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		<title>By: HuggyBunny</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149766</link>
		<dc:creator>HuggyBunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, a glowing green recyclable bin will be easy to find and keep us warm these cold nights in Brisbane. Good thinking.

On the report; I really liked this bit:
&quot;Although not yet proven, it is widely believed and
accepted that natural attenuation will result in the contaminated water chemistry returning to pre-
mining conditions within a timeframe of over several years to decades.&quot;
FFS Widely believed by whom? &quot;several years to decades&quot;????
Thos coots are totally insane.
Huggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, a glowing green recyclable bin will be easy to find and keep us warm these cold nights in Brisbane. Good thinking.</p>
<p>On the report; I really liked this bit:<br />
&#8220;Although not yet proven, it is widely believed and<br />
accepted that natural attenuation will result in the contaminated water chemistry returning to pre-<br />
mining conditions within a timeframe of over several years to decades.&#8221;<br />
FFS Widely believed by whom? &#8220;several years to decades&#8221;????<br />
Thos coots are totally insane.<br />
Huggy</p>
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		<title>By: AdamTucker</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149765</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamTucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garrett is a fabulous minister. He is doing great things for rock musicians, and enjoying all his arts activities - he is attending many more openings than a year ago, so is truly lifting his game. He will get around to other matters all in good time. Remember, he is Kevin Rudd&#039;s conduit to a whole lot of celebrities (perhaps his primary role)  so he is in VERY good odour with Faulks&#039;s  Maaaaaate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garrett is a fabulous minister. He is doing great things for rock musicians, and enjoying all his arts activities &#8211; he is attending many more openings than a year ago, so is truly lifting his game. He will get around to other matters all in good time. Remember, he is Kevin Rudd&#8217;s conduit to a whole lot of celebrities (perhaps his primary role)  so he is in VERY good odour with Faulks&#8217;s  Maaaaaate.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149764</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huggy: I like the sound of these little green reactors...just right for running the chairlift. Presumably there will be a subsidy made available for us to get one put in. Will we be able to put the spent fule in the recyclables bin to get picked up on Thursdays? That&#039;d be nice and tidy.

For the good oil on the fate of the bad water of the (geothermal) renewable energy sink that will be the beverley mine, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epa.sa.gov.au/pdfs/isl_review.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&#039;s &lt;/a&gt; the Rann govt&#039;s EPA review that i guess was enough to convince Garrett it was reasonably probably safe to give it a tick.
It sounds like the nasty acidic radioactive water will be pumped back into a layer that&#039;s got stock water above, and the GAB below. If the phrase &quot;not reasonably probable&quot; is meant to sound reassuringly and rigorously scientific, it doesn&#039;t work for me.

Today&#039;s new word: aquitard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huggy: I like the sound of these little green reactors&#8230;just right for running the chairlift. Presumably there will be a subsidy made available for us to get one put in. Will we be able to put the spent fule in the recyclables bin to get picked up on Thursdays? That&#8217;d be nice and tidy.</p>
<p>For the good oil on the fate of the bad water of the (geothermal) renewable energy sink that will be the beverley mine, <a href="http://www.epa.sa.gov.au/pdfs/isl_review.pdf" rel="nofollow"> here&#8217;s </a> the Rann govt&#8217;s EPA review that i guess was enough to convince Garrett it was reasonably probably safe to give it a tick.<br />
It sounds like the nasty acidic radioactive water will be pumped back into a layer that&#8217;s got stock water above, and the GAB below. If the phrase &#8220;not reasonably probable&#8221; is meant to sound reassuringly and rigorously scientific, it doesn&#8217;t work for me.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s new word: aquitard.</p>
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		<title>By: HuggyBunny</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149763</link>
		<dc:creator>HuggyBunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, would this be the type of mining operation that feeds the nice little benign green coloured reactors that arrive on the back of a truck for the green power so beloved of some LP denizens?
I think most of these leach mines use sodium carbonate (not sulphuric acid) and I must confess that I was unaware of the extent of this mining technique, thanks for bringing it to attention.
The 30 MW of geothermal is the energy equivalent to 240MW of PV, roughly.
I am really shocked. I know that a drilling program under an old fuel store in SA found significant traces of fuel oil going down over 1 km and this was only from a small slow leak and was entirely unanticipated.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_storage_tank
Surely no responsible minister would risk losing part or all of the great artesian basin to a radioactive plume emanating from this insane scheme?
Huggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, would this be the type of mining operation that feeds the nice little benign green coloured reactors that arrive on the back of a truck for the green power so beloved of some LP denizens?<br />
I think most of these leach mines use sodium carbonate (not sulphuric acid) and I must confess that I was unaware of the extent of this mining technique, thanks for bringing it to attention.<br />
The 30 MW of geothermal is the energy equivalent to 240MW of PV, roughly.<br />
I am really shocked. I know that a drilling program under an old fuel store in SA found significant traces of fuel oil going down over 1 km and this was only from a small slow leak and was entirely unanticipated.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_storage_tank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_storage_tank</a><br />
Surely no responsible minister would risk losing part or all of the great artesian basin to a radioactive plume emanating from this insane scheme?<br />
Huggy</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Huggy, I think “greens” (rather than Greens) covers a very wide range of diverse subcategories linked loosely together. &lt;/i&gt;
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True. A lot of green people are politically conservative, or part of the non-socialist left. Or othersie apolitical. Or anti-political even,.
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The Greens itself has a certain diversity which I&#039;d like to know more about.
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Perhaps Paul Norton, who likes waxing lyrical about the myriad ebbs and streams of the Left will oblige me sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Huggy, I think “greens” (rather than Greens) covers a very wide range of diverse subcategories linked loosely together. </i><br />
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True. A lot of green people are politically conservative, or part of the non-socialist left. Or othersie apolitical. Or anti-political even,.<br />
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The Greens itself has a certain diversity which I&#8217;d like to know more about.<br />
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Perhaps Paul Norton, who likes waxing lyrical about the myriad ebbs and streams of the Left will oblige me sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wait until people work out what BHP Billiton is really going to do at Olympic Dam&quot;... and wait until they twig about how a large swagload of Mar&#039;n&#039;s $450 million of the the renewable energy demonstration projects grant funding largesse will go to providing electricity to South Australia&#039;s Beverly and Olympic Dam uranium mining operations:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Petratherm geothermal aims to initially provide electricity to the local growing needs of the Beverley Uranium Mine, from around 7.5 MW building to 30 MW – and then to expand to around 520 MW and supplying the Australina National Electrcity Market, via two entry points, namely, Port Augusta and Olympic Dam&quot;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Any bets which one, the town or the gigantic mine, that gets connected first?
And what a filthy operation Garrett OK&#039;d in giving Beverley the nod: &lt;blockquote&gt;Thirty years after his first anti-uranium benefit gig at Sydney Town Hall, Environment Minister Peter Garret approved the expansion of the Beverley Uranium mine in South Australia...Large quantities of sulphuric acid are pumped directly into the underground water aquifer to make the uranium soluble. The solution is returned to the surface, the uranium is removed for processing and the remains are pumped back into the water table... highly acidic and radioactive as radionuclides and other heavy metals, once dormant in sand granules, are mobilised.... Acid in-situ leaching is a technique not used anywhere in the OECD due to its shocking record of groundwater contamination, and will ultimately result in turning the Beverley aquifer into a liquid radioactive waste dump. To extract a tonne of yellowcake here takes 18 tonnes of sulphuric acid and a tonne of hydrogen peroxide, not to mention the extreme cost of water.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh yes...the beverley aquifer sits on top of the great artesian basin.
Onya Pete, looking after the party&#039;s South Australian electoral chances like a genuine troglodyte good ole boy party faithful:
&quot;Mr Rann will tell China’s mining leaders that South Australia has 50 percent of the world’s known uranium resources... said China’s decision to massively expand its nuclear power program means South Australia is in ‘pole position’ for uranium exports. “In addition to the giant Olympic Dam uranium resource, we have a range of new uranium mines being developed and proposed, plus 81 uranium exploration licences now issued in South Australia. Overturning the Australian Labor Party’s national ‘no new mines’ uranium policy means the brakes are off and South Australia is way ahead of other States&quot;
It&#039;s not like SA has no other economic base that&#039;s it&#039;s beholden to the uranium industry... hell, there&#039;s Coopers, and lotsa prestige plonks and ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wait until people work out what BHP Billiton is really going to do at Olympic Dam&#8221;&#8230; and wait until they twig about how a large swagload of Mar&#8217;n's $450 million of the the renewable energy demonstration projects grant funding largesse will go to providing electricity to South Australia&#8217;s Beverly and Olympic Dam uranium mining operations:</p>
<blockquote><p>Petratherm geothermal aims to initially provide electricity to the local growing needs of the Beverley Uranium Mine, from around 7.5 MW building to 30 MW – and then to expand to around 520 MW and supplying the Australina National Electrcity Market, via two entry points, namely, Port Augusta and Olympic Dam&#8221;. </p></blockquote>
<p>Any bets which one, the town or the gigantic mine, that gets connected first?<br />
And what a filthy operation Garrett OK&#8217;d in giving Beverley the nod:<br />
<blockquote>Thirty years after his first anti-uranium benefit gig at Sydney Town Hall, Environment Minister Peter Garret approved the expansion of the Beverley Uranium mine in South Australia&#8230;Large quantities of sulphuric acid are pumped directly into the underground water aquifer to make the uranium soluble. The solution is returned to the surface, the uranium is removed for processing and the remains are pumped back into the water table&#8230; highly acidic and radioactive as radionuclides and other heavy metals, once dormant in sand granules, are mobilised&#8230;. Acid in-situ leaching is a technique not used anywhere in the OECD due to its shocking record of groundwater contamination, and will ultimately result in turning the Beverley aquifer into a liquid radioactive waste dump. To extract a tonne of yellowcake here takes 18 tonnes of sulphuric acid and a tonne of hydrogen peroxide, not to mention the extreme cost of water.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yes&#8230;the beverley aquifer sits on top of the great artesian basin.<br />
Onya Pete, looking after the party&#8217;s South Australian electoral chances like a genuine troglodyte good ole boy party faithful:<br />
&#8220;Mr Rann will tell China’s mining leaders that South Australia has 50 percent of the world’s known uranium resources&#8230; said China’s decision to massively expand its nuclear power program means South Australia is in ‘pole position’ for uranium exports. “In addition to the giant Olympic Dam uranium resource, we have a range of new uranium mines being developed and proposed, plus 81 uranium exploration licences now issued in South Australia. Overturning the Australian Labor Party’s national ‘no new mines’ uranium policy means the brakes are off and South Australia is way ahead of other States&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s not like SA has no other economic base that&#8217;s it&#8217;s beholden to the uranium industry&#8230; hell, there&#8217;s Coopers, and lotsa prestige plonks and &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149760</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Brumby’s Victorian Labor government has ticked off on another coal fired power plant&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t think anyone could be so stupid, but coming to think of it Bligh is likely to do the same, or maybe just gas.

Oh yes, and wait until people work out what BHP Billiton is really going to do at Olympic Dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Brumby’s Victorian Labor government has ticked off on another coal fired power plant</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think anyone could be so stupid, but coming to think of it Bligh is likely to do the same, or maybe just gas.</p>
<p>Oh yes, and wait until people work out what BHP Billiton is really going to do at Olympic Dam.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/garrett-guillotines-solar-scheme/#comment-149759</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget, Brumby&#039;s Victorian Labor government has ticked off on another coal fired power plant (pretending it will be &quot;clean&quot;), to power the huge desalination plant that Garrett and Wong have also ticked off on, even though massive greenhouse gas emissions increases will result.

Hmmn.  Tell me again when emissions are supposed to start going down? They just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget, Brumby&#8217;s Victorian Labor government has ticked off on another coal fired power plant (pretending it will be &#8220;clean&#8221;), to power the huge desalination plant that Garrett and Wong have also ticked off on, even though massive greenhouse gas emissions increases will result.</p>
<p>Hmmn.  Tell me again when emissions are supposed to start going down? They just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame teh greens for Garrett killing the solar rebate. As Joe Hockey would say, &quot;yeah, right!&quot;.

Like Helen said, we need a mix of renewable energy (and low emissions such as geothermal) solutions.

Garrett killed the solar scheme because it was too successful.  They need to keep cash handy to pony up the $18b in free permits for the poor fossil fuel industries that so desperately need Corporate Welfare funded by us the taxpayers.

Still waiting for Garrett to do something notable, but I suspect I will be waiting in vain.  This more clear evidence that &quot;politics us usual&quot; won&#039;t solve climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame teh greens for Garrett killing the solar rebate. As Joe Hockey would say, &#8220;yeah, right!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Like Helen said, we need a mix of renewable energy (and low emissions such as geothermal) solutions.</p>
<p>Garrett killed the solar scheme because it was too successful.  They need to keep cash handy to pony up the $18b in free permits for the poor fossil fuel industries that so desperately need Corporate Welfare funded by us the taxpayers.</p>
<p>Still waiting for Garrett to do something notable, but I suspect I will be waiting in vain.  This more clear evidence that &#8220;politics us usual&#8221; won&#8217;t solve climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“rooftop solar will solve all our energy problems”&lt;/i&gt;

What about &quot;rooftop solar, in conjuntion with a whole grab-bag of other renewable power generation measures, improved building and design, and a culture of energy conservation, can play a role in solving our energy problems&quot;? Must we always deal in these false dichotomies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“rooftop solar will solve all our energy problems”</i></p>
<p>What about &#8220;rooftop solar, in conjuntion with a whole grab-bag of other renewable power generation measures, improved building and design, and a culture of energy conservation, can play a role in solving our energy problems&#8221;? Must we always deal in these false dichotomies?</p>
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