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		<title>By: Pterosaur</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/13/iran-election-open-thread/#comment-150299</link>
		<dc:creator>Pterosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the internal pressures inside Iran

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090629_real_struggle_iran_and_implications_u_s_dialogue&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Stratfor &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the internal pressures inside Iran</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090629_real_struggle_iran_and_implications_u_s_dialogue" rel="nofollow"> Stratfor </a></p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/13/iran-election-open-thread/#comment-150298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times reports a &quot;split&quot; in the religious &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/world/middleeast/05iran.html?_r=1&amp;th&amp;emc=th&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leadership&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times reports a &#8220;split&#8221; in the religious <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/world/middleeast/05iran.html?_r=1&amp;th&amp;emc=th" rel="nofollow">leadership</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/13/iran-election-open-thread/#comment-150297</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And another few years of dickhead isn’t worth getting your head blown off for, is it? &lt;/i&gt;
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Dickhead? Dick. Head. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackagendareport.com/images/stories/103/FRahmadinejad.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dumb&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/70/Bush_pointing_finger.jpg/275px-Bush_pointing_finger.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dumber&lt;/a&gt;?
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I&#039;ve said it before. They could be brothers. They&#039;re a new breed. They&#039;re breeding them.
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Not here in Australia. Here we don&#039;t hire the MEGA DH MAX 1123 model. We use the Round-Faced Dork robot instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And another few years of dickhead isn’t worth getting your head blown off for, is it? </i><br />
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Dickhead? Dick. Head. <a href="http://www.blackagendareport.com/images/stories/103/FRahmadinejad.jpg" rel="nofollow">Dumb</a> and <a href="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/70/Bush_pointing_finger.jpg/275px-Bush_pointing_finger.jpg" rel="nofollow">dumber</a>?<br />
.<br />
I&#8217;ve said it before. They could be brothers. They&#8217;re a new breed. They&#8217;re breeding them.<br />
.<br />
Not here in Australia. Here we don&#8217;t hire the MEGA DH MAX 1123 model. We use the Round-Faced Dork robot instead.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thewetmale, thanks, but the guardian piece is sorta aimed at people who have no idea in the first place.

well FP dude was right. From the NYT:

&lt;blockquote&gt; State television also reported that the government had arrested five members of the family of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former president who heads two influential councils in Iran, a move that escalates the government’s crackdown against the reform movement.

The televison report identified two of those arrested as Mr. Rafsanjani’s daughter, Faezeh Hashemi, as well as her own daughter. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Moussavi isn&#039;t backing down or taking supporters off the streets for a while, just the opposite. Faarrk.

&lt;blockquote&gt; The opposition leader, Mir Hussein Moussavi, appeared at a demonstration in southern Tehran and called for a general strike if he were to be arrested. “I am ready for martyrdom,” he told supporters. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thewetmale, thanks, but the guardian piece is sorta aimed at people who have no idea in the first place.</p>
<p>well FP dude was right. From the NYT:</p>
<blockquote><p> State television also reported that the government had arrested five members of the family of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former president who heads two influential councils in Iran, a move that escalates the government’s crackdown against the reform movement.</p>
<p>The televison report identified two of those arrested as Mr. Rafsanjani’s daughter, Faezeh Hashemi, as well as her own daughter. </p></blockquote>
<p>And Moussavi isn&#8217;t backing down or taking supporters off the streets for a while, just the opposite. Faarrk.</p>
<blockquote><p> The opposition leader, Mir Hussein Moussavi, appeared at a demonstration in southern Tehran and called for a general strike if he were to be arrested. “I am ready for martyrdom,” he told supporters. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: thewetmale</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/colvinius&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Colvin&lt;/a&gt; on twitter, this is worth a read to understand some of the broader context:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/21/peter-beaumont-iran-crisis-ahmadinejad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via <a href="http://twitter.com/colvinius" rel="nofollow">Mark Colvin</a> on twitter, this is worth a read to understand some of the broader context:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/21/peter-beaumont-iran-crisis-ahmadinejad" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/21/peter-beaumont-iran-crisis-ahmadinejad</a></p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t sound good Ambi at all, in terms of the crackdown...

Bastards.

&#039;One big happy family&#039; lasted half a day until Friday&#039;s prayers as per Brian&#039;s post @ 97. Now hundreds injured, possibly scores dead and what next? It&#039;s a high stakes game. The announcements from the regime are not subtle - the Tehran Times:

&lt;em&gt; Deputy police chief Ahmadreza Radan announced on Saturday that security forces will deal sternly with illegal gatherings.

