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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/06/federer-makes-it-15/#comment-144105</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with most of the last two comments. Agassi had a period in 1996-7 when he went missing after, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Agassi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to Wiki&lt;/a&gt;, having his most successful win-loss year in 1995.

Nadal, like Borg, runs everything down, has incredible concentration and is just very hard to beat. But his knees are a worry and he might not have all that many years in him. I believe he gets more than double the topspin on his groundstrokes compared to any other player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with most of the last two comments. Agassi had a period in 1996-7 when he went missing after, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Agassi" rel="nofollow">according to Wiki</a>, having his most successful win-loss year in 1995.</p>
<p>Nadal, like Borg, runs everything down, has incredible concentration and is just very hard to beat. But his knees are a worry and he might not have all that many years in him. I believe he gets more than double the topspin on his groundstrokes compared to any other player.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennis pro</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/06/federer-makes-it-15/#comment-144104</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennis pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sampras played in a harder era and is the better player on grass, rpobably even on hard court, certainly worse on clay.

I would say that Nadal is showing how a more competitive era might have looked. I think Agassi for instance was a better ground stroke player than Federer, not as good at moving but I can see him beating Federer at the US and Aussie Opens in the mid 90s.

Federer is the more complete player than Sampras but in my view the Sampras serve is still the greatest shot that Tennis has seen, closely followed by the McEnroe drop volley, Edberg back hand volley, Federer running forehand and Agassi return.

I really like watching Nadal but I think it is his total game that is impressive rather than any compartmentalised aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sampras played in a harder era and is the better player on grass, rpobably even on hard court, certainly worse on clay.</p>
<p>I would say that Nadal is showing how a more competitive era might have looked. I think Agassi for instance was a better ground stroke player than Federer, not as good at moving but I can see him beating Federer at the US and Aussie Opens in the mid 90s.</p>
<p>Federer is the more complete player than Sampras but in my view the Sampras serve is still the greatest shot that Tennis has seen, closely followed by the McEnroe drop volley, Edberg back hand volley, Federer running forehand and Agassi return.</p>
<p>I really like watching Nadal but I think it is his total game that is impressive rather than any compartmentalised aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Labor Outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Labor Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other thing people forget easily is just how good a clay court player Federer is. I think that is because his first success was at wimbledon. But he actually comes into the net fairly irregularly - certainly far less often than Sampras, Becker, Edberg and McEnroe. Watching his games I keep thinking to myself that I would like to see him at the net more often, but I think he enjoys trying to beat people from the back more. Unfortunately, in Nadal, he faces a player that quite often just hits harder for longer and more consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other thing people forget easily is just how good a clay court player Federer is. I think that is because his first success was at wimbledon. But he actually comes into the net fairly irregularly &#8211; certainly far less often than Sampras, Becker, Edberg and McEnroe. Watching his games I keep thinking to myself that I would like to see him at the net more often, but I think he enjoys trying to beat people from the back more. Unfortunately, in Nadal, he faces a player that quite often just hits harder for longer and more consistently.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST, that&#039;s about right, I think. I checked some of the leading players&#039; win-loss records and it&#039;s surprising how they cluster in the low 80 per cent region. The ranking, without quoting each one is Borg (82.46%), Nadal, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Federer (80.9%). Sampras is a bit further back at 77.4% and Agassi at 76%.

One of the factors is how long they play on after falling away from their best. Wilander, who played on with limited success well into the 90s, is back at 72%. Hewitt is at 74.7%. Edberg and Becker are also mid-70s.

The Courier Mail had match stats of the fifth set of Federer vs Roddick. Federer won 87 points to Roddick&#039;s 79. The aces were 22/8 and the winners 21/17. Unforced errors were 16/14. Federer won 90% of the time on his first serve and 59% on the second. Roddick&#039;s serve results were 80% and 43% respectively.

So you&#039;d have to say Federer was in the ascendancy in the fifth. The dominance of both on serve, however, was such that it could have gone on a lot longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST, that&#8217;s about right, I think. I checked some of the leading players&#8217; win-loss records and it&#8217;s surprising how they cluster in the low 80 per cent region. The ranking, without quoting each one is Borg (82.46%), Nadal, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Federer (80.9%). Sampras is a bit further back at 77.4% and Agassi at 76%.</p>
<p>One of the factors is how long they play on after falling away from their best. Wilander, who played on with limited success well into the 90s, is back at 72%. Hewitt is at 74.7%. Edberg and Becker are also mid-70s.</p>
<p>The Courier Mail had match stats of the fifth set of Federer vs Roddick. Federer won 87 points to Roddick&#8217;s 79. The aces were 22/8 and the winners 21/17. Unforced errors were 16/14. Federer won 90% of the time on his first serve and 59% on the second. Roddick&#8217;s serve results were 80% and 43% respectively.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;d have to say Federer was in the ascendancy in the fifth. The dominance of both on serve, however, was such that it could have gone on a lot longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Savvas Tzionis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savvas Tzionis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what its worth, I believe the best player in the world since the first Connors era is as follows.

Connors 74-76
Borg 76-81
McEnroe 81-84
Lendl 85-90 (except for Wilander&#039;s stellar 88 year)
There was a period between 1990 and 1993 when various contenders were considered the best player. Edberg, Becker, and Courier being the main contenders.
Sampras 93-00 (with Agassi at times trumping him)
Again from 2000 til 2003 various players were contenders (including Hewitt, Safin, Agassi)
Then of course, Federer 2003 til now with Nadalbesting him in 2008 up til early this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what its worth, I believe the best player in the world since the first Connors era is as follows.</p>
<p>Connors 74-76<br />
Borg 76-81<br />
McEnroe 81-84<br />
Lendl 85-90 (except for Wilander&#8217;s stellar 88 year)<br />
There was a period between 1990 and 1993 when various contenders were considered the best player. Edberg, Becker, and Courier being the main contenders.<br />
Sampras 93-00 (with Agassi at times trumping him)<br />
Again from 2000 til 2003 various players were contenders (including Hewitt, Safin, Agassi)<br />
Then of course, Federer 2003 til now with Nadalbesting him in 2008 up til early this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/06/federer-makes-it-15/#comment-144100</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Brian 8, I was wrong when I said that Federer has won only 6 Wimbledon singles titles.

He was won 7. He won the boy&#039;s title in 1998.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Brian 8, I was wrong when I said that Federer has won only 6 Wimbledon singles titles.</p>
<p>He was won 7. He won the boy&#8217;s title in 1998.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/06/federer-makes-it-15/#comment-144099</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LO, yes Federