Sand in your shorts?

Ok, I’ll bite.

Christian Kerr.

There are the group blogs that cover politics, economics and provide platforms for protagonists in the culture wars; Club Troppo, probably the best and most balanced of them all, Catallaxy for the libertarian right and Larvatus Prodeo, not just for the latte left but rather a stronghold of the fair-trade, rainforest alliance-certified, decaff and soy brigade. Then there are all the one-man bands.

So, here’s the thing Christian, the web is a big place, enough for a number of points of view, everyone develops their own audience, culture (I know you’d like to reach for your revolver at this point) and style.

At LP we like nothing better than a nice fair trade latte while we chase those who disagree over a cliff, at the Oz you’ve never see a global warming denialist idea you haven’t liked.

Ain’t diversity grand? Or is it that you’d prefer it to be like the bad old days when you had the megaphone all to yourself?

Update [by Mark]: The anti-analysts analysed.

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93 Responses to “Sand in your shorts?”


  1. 1 furious balancingNo Gravatar

    Both decaf and non-dairy milk substitutes are abominations. I had no idea I was sharing conversation with people who found merit in either of those things. I feel cheapened by the thought of it.

  2. 2 patrickgNo Gravatar

    Shocking it may be, Christian, but many bloggers don’t view their work as “platform” in your redundant, one-sided, hopelessly outmoded and fantastical “culture wars”.

    Phil, I don’t know whether to admire or pity you for regularly eye-raping yourself by reading Kerr’s drooling, demented scat.

    This said, I have long wondered what the difference was between latte left, and the other beatnik options at the boutique political coffee bar.

    I’m a chai-mocha affogato with a shot of gooseberry syrup!

  3. 3 OzymandiasNo Gravatar

    Is Christian Kerr the best the Oz could come up with to replace Matt Price? He has half Matt’s insight and none of his wit.

  4. 4 KatzNo Gravatar

    In this environment there is not only no room for news, but no tolerance of new ideas.

    Dear Christian,

    Please provide an example of your new ideas.

    Sincerely,

    ….

  5. 5 Eat The RichNo Gravatar

    I’ve just been verballed by a News Limited Slut! I stopped listening to LNL as I had to endure this overpayed, pompous, nasal toned twat.

    And anyway Laura and Annabelle are much better than you. So nerny, ner, ner.

  6. 6 Paul BurnsNo Gravatar

    I NEVER drink decaff, Christian or soy substitutes, unless I’m tricked into it by my hippy friends. So I like rainforests. Tough! And when I first started drinking Latte (which I rarely do) it was called Spanish Coffee and you could only get it at the Piccolo Bar at King’s Cross.And that, mate, was years before you were born. I also prefer dry cask Reisling to Chardonay. The only fancy thing I drink apart from half and half cider and stout is Cooper’s beer, and that’s because it gets me pissed quicker.(Blame the South Australians I met at UNE.) What’s more, my political beliefs were shaped by Communists and anarchists amongst whom I gloriously fell at an early age, when I was seeking an appropriate substitute for bog-Irish Australian Catholicism. Again, long before you were born.

  7. 7 Pavlov's CatNo Gravatar

    I see that writing op eds without actually doing any reading continues to pass as a fashion statement. Given that I write book reviews for most of my living, I really ought to adopt this technique. Think of the time it would save.

  8. 8 TimNo Gravatar

    I’ve often wondered what sort of coffee is deemed politically favourable by the punditry. Nescafe Blend 43?

  9. 9 FDBNo Gravatar

    “I’ve often wondered what sort of coffee is deemed politically favourable by the punditry.”

    Tea. Bex, lie down optional.

  10. 10 David Irving (no relation)No Gravatar

    Ah, Christian, it must be nice to have all your certainties intact, and to be able to blithely stereotype people without a moment’s thought. (What is it with the Right and stereotypes?).

    Unfortunately for you, I dislike white coffee and rarely drink white wine: I prefer to drink ferociously strong black coffee, beer, cheap red wine, and gin-and-tonic. Stereotype that!

  11. 11 Tobias ZieglerNo Gravatar

    My two cents. And for those two cents I’ll take a flat white, thanks.

  12. 12 AndosNo Gravatar

    What makes lattes in general, let alone soy milk or decaffinated coffee, something that people of a left-leaning ideology would drink? Is Kerr having a go at lactose intolerant people?

    Doesn’t Maccas use Rainforest Alliance certified coffee? Does he think everyone that drinks coffee from a McCafe subscribes to a left-leaning ideology?

    Isn’t this column (Kerr’s) just a breath-taking act of rank hipocrisy?

  13. 13 patrickgNo Gravatar

    I’ve often wondered what sort of coffee is deemed politically favourable by the punditry.

    Definitely not International Roast, that’s socialism by any other name!!

    I suspect real pundits don’t drink coffee, they just chew the grounds.

  14. 14 dannyNo Gravatar

    On an even lighter note, Tip’s toeing off

  15. 15 DaphonNo Gravatar

    And Rupert’s talking about charging people to read pap like this online? LOL

  16. 16 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Johnie, it was you. Remember that night you came down to my office and you said, “Kid, this ain’t your election. I’m going for the price on Rudd.” You remember that? “This ain’t your election”! My election! I coulda taken Rudd apart! So what happens? He gets the Lodge and what do I get? A one-way ticket to Palooka-ville! You was my idol, Johnie, you shoulda looked out for me a little bit. You shoulda taken care of me just a little bit so I wouldn’t have to take them dives for the short-end money.

    I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it. It was you, Johnie.

  17. 17 OzNo Gravatar

    The problem with Kerr’s article is the assumption that journalists these days go out investigating and break stories on their own.

    The vast, vast majority of stories these days are just regurgitated talking points based on media releases and strategic leaking.

  18. 18 PhilNo Gravatar

    @Gummo, different thread please, I’m sure it’ll be along shortly.

  19. 19 AmbigulousNo Gravatar

    “Tip toeing off” – very good.

    Now was it the soy milk or the latte or the Fair Trade computer screen that allowed such wit?

    Columnists who dribble without fear of facts, are “doing a Phillip Adams”, really.
    P’sC: no, you wouldn’t get away with it. Your readers would very quickly notice that you hadn’t read the fecking books.

  20. 20 adrianNo Gravatar

    The other problem with Kerr’s article apart from the rank hypocrisy and the above assumption is that it is just plain dumb. To think that people get paid to write such drivel. A half-witted psychopath drugged to the eyballs with a lethal combination of ice and {insert drug of choice} could come up with more intelligent drivel than this pathetic concoction of cliches, quarter truths and moronic conjecture.

    Just as well that Australian journalism is of such a high standard, since we’re going to miss it so much when it’s gone…

  21. 21 PhilNo Gravatar

    @adrian, you see that’s the difference, I don’t get paid so I’m under absolutely no obligation to ‘do journalism’, heck most of the time I do these posts running out the door and/or when I have a bit of time….yes, I know it shows.

    And who says that I’m interested id doing this as journalism anyway? Most of the time this is just a fun distraction for me, clearly it is too for Kerr.

    Plus I’m under no obligation to be fair and balanced here, I leave that proposition for my day job.

  22. 22 sgNo Gravatar

    I hate this stupid latte slur. I drink my coffee black, and chardonnay has long been Australia’s most popular bevvy (not that I drink it). How can these stupid ignorant little toads still be recycling culture war stereotypes from the mid-90s?

    Don’t answer that, obviously.

  23. 23 DeeCeeNo Gravatar

    Larvatus Prodeo, not just for the latte left but rather a stronghold of the fair-trade, rainforest alliance-certified, decaff and soy brigade.

    “Assuming facts not in evidence”; argumentum ad hominem “poisoning the well”, “guilt by assertion” (ie a Leninist technique – that’s Left, for gawd’s sake, Kerr!) … and I used to think he was one of NewsLtd’s few intelligent journos.

    So much for story-breaking “investigative journalism”. Just goes to show why his job’s at risk!

  24. 24 Patricia WANo Gravatar

    Typical of how he sounds, a patronizing, opinionated git. Interesting that he knows our coffee preferences from our LP comments. Has there been there been a full and frank exchange of opinion about caffeine habits I’ve missed? As a long macch addict am I blogging in the right place?