Supporters of defeated candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi have been holding protest rallies since June 13.

Radan said daily rallies have robbed people of a calm life and police have so far received 10,000 complaints. During such illegal gatherings “a number of opportunists” have created chaos across the society, he noted.

“At a request of people and based on law from today (Saturday) police will deal forcefully with any illegal and unauthorized gatherings,” he told reporters.

He warned that those who encourage people to take to the streets will be “arrested” and “prosecuted”. He also said that those who ask people to attend rallies will be held “accountable” for consequences. &lt;/em&gt;

some thoughts from a dude at &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/06/19/iran_analyst_is_mousavi_willing_to_risk_slaughter_in_the_streets&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FP Foreign Policy:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; Q. In light of Khamenei&#039;s firm speech Friday indicating he was not going to support a new election, what do you think will happen? Do you think the opposition will have to retreat?

First, it was expected that Khamenei&#039;s first response would be very firm, that&#039;s his modus operandi as a despot: Never compromise in the face of pressure, it only projects weakness and invites more pressure.

Khamenei is [a] shrewder politician than Ahmadinjedad. Whereas Ahmadinejad has a penchant for alienating even hardliners, Khamenei reached out and for now seemingly co-opted some of those that seemed to be previously be sitting on the fence, namely Speaker of the [P]arliament Ali Larijani and Mohsen Rezai, both of whom are tremendous opportunists.

The weight of the world now rests on the shoulders of Mir Hossein Mousavi. I expect that Khamenei&#039;s people have privately sent signals to him that they&#039;re ready for a bloodbath, they&#039;re prepared to use overwhelming force to crush this, and is he willing to lead the people in the streets to slaughter?

Mousavi is not Khomeini, and Khamenei is not the Shah. Meaning, Khomeini would not hesitate to lead his followers to &quot;martyrdom&quot;, and the Shah did not have the stomach for mass bloodshed. This time the religious zealots are the ones holding power.

The anger and the rage and sense of injustice people feel will not subside anytime soon, but if Mousavi concedes defeat he will demoralize millions of people. At the moment the demonstrations really have no other leadership. It&#039;s become a symbiotic relationship, Mousavi feeds off people&#039;s support, and the popular support allows Mousavi the political capital to remain defiant. So Mousavi truly has some agonizing decisions to make.

Rafsanjani&#039;s role also remains critical. Can he co-opt disaffected revolutionary elites to undermine Khamenei? As Khamenei said, they&#039;ve known each other for 52 years, when they were young apostles of Ayatollah Khomeini. I expect that Khamenei&#039;s people have told Rafsanjani that if he continues to agitate against Khamenei behind the scenes, he and his family will be either imprisoned or killed, and that the people of Iran are unlikely to weep for the corrupt Rafsanjani family.

