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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149817</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Carbonsink@50.

It is worth remembering that the pressure on ANZ, by vocal clients, changed their attitude to involvement in Gunn&#039;s business. A number of phonecalls or emails to a super fund, asking if they invest in that environmentally unfriendly company, might similarly do the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Carbonsink@50.</p>
<p>It is worth remembering that the pressure on ANZ, by vocal clients, changed their attitude to involvement in Gunn&#8217;s business. A number of phonecalls or emails to a super fund, asking if they invest in that environmentally unfriendly company, might similarly do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: carbonsink</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149816</link>
		<dc:creator>carbonsink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, if you have superannuation there is a fair chance that you have a beneficial interest in Gunn’s. Sadly for most investing institutions ethics is someone else’s department.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Most super funds give you plenty of choice about where your funds are invested, down to individual stock picking.  If you don&#039;t like (or don&#039;t know) where the standard balanced fund is invested, then change it.  It can be done online, and is executed within 24 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Finally, if you have superannuation there is a fair chance that you have a beneficial interest in Gunn’s. Sadly for most investing institutions ethics is someone else’s department.</p></blockquote>
<p>Most super funds give you plenty of choice about where your funds are invested, down to individual stock picking.  If you don&#8217;t like (or don&#8217;t know) where the standard balanced fund is invested, then change it.  It can be done online, and is executed within 24 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad C Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149815</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad C Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  A change is coming I think.  Word down here is that the rank and file CFMEU workers are starting to wake up.  Nothing in public as yet but I&#039;ve had a couple of interesting conversations with CFMEU members - not those on the &#039;inside&#039; -  that would worry Scott Mclean if he&#039;d been there. Interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  A change is coming I think.  Word down here is that the rank and file CFMEU workers are starting to wake up.  Nothing in public as yet but I&#8217;ve had a couple of interesting conversations with CFMEU members &#8211; not those on the &#8216;inside&#8217; &#8211;  that would worry Scott Mclean if he&#8217;d been there. Interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149814</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He didn&#039;t need the money after all. The public came through, which just goes to show the huge amount of support of BB, and the environment, out there in the &quot;silent majority&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn&#8217;t need the money after all. The public came through, which just goes to show the huge amount of support of BB, and the environment, out there in the &#8220;silent majority&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mehitabel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149813</link>
		<dc:creator>mehitabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As pointed out above, the laws barring bankrupts from Parliament are because of the POTENTIAL for undue pressure to be exercised on the politician concerned.

Thus the concern with BB being bailed out by any one is the POTENTIAL for influence in subsequent decisions.

It doesn&#039;t matter (ethically) what Dick Smith has said in the past or is saying now, it&#039;s the fact that sometime down the track he might get into deep doodoos and say to BB &#039;well, when you were in trouble, I helped you...&quot;

The law doesn&#039;t say &#039;a bankrupt can serve in Parliament as long as he is recognised to have complete integrity&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As pointed out above, the laws barring bankrupts from Parliament are because of the POTENTIAL for undue pressure to be exercised on the politician concerned.</p>
<p>Thus the concern with BB being bailed out by any one is the POTENTIAL for influence in subsequent decisions.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter (ethically) what Dick Smith has said in the past or is saying now, it&#8217;s the fact that sometime down the track he might get into deep doodoos and say to BB &#8216;well, when you were in trouble, I helped you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The law doesn&#8217;t say &#8216;a bankrupt can serve in Parliament as long as he is recognised to have complete integrity&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Baraholka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149812</link>
		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill @45

The donations from &#039;business figures&#039; to politicians designed to purchase influence for private gain are the ones that Brown rightfully draws attention to.

The donation from Dick Smith to Brown is not designed to procure influence over Brown or favour for Smith&#039;s business interests. Brown is therefore not a hypocrite on this matter.

Smith&#039;s motivation is to protect Parliamentarians in their role of raising matters of genuine public concern.

From the article linked in the original post:

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Mr Smith said he was not prepared to see an elected parliamentarian turfed from office because of an unpaid bill arising from a case motivated by a &quot;genuine&quot; concern. &quot;Even though I&#039;m a capitalist, I think he does have an important role in parliament,&quot; Mr Smith said.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lefty @9

Howard&#039;s actions in this matter are typically sordid, abusing the law for partisan purpose as in the waterfront affair and, vomitously, the &#039;Australians For Honest Politics&#039; sleaze fund (leg work done by Tony Abbott) to destroy Pauline Hanson. That reprehensible man, Howard, has thus abused the law twice (Hanson and Brown) as a vehicle to attack his personal political foes.

This country is a far better place without Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill @45</p>
<p>The donations from &#8216;business figures&#8217; to politicians designed to purchase influence for private gain are the ones that Brown rightfully draws attention to.</p>
<p>The donation from Dick Smith to Brown is not designed to procure influence over Brown or favour for Smith&#8217;s business interests. Brown is therefore not a hypocrite on this matter.</p>
<p>Smith&#8217;s motivation is to protect Parliamentarians in their role of raising matters of genuine public concern.</p>
<p>From the article linked in the original post:</p>
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Mr Smith said he was not prepared to see an elected parliamentarian turfed from office because of an unpaid bill arising from a case motivated by a &#8220;genuine&#8221; concern. &#8220;Even though I&#8217;m a capitalist, I think he does have an important role in parliament,&#8221; Mr Smith said.
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<p>Lefty @9</p>
<p>Howard&#8217;s actions in this matter are typically sordid, abusing the law for partisan purpose as in the waterfront affair and, vomitously, the &#8216;Australians For Honest Politics&#8217; sleaze fund (leg work done by Tony Abbott) to destroy Pauline Hanson. That reprehensible man, Howard, has thus abused the law twice (Hanson and Brown) as a vehicle to attack his personal political foes.</p>
<p>This country is a far better place without Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Brown has spent a good bit of his time in parliament complaining about financial donations (especially from business figures), to political parties and to individual politicians. Then he puts the cap out to Dick Smith for $240K for his legal fees.

 He is a thorough hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Brown has spent a good bit of his time in parliament complaining about financial donations (especially from business figures), to political parties and to individual politicians. Then he puts the cap out to Dick Smith for $240K for his legal fees.</p>
<p> He is a thorough hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: weez</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149810</link>
		<dc:creator>weez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulus said:



&lt;blockquote&gt;And people were telling me on the Queensland privatisation threads how wonderful it is to have such enterprises owned by the Government, because then they are subject to democratic control and can be made to behave ethically …
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How naïve can you get?

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

-Benito Mussolini&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulus said:</p>
<blockquote><p>And people were telling me on the Queensland privatisation threads how wonderful it is to have such enterprises owned by the Government, because then they are subject to democratic control and can be made to behave ethically …
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<p>How naïve can you get?</p>
<blockquote><p>“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”</p>
<p>-Benito Mussolini</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sg</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149809</link>
		<dc:creator>sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to see how libertarians really feel about the central plank of their vision for a better society. Freed from govt intervention, we&#039;re supposed to use strong courts to protect our interests. But if a lefty should happen to do it and fail well that&#039;s too bad. And apparently you shouldn&#039;t use the courts to defend yourself if you don&#039;t have the money to bear the risk.

I wonder where this leaves all those people earning below minimum wage in the libertard &quot;utopia&quot; when their employer starts jerking them around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see how libertarians really feel about the central plank of their vision for a better society. Freed from govt intervention, we&#8217;re supposed to use strong courts to protect our interests. But if a lefty should happen to do it and fail well that&#8217;s too bad. And apparently you shouldn&#8217;t use the courts to defend yourself if you don&#8217;t have the money to bear the risk.</p>
<p>I wonder where this leaves all those people earning below minimum wage in the libertard &#8220;utopia&#8221; when their employer starts jerking them around?</p>
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		<title>By: epicene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/10/white-knight-saves-bob-brown/#comment-149808</link>
		<dc:creator>epicene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity no White Knight has come over the hill to fund the final appeal of the Customs whistleblower retiree sent broke by four years of legalities, first by the Rodent now by Krudd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity no White Knight has come over the hill to fund the final appeal of the Customs whistleblower retiree sent broke by four years of legalities, first by the Rodent now by Krudd.</p>
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