  25. 25 djNo Gravatar

    I drink coffee as often as I read a Christian Kerr article.

  26. 26 joNo Gravatar

    It’s not that bad, considering……the main problem for Kerr however, is that the two blogs that match Christian’s diecasting,

    They have become Lord of the Flies islands online. Disagree with the group-think of the tribe and they will chase you over a cliff. In this environment there is not only no room for news, but no tolerance of new ideas.

    are of course, Bolt and Blair, News Ltd’s premier bloggers, who are paid, amazingly.

  27. 27 Down and Out of Sài GònNo Gravatar

    Christian Kerr:

    … Larvatus Prodeo, not just for the latte left but rather a stronghold of the fair-trade, rainforest alliance-certified, decaff and soy brigade.

    Did you know that when you enter “Latte Left” in Wikipedia, it gets redirected to “Chardonnay Socialist”? Neither did I.

  28. 28 Beavis And Butthead Do Hilary BrayNo Gravatar

    People ask me, what sort of coffee is deemed politically favourable by the punditry. Working families want answers to the question. And I tell them, Laurie.

    Sand in your shorts?
    Ok, I’ll bite.

    Heh. Huhuhuhhhhuhh. Huhhhuhhh.

  29. 29 PinkyOzNo Gravatar

    Phil,

    I have to say, I’m probably not all that left. Are you going to drum me off that cliff?

    Possibly were missing the point a bit, maybe there is a fair argument that we don’t do enough to really find the news, that we are a bit insular, that we do find ourselves in a bit of group think on a lot of topics. Sure shaky ground under Mr. Kerr there, especially considering that his services are paid for, but strip out the obvious conservative wrapping and there might be a point worth listening to.

    I’m not saying that this blog is some “Lord of the Flies” experiment in leftie tribalism just that we may want to keep a close eye on ourselves to make sure were not making the same mistakes as the newspapers we deride.

    PinkyOz.

  30. 30 SkinnyWog LatteNo Gravatar

    Phil

    It is quite ironic, very funny in fact, that you are the first to bite. After all, you are the major offender of Lord of the Flies paranoia. Except you are actually proud to threaten to ‘chase off cliffs’ anybody who offends your group think. ;)

  31. 31 thewetmaleNo Gravatar

    Interesting that he has actually mentioned the names of some of the Aus blogs instead of referring to them just as ‘blogs.’ This might serve to get more people checking out the Aus blogosphere and perhaps finding that they are much more valuable and interesting than the opinion pages of the Australian. Multiple-level FAIL.

  32. 32 MarkNo Gravatar

    Actually, there’s been a bit of that recently, and it’s an interesting development. They used to absolutely eschew mentioning the names of any blogs – cf some of Christian Kerr’s previous sprays about the blogosphere. But we got mentioned in The Punch, and Christopher Pearson actually represented one of my arguments reasonably fairly in his column the other weekend – though attributing it to the LP hivemind rather than to me ie “LP believes…”

  33. 33 FLDNo Gravatar

    I think it’s a bit rich someone from The Australian criticizing blogs for not breaking stories. From the way Kerr writes, you’d think The Oz was full of Jimmy Olsen types rushing in shouting “Stop the presses” as he brings in a new scoop. Sadly, most mainstream journalism these usually consists of rewriting of press-releases.
    It was particularly interesting that he singled out Possum Pollytics for special opprobrium. Of course, Pollytics was one of the few commentators that actually knew how to read the famous Crosby-Textor report whereas the Oz didn’t have a clue about it.
    As for the bollocks about “lord of the flies” Sheesh. This from News Ltd who publish Blair and Bolt. Bloody hell.

  34. 34 It could be worse I could be James JoyceNo Gravatar

    At LP we like nothing better than a nice fair trade latte while we chase those who disagree over a cliff, at the Oz you’ve never see a global warming denialist idea you haven’t liked.
    .
    N’uk n’uk n’uk.
    .
    Fair trade is usually crap coffee. And I’ve never been sure how they actually verify the fairness of the trade. Shame. No Sweat shoes are better than Converse all-stars, quality.