Whatever happens, and I know I shouldn&#039;t be saying this as an analyst, but my eyes well when I think of the tremendous bravery and fortitude of the Iranian people. They deserve a much better regime than the one they have. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound good Ambi at all, in terms of the crackdown&#8230;</p>
<p>Bastards.</p>
<p>&#8216;One big happy family&#8217; lasted half a day until Friday&#8217;s prayers as per Brian&#8217;s post @ 97. Now hundreds injured, possibly scores dead and what next? It&#8217;s a high stakes game. The announcements from the regime are not subtle &#8211; the Tehran Times:</p>
<p><em> Deputy police chief Ahmadreza Radan announced on Saturday that security forces will deal sternly with illegal gatherings.</p>
<p>Supporters of defeated candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi have been holding protest rallies since June 13.</p>
<p>Radan said daily rallies have robbed people of a calm life and police have so far received 10,000 complaints. During such illegal gatherings “a number of opportunists” have created chaos across the society, he noted.</p>
<p>“At a request of people and based on law from today (Saturday) police will deal forcefully with any illegal and unauthorized gatherings,” he told reporters.</p>
<p>He warned that those who encourage people to take to the streets will be “arrested” and “prosecuted”. He also said that those who ask people to attend rallies will be held “accountable” for consequences. </em></p>
<p>some thoughts from a dude at <a href="http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/06/19/iran_analyst_is_mousavi_willing_to_risk_slaughter_in_the_streets" rel="nofollow">FP Foreign Policy:</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Q. In light of Khamenei&#8217;s firm speech Friday indicating he was not going to support a new election, what do you think will happen? Do you think the opposition will have to retreat?</p>
<p>First, it was expected that Khamenei&#8217;s first response would be very firm, that&#8217;s his modus operandi as a despot: Never compromise in the face of pressure, it only projects weakness and invites more pressure.</p>
<p>Khamenei is [a] shrewder politician than Ahmadinjedad. Whereas Ahmadinejad has a penchant for alienating even hardliners, Khamenei reached out and for now seemingly co-opted some of those that seemed to be previously be sitting on the fence, namely Speaker of the [P]arliament Ali Larijani and Mohsen Rezai, both of whom are tremendous opportunists.</p>
<p>The weight of the world now rests on the shoulders of Mir Hossein Mousavi. I expect that Khamenei&#8217;s people have privately sent signals to him that they&#8217;re ready for a bloodbath, they&#8217;re prepared to use overwhelming force to crush this, and is he willing to lead the people in the streets to slaughter?</p>
<p>Mousavi is not Khomeini, and Khamenei is not the Shah. Meaning, Khomeini would not hesitate to lead his followers to &#8220;martyrdom&#8221;, and the Shah did not have the stomach for mass bloodshed. This time the religious zealots are the ones holding power.</p>
<p>The anger and the rage and sense of injustice people feel will not subside anytime soon, but if Mousavi concedes defeat he will demoralize millions of people. At the moment the demonstrations really have no other leadership. It&#8217;s become a symbiotic relationship, Mousavi feeds off people&#8217;s support, and the popular support allows Mousavi the political capital to remain defiant. So Mousavi truly has some agonizing decisions to make.</p>
<p>Rafsanjani&#8217;s role also remains critical. Can he co-opt disaffected revolutionary elites to undermine Khamenei? As Khamenei said, they&#8217;ve known each other for 52 years, when they were young apostles of Ayatollah Khomeini. I expect that Khamenei&#8217;s people have told Rafsanjani that if he continues to agitate against Khamenei behind the scenes, he and his family will be either imprisoned or killed, and that the people of Iran are unlikely to weep for the corrupt Rafsanjani family.</p>
<p>Whatever happens, and I know I shouldn&#8217;t be saying this as an analyst, but my eyes well when I think of the tremendous bravery and fortitude of the Iranian people. They deserve a much better regime than the one they have. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting footage on tonight&#039;s ABC-TV news from a BBC journalist. Large crowds, seemed calm. Stone-banging, shouting, some stone-throwing. Evidently the threats didn&#039;t keep thousands off the streets.

Other footage showed tear gas being thrown at crowds &amp; some shooting (?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting footage on tonight&#8217;s ABC-TV news from a BBC journalist. Large crowds, seemed calm. Stone-banging, shouting, some stone-throwing. Evidently the threats didn&#8217;t keep thousands off the streets.</p>
<p>Other footage showed tear gas being thrown at crowds &amp; some shooting (?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If demonstrators defy his wishes in large numbers, the limb may wither on the tree without a saw being applied. Let&#039;s hope he bullets don&#039;t fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If demonstrators defy his wishes in large numbers, the limb may wither on the tree without a saw being applied. Let&#8217;s hope he bullets don&#8217;t fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khamenei came out hard in favour of the regime and declared the election fair, just ahead of the official inquiry commencing.

The demos had to stop, he said, otherwise there would be bloodshed and the demonstrators would be to blame for getting themselves shot.

Sounds like he&#039;s right out on a limb. The question is can anyone (Rafsanjani?) saw it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khamenei came out hard in favour of the regime and declared the election fair, just ahead of the official inquiry commencing.</p>
<p>The demos had to stop, he said, otherwise there would be bloodshed and the demonstrators would be to blame for getting themselves shot.</p>
<p>Sounds like he&#8217;s right out on a limb. The question is can anyone (Rafsanjani?) saw it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On PM tonight &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2603447.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Khamenei was about to speak&lt;/a&gt; the inquiry into the election is about to begin and allegations that the militia are engaging in indiscriminate violence.

Also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2603456.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an Iranian filmmaker based in Australia&lt;/a&gt; tells of her experience of the marches. Bigger than 1979, for starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On PM tonight <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2603447.htm" rel="nofollow">Khamenei was about to speak</a> the inquiry into the election is about to begin and allegations that the militia are engaging in indiscriminate violence.</p>
<p>Also <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2603456.htm" rel="nofollow">an Iranian filmmaker based in Australia</a> tells of her experience of the marches. Bigger than 1979, for starters.</p>
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