Bull. Total bull.

I’ve been to the oil conferences and seen the figures. Prudhoe Bay is unquestionably in decline. The total reserves are not enough to meet US demand, nor is the projected production rate adequate to make up the shortfall from other US production.

You should not be so credulous when oil company CEO’s talk airily about there being endless supplies. It is definately in their vested interest to make sure that the public doesn’t panic and decamp enmasse into oil alternatives. They need market demand to stay high, so that the oil price and company revenues are maximised.

The oil company execs don’t care about the upcoming financial shock to the economy from rapidly declining oil reserves, any more than the tobacco executives or the James Hardy executives cared about terminal negative outcomes to others. Perhaps this is an unfortunate result of a market economy and stratospheric remuneration to the execs, combined with the type of personality that often reaches these positions?

Insert “near” between “nowhere” and “Reagan”.

Well, where I come from, it’s considered pretty infra dig to laugh at your own jokes or process excess ‘expensive whiskey’ through any channel but your urethra.

Now a few words in favour of Warren Harding for whom I’ve always harboured a soft spot. By all accounts he was a genuinely nice, affable and entertaining old bloke, he shrewdly read and reacted to the populace’s desire for “normalcy” and the corruption of his administration was actually pretty average by US standards. Certainly nowhere Reagan administration levels.

But you do not really mean to say you believe Obama was unaware what the phrase in the Constitution preamble meant when he used that line in Germany?? What else uspet you about the German speech? Or are you referring to the ‘A More Perfect Union’ Speech?

Now that speech has been hailed by some of your countrymen as the most significant speech on race relations in America for generations. It has been said to be his most important speech, a speech which greatly assisted his ascent to office. So I am bemused – why is he a lying sack of shit exactly?

BBB, aren’t you breaching your brave freethinking code by directing me to ‘wake up’? You don’t take sides, remember?

Please refer to learned texts to check this if you need but my point is that nothing is gained by dismissing those who don’t agree with you by failing to recognise they can have a different point or view or opinion or set of prejudices and instead deciding that they are ” nutjobs ” “fruitloops” or any other term disparaging to the metally ill.

When did I do that murph? I’ve read plenty of ‘learned texts’ on this subject and, having encountered this illness up-close, I don’t need you to tell me from a great height that it’s no party game. I know whereof I speak and all I said is that they meet more than a couple of the diagnostic indicators for NPD. That’s just a descriptive, even clinical, observation and had none of the derogatory overtones or undertones you ascribe. Methinks you do assumeth too much.

Being as knowledgeable about the ‘learned texts’ as you purport to be, you’d be well aware that meeting a few diagnostic indicators is a country mile short of a diagnosis, which only a professional can make. Like all spectrum disorders, probably as many as 1-in-5 people would meet at least 1-2 of the diagnostic criteria. I think even a casual non-professional observer could discern that for themselves. All the diagnostic indicators are is a sign that you could go talk to a professional to see whether there is in fact a diagnosis to be made, or if they’re just false alarms. But, being as well acquainted with the ‘learned texts’ as you are, I guess you knew that.

Murph, the internet is full of people ready to question the mental health of those with opposing views. I’m not one of them. I never have, and I never would. Don’t over-ascribe that particular predilection to me, thank you.

But on another note, being overly-precious about mental illness helps nobody, least of all those with a mental illness. Greater awareness and understanding goes a long way towards destigmatisation and losing the “shame”. And that means frank discussion, like the one we’re having. Reacting with the ‘hush-hush’ tone like you do actually feeds the perception that there’s something shameful about mental illness. We don’t think there’s anything shameful about catching the flu or breaking a limb, so why be so precious about diseases of the mind?

Hope his keyboard survives…

You reckon Palin is “honestly” resigning because she thinks that she isn’t up to the job? WHAAAT? Didn’t you hear that woman speak about how she would be a GREAT Vice President, and even hint that she had aspirations on becoming President? That is not someone who thinks that she isn’t up to the job. Didn’t you hear her say what a great job she had done in Alaska, not once but repeatedly?

That thar woman does not see any flaws when she looks into her mirror. Half her luck! The rest of us normal beings can usually find plenty of flaws, unless we have just been hoeing into the bubbly.

Not enough pollies are honest enough to admit the best thing they can do for their constituents is resign.

Well, it was put forward in a discussion on Blogocracy in the lead-up to the US elections. Well before our time, IIRC. Unfortunately, I forget the gentleman’s name – a regrettable weakness, I’m bad with names. He apparently was a fine figure of a man, with an aristocratic bearing and fine manners, but almost no understanding of complex problems related to running a country. He was apparently coached into getting the job, by people who stood to gain subsequently by being his mates and “life support”. Unfortunately that wasn’t enough to protect him from public scrutiny, which soon enough decided he only LOOKED Presidential. He was a one term wonder, apparently. Sorry again, I have forgotten his name.

More seriously, has anyone noticed that the Chinese have absconded with the entire RIO iron ore marketing team in China? What good does that do in the negotiations? What good is kidnapping the team?

Well, umm … what happened to their laptops? Presumably those laptops would have rather useful and highly confidential price negotiation information, including probably emails back to head office on what terms RIO might accept? I seem to recall a quickly hushed-up story that the Chinese absconded with Rudd’s laptop as well. And to think people were seriously thinking and saying that the Chinese now played by normal commercial rules? All new western thinking from an independent Chinalco, and no old games by the Chinese communist party? Cough, splutter…as you were…

Ford certainly wasn’t a thug (although Nixon was) – he appears to have been a thoroughly nice man, although not the sharpest knife in the drawer. After all, Johnson is supposed to have said he couldn’t fart and chew gum at the same time, and we certainly thought he’d played a few too many football games without a helmet.

Reagan was either extremely stupid or a sociopath, given his economic policies. This is a conversation for a different thread, btw, so please don’t start on what an economic fucken genius he was.

Bush Jr? A stupid thug.

I rest my case.

Pfft. Not being either a Republican or left-wing is ‘I’m alright Jack” material is it? Wake up.

BBB

More on the rest of this fascinating thread later. So youse know to avoid it, I suppose.

I believe the US once before elected a President who had more looks than brains, so there is a precedent there.

I’m intrigued to find out which one you mean, Elise. Just in my lifetime, there’s been Bush Jr, Reagan, Ford (oh wait, that was by default) … shit, the Rethuglicans sure can pick them.

I’m not sure this is the forum for a technical dissection of Palin’s claims, and I don’t have the transcripts of her comments to hand any longer, regarding US oil self-sufficiency and Alaskan oil supplies and production capabilities.

Blogocracy was good enough to indulge a thorough dissection at the time, which I gleefully provided, with internet references to relevant data. You may still find the discussion online, if they haven’t deleted the site. It is of relevance only if you are concerned about accuracy of claims about US foreign oil independency, and about a potential VP giving wildly misleading information to the public. It’s of no relevance at all to those who would rather admire her lippy, and compare her figure to greek statues…! I believe the US once before elected a President who had more looks than brains, so there is a precedent there.

Facts too much for you, so you try personal insults? Keyboard bravado seems to come quite easily for you.

My apologies for assuming you had manners. I assumed you were referring to the topic at hand via insults, rather than your interlocutor.

I’ll take personal insults as your concession that your comment was ill researched, wrong, and that I hit the nail on the head. Cheerio!