  35. 35 Andrew ReynoldsNo Gravatar

    Mocha for me please. Most coffee in Perth needs to have some chocolate in it.
    .
    BTW – if Christian Kerr is right does that mean I have to start agreeing with the hivemind to continue commenting here?

  36. 36 NickwsNo Gravatar

    Jeebus, so Hilary Bray can’t handle the new level of opinionating that comes through Internet 2.0.

    And he thinks Catallaxy represents something in Australian society as big as the latte-chugging left.

    I guess this is one more sign that the Oz will fold when Rupert moves on.

    BTW, anyone else notice that Landeryou is now, acording to the linked article, the creator of an ‘online shit-sheet’ (will that expression make it into the print edition?) I guess this means Christian and Andrew are no longer post-ideological brothers in arms. And anybody know who Paul Staines is? Why is he the shit?

  37. 37 PDAANo Gravatar

    I think what Christian Kerr is trying to say is that Larvatus Prodeo is the whitest blog in Australia.

  38. 38 what some people need is a good editorNo Gravatar

    It’s also interesting that he singles out Club Troppo for praise for its supposed balance, as though balance was something to aspire to. Just like The Australian.

    Maybe there’s one rule for the fearless, independent, searching for the truth in every corner, take no prisoners News Ltd journalists, and your everyday bloggers, who like the ABC, must be balanced.

  39. 39 David Irving (no relation)No Gravatar

    Beavis and Butthead, I’m a bit disturbed that Kev uses a stubbie-holder. That’s a bit effete, isn’t it?

  40. 40 David Irving (no relation)No Gravatar

    Actually, Adrien, some fair trade coffee is at least as good as the exploiting variety. I must admit I avoid the stuff from East Timor though. It seems to have way too much Robusta in it, and I happen to prefer Arabica.

    OK, OK, I’m a coffee wanker as well as a lefty.

  41. 41 mickNo Gravatar

    *Sigh* I wish everyone in the Oz and UK media would stop giving the love to Guido Fawkes the way that they do. Sure, he does break stories. But mostly in the sense of most political insiders who peddle in gossip. We have the entire press gallery for that sort of thing.

    For those of you not familiar with it Guido’s blog is all about leaks, controlled and un-controlled. To his credit he seems to have a knack for choosing the leaks that will resonate with the press and public. Oh, and also a knack for skewering pollies that he has a grudge against and he quite proudly doesn’t analyse anything. Basically, think Drudge crossed with the Terrorgraph and you’ll have the tone about right.

    Christian is right when he says that we don’t have a Guido Fawkes in the ozblogosphere. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. Most of the oz bloggers I have had anything to do with would seriously baulk at publishing a leaks or rumours. Most of them aren’t really into being a cog in some larger political game.

  42. 42 MichaelNo Gravatar

    I hate coffee.

    Will I be chased off a cliff??

  43. 43 2353No Gravatar

    Definitely not International Roast, that’s socialism by any other name!! The drink of the “non-latte left would have to be Caterers Blend.

  44. 44 Pavlov's CatNo Gravatar

    Interesting that he knows our coffee preferences from our LP comments. Has there been there been a full and frank exchange of opinion about caffeine habits I’ve missed?

    Possibly so, Patricia; did you see this?

    Mark @ #32 — unlike many of his confrères, C. Pearson does actually read a number of blogs regularly.

    Re Kerr’s comments on the “balance” at Troppo, balance between what and what? One kind of man and another kind of man?

  45. 45 Darryl RosinNo Gravatar

    “No Sweat shoes are better than Converse all-stars, quality.”

    I bought meself some red no sweat high tops Christmas before last, and was very pleased with the little documents of the workers conditions and union memberships, but the shoes were beyond doubt the shoddiest pieces of rubbish I’d ever put on my feet (and that’s saying something). I’d given up on them by March, having applied significant glue to them *twice* yet they still found new ways to come apart.

    d

  46. 46 MarkNo Gravatar
  47. 47 Jovial MonkNo Gravatar

    I have been drinking ‘latte’ my whole life, well coffee drinking life, it is how it was done in Holland where I grew up and it stuck.

    Never liked chardonnay, more a Sauvignon blank/riesling/semillon drinker but even then I mostly drink reds when drinking wine :)

  48. 48 MarkNo Gravatar

    I’m liking Spanish reds a lot this winter. And mine’s always a flat white.

  49. 49 glenNo Gravatar

    what?

    since when is journalism the measure of blogging?

    assumption fail!

    The Australian works to produce an audience to sell to advertisers, does it do this well or not? I would suggest ‘not’. The mass media and advertising model of the media is in dire straits. Does Christian Kerr write articles that deliver an audience for the newspaper to sell to advertisers? LOL! This is the metric of his success.

    Doing ‘journalism’ is not enough for the contemporary media to deliver an audience to advertisers. The audience has to be far less analytical in its engagement for the conventional mass media advertising model to work. Creating web traffic from over-analytical bloggers is not going to help his cause. The page hits mean nothing when no one bothers with the advertisements.

    How to bolster the media’s democratic function without lapsing into the abject instutionalised stupidity that is necessary for mass media advertising to work? You should be concerning yoursef with that core problem, Christian Kerr.

  50. 50 Paul HodgsonNo Gravatar

    I’ll spend an hour or so exploring whether I can get something like this “Wanted” ad placed in the Australian:
    “I am a journalist for The Australian. I was formerly political commentator for http://www.crikey.com.au. I was sacked by Crikey. Crikey then employed people like Scott Steele from pollytics and William Bowe from pollbludger. I am now writing opinion pieces for the Australian in which I attack Scott Steele and William Bowe. I see no need whatever to acknowledge this background in my pieces for The Australian. I am told that I should seek help from ethicists and psychologists. The Australian finds nothing amiss with what I am doing. I need advice.”

  51. 51 stewieNo Gravatar

    Club troppo had some mighty fine stuff on it in the era before Rudd became PM but since then I have found it a bit, well, conservative. LP has not suffered from this trend and I continue to enjoy it.

  52. 52 NabakovNo Gravatar

    Christian has the glimmerings of a spark of an iota of the fifth hand received wisdom of a semblance of the construct of a superimposed clade of filmy observations that could lead to the semblance of a passing thought there.

    There hasn’t been any good dames with weapons threads here lately.

  53. 53 myriadNo Gravatar

    lol @ Paul Hodgson.

    The only thing I really enjoyed about Christian’s writings at Crikey was how he’d write the most pathetic pathologically hatred-filled fact-free rants about the Greens; and week by week Bob Brown’s young media adviser, Ebony Bennet, would write a rebuttal that left Christian wearing his arse as a hat. It was beautiful.

  54. 54 LiamNo Gravatar

    Nabakov, you’re missing out on the Asian colonial fortification action.

  55. 55 Mr Kerr's A*seNo Gravatar

    Person at #53 – I would not grace the head of Kerr. I prefer to stay where the brains are.

  56. 56 Lefty ENo Gravatar

    Yes, BmL will be outsourcing all future blog-hos, owing to downsizing. Cheers Liam. Mind you , its practically his post! I got me a few hot fort tips from the dark horse of military architecture, Senhor Liamistão!

  57. 57 SteveNo Gravatar

    The irony is if he’d left out the hyperbole, Christian’s analysis of Australian political blogs wasn’t far off the mark.

  58. 58 MarkNo Gravatar

    I’ll ponder that over the glass of soy milk I’m currently enjoying in tribute to Christian’s preference for analysis free writing, Steve!

    *Srsly*

  59. 59 SteveNo Gravatar

    I just meant without the hyperbole to which you referred to rebutt me, his point about Australian political blogging not being of the same calibre of British or American is entirely accurate. Whether it needed to be said or not is another thing.

  60. 60 SteveNo Gravatar

    The only problem with your post Paul Hodgson (#50) is Crikey didn’t hire Scott and William to replace Christian, they hired Bernard Keane, who is rubbish.

  61. 61 MarkNo Gravatar

    I’m getting at the blindness and irony of the ‘let’s eschew analysis’ while presumably analysing, Steve. “Analysis” is evidently a dirty word for the News punditariat, and the reasons for that would bear some examination.

    Certainly, what Christian is writing isn’t ‘news’ or a ‘breaking story’.

    As to cross-national comparisons, what does ‘calibre’ mean in this context?

    I’ve never heard of the blogger cited – but as Mick said, he seems to trade in Westminster gossip. Why is that necessarily of higher quality than analysis of climate change policy here, Quiggin’s stuff on the economy, the excellent posts on feminism at many, many places, the great litbloggers, etc, etc?

    I don’t know the UK blogosphere at all, really, but I read very few American blogs now that the election is over, because most are really boring partisan stuff. HuffPo or whatevs isn’t really doing blogging. Conversely, there are some very good American blogs outside the so-called A List – again some standouts among feminist, econo and academic bloggers – but given the huge differences in the population, I doubt more per head than here.

    The unstated premise is that political blogging should be what the News mob so often do – retailing rumours and leaks, or pontificating on purported trends which are of little or no interest to the great majority of voters in their lives, and usually have little or no value as any sort of guide to what might happen electorally.

  62. 62 NickwsNo Gravatar

    Steve @ 59, there’s a British blogosphere? They’re hiding their lights under many digital bushels, I gather.

    I can only think of a couple of UK bloggers who are quoted in the US blogs I read. They provide the same style of commentary as everyone else—and none of them strike me as being as significant a communicator as a Tim Lambert, for instance.

    I hope you’re not talking about the Economist extending their hoity-toity brand online.

  63. 63 MercuriusNo Gravatar

    New Facebook quiz: Which Lord of the Flies character are you?
    —–

    Coffee order: I’ll have a strong flat white. Made with whatever. Asphalt. Battery acid. If it’s early enough, I’ll drink it.

    Soy is for sauce. Decaf is proof that God is dead.

    Possum is the smartest whatever-it-is-he-does writing in Australia today. No wonder it goes over Hilary Bray’s head.

    And before we could chase anyone off a cliff, we’d have to herd all these cats together first…

    Next!

  64. 64 mickNo Gravatar

    Mark – over the last year or so I’ve been trying to make sense of the English blogosphere. There are loads of blogs, just like everywhere, but there are very few political blogs that have any impact at all. The main exception is Guido Fawkes who, as I said above, is basically a Drudgeish character.

    There’s a myth peddled by a number of people who “analyze” the Oz blogs in comparison with the UK (which I think is a stupid practice in general as the two scenes are ridiculously different) and they often like to say that there are no Oz blogs with the impact of Guido Fawkes. Apparently, according to his blog his readership stats are over 100 000 hits a day. I’m not sure exactly how or what he’s counting but even in unique hits that isn’t huge considering that the UK population is 3 times the size of Oz’s. Frankly, Guido Fawkes stands out as pretty much the only blog that has a readership and that isn’t a weak-assed attempt at astroturfing.

    One of the disappointing things about the UK blogosphere is the lack of decent, well read, leftish blogs. I guess mostly this is due to Labour being in power during the development of the ‘tubes. Also, there is a fair amount of leftish analysis in the MSM in the UK. The BBC and the Guardian and others offer more in the way of analysis and comment over a broader range of the spectrum than you get in Oz or the US. Still, none of it is really that “independent” and the level of sophistication even in professional political web activism (or even otherwise) is very very low.

  65. 65 Jacques de MolayNo Gravatar

    Well I’ll raise my mocha latte from Bean Bar while next reading Crikey in honour of Christian Kerr. He always was a dropkick.

  66. 66 Robert MerkelNo Gravatar

    Groan.

    I know Christian was going for a pithy summary, and furthermore my blogging, and LP in general, is not by any means perfect.

    But, geez, I find the characterization as a member of the “fair-trade, rainforest alliance-certified, decaff and soy brigade” quite insulting. It implies a reflexive and fairly shallow approach in one’s commitment to environmental and social justice. Given the effort that various LP bloggers, especially Brian and dk, have put in to bringing real sophistication in their analysis of environmental issues and particularly climate change, as have other LP bloggers in the areas in which they have most expertise, I reckon that’s a pretty unfair characterization of those of us who post here. Commenters to, in all their diversity of viewpoints.

  67. 67 AmbigulousNo Gravatar

    Well said, Robert Merkel, and put yourself up there in the ranks of posters who bring technical expertise relevant to current events (nay, affairs!) and provide interesting links.

  68. 68 Chopped LiverNo Gravatar

    I was especially offended by his failure to mention banal sarcasm, pointless linguistic nitpicking, poo jokes and youtube links.

  69. 69 Robert MerkelNo Gravatar

    :)

  70. 70 Banal Hussein al-SarcastiNo Gravatar

    Larvatus Prodeo: Come for the climate change and political meta-analysis, stay for the lipsnigering.

  71. 71 SkinnyWog LatteNo Gravatar

    On the content-free analysis-paralysis typical of Australian blogging, how can we pass by this gem of Oz blogging analysis:

    I see that writing op eds without actually doing any reading continues to pass as a fashion statement. Given that I write book reviews for most of my living, I really ought to adopt this technique. Think of the time it would save.

    What did Confucius say again?

    Those who can, write: those who can’t, review.

    Now, that’s what I call saving time!

  72. 72 klaus kNo Gravatar

    And those who can do neither take pathetic, uninformed swipes on blog threads.

    You could at least get your facts straight. Confucius obviously didn’t consider a third category: those who can write, blog, review, edit and teach. You’re out of your depth in company like that.

  73. 73 HelenNo Gravatar

    I don’t know what personal beef you have, SWL, but it’s getting really tiresome and reveals much more about you than the commenters you try to smear.

  74. 74 adrianNo Gravatar

    Could it be yet another incarnation of the ’slime?

  75. 75 mickNo Gravatar

    See, I’ve been away from these parts of the tubes for ages and I’m back reading just a couple of threads and there’s already lipsniggering.

  76. 76 MindyNo Gravatar

    He could at least give LP credit for Australia’s longest running Missy Higgins thread.

  77. 77 Pavlov's CatNo Gravatar

    But, geez, I find the characterization as a member of the “fair-trade, rainforest alliance-certified, decaff and soy brigade” quite insulting.

    Of course. You were supposed to feel insulted, and so were the people to whom those terms actually do apply. But I think Kerr is just giving the readership what he thinks they want to hear and never mind the facts. I agree that the really substantial posts here are more often than not those about environment and climate change, but don’t forget that Kerr was and remains an almost hysterical denialist. It’s very unlikely that he reads them.

  78. 78 LauraNo Gravatar

    Never trust a man sporting a corkscrew perm.

  79. 79 murph the surf.No Gravatar

    “…I agree that the really substantial posts here are more often than not those about environment and climate change,….”
    No the most substantial quality that LP has is it’s collective memory of past injustices and the consequent grudges borne.
    Yes I mean you Liam .
    These memories are a wonderful asset and help frame so many modern conflicts in an insightful manner.
    More power to party hacks and Sussex Street!

  80. 80 AmbigulousNo Gravatar

    well done, klaus k !!!

  81. 81 j_p_z (Topiaries Shaped Like Hedges edition)No Gravatar

    FWIW, I think the Ozblogosphere punches well above its weight in comparison to the (well-known part of the) US scene. Can’t say much about the UK though. The notable Oz blogs are thoughtful, well-informed and interested in details, all virtues. The fact that I think y’all are bonkers a good 40 per cent of the time has no bearing on the sheer quality of the undertaking.

    There’s some excellent US blog-*posting* (but little good thread conversation) coming from the more analytical right-side of US commentary (though increasingly I hate the left/right vocabulary, which is just no longer accurate): folks like Tom Maguire, Sailer, Patterico, Ace of Spades, Powerline and Baseball Crank are parsecs ahead of their ‘left’ counterparts in terms of baseline sanity (though I differ with each on points), but what’s missing in all the US scene, left or right, is the gentle art of conversation. So much more educational than just spewing your talking points.

    I still think LP is the world-beater for excellence in conversation, although sometimes Sailer and Belmont Club threads make a good read for sheer Marat/Sade entertainment value.

    Keep up the good work, lasses and laddies, and don’t listen to the sneers of the punditariat.

    Now how about a chorus of ‘Somalian Pirates We’?

  82. 82 WomboNo Gravatar

    Definitely not International Roast, that’s socialism by any other name!!

    Rubbish! International Roast is a Deformed Workers’ Coffee! No more socialist than the Stalinist tin cans it comes in.

  83. 83 Barnaby GrudgeNo Gravatar

    it’s collective memory of past injustices and the consequent grudges borne

    [sings]: It waved above our infant might/When all ahead was dark as night/It witnessed many a deed and vow/We mustn’t change its colour now/So raise that scarlet standard high, etc.
    Thanks Murph. Though I’m far from best-practice in this regard, my filing system is shit-and-twigs compared to the mighty archives of a decent hater like Gerard Henderson.

  84. 84 Well Someone's Got to Do ItNo Gravatar

    “collective memory of past injustices…”

    Q.: What’s the definition of Irish Alzheimer’s?

    A.: It’s when you become so old and feeble that you actually forget one or two of your grudges.

  85. 85 FDBNo Gravatar

    “my filing system is shit-and-twigs compared to the mighty archives of a decent hater like Gerard Henderson.”

    I was so sure you’d end that sentence with a ‘C’ and an ‘L’. That you went the Hendo adds to a theory of mine…

  86. 86 Martin LulzzlewitNo Gravatar

    I still think LP is the world-beater for excellence in conversation

    Excellent point. LP’s enduring quality has been the high calibre of the contributors and commenters, and thus their conversation. While I tend to agree with the non-hyperbolic parts of Kerr’s description*, he’s failed miserably in identifying what this blog is about. For mine, it’s not about deep left politics, though perhaps some of the contributors and commenters think so, but about conversation, debate, stoush and lipsnigering over the topics de jour.

    Naturally, the content of posts frames the conversations, as do the ideological biases of contributors and commenters, but, in the end, this joint really hums when it attracts the company of clever, well-informed people who have a great deal of conversation. Now, personally, I’m a little disappointed that weighty matters like reality TV and Princess Mary don’t get the attention they used to, but you play the hand you’re dealt.

    * Yes, IMO the tone and content of LP has veered even more leftwards and greeenwards over the past 2-3 years. TINNAGT.

  87. 87 MarkNo Gravatar

    Update [by Mark]: The anti-analysts analysed.

  88. 88 TimTNo Gravatar

    It all seems fairly mild to me – from what I read of that Kerr quote he’s just making an observation about the left-leaning tendency on Larvatus Prodeo. It doesn’t sound like criticism, just classification – albeit a classification by means of cliche.

  89. 89 MercuriusNo Gravatar

    Now how about a chorus of ‘Somalian Pirates We’

    …duck?

  90. 90 NickwsNo Gravatar

    I don’t need you to tell me how good my coffee is. I’m the one who buys it, I know how fuckin’ good it is. When Hilary Bray goes shoppin’, she buys shit. I buy the gourmet expensive stuff ’cause when I drink it, I wanna taste it. But what’s on mind at this moment isn’t the coffee in my kitchen.

    It’s the pointlessness of threads about lipsnigers.

  91. 91 Paul HodgsonNo Gravatar

    Steve #60

    This thread is probably dead by now but:

    “The only problem with your post Paul Hodgson (#50) is Crikey didn’t hire Scott and William to replace Christian, they hired Bernard Keane, who is rubbish”

    Where did I say that Crikey replaced Christian with Scott and William? And contrary to you, I think that Bernard Keane is NOT rubbish. I DO think that Christian Kerr was, is, and will always remain rubbish.

  92. 92 Lefty ENo Gravatar

    Yep, Fyodor’s right – its all about the breadth of the comment Church. And the enstoushment opportunities. And above all, those who are just trying to make it through, in good jesting company. Thats the the LP recipe!

    Let’s face it, we’re all just over-evolved apes trying to impose form on a meaningless vortex of noise. But some of us are looking at the stars!

  93. 93 VeeNo Gravatar

    I’m having trouble trying to find the phrase to take offence at: All his descriptions of the popular blogs are fairly accurate.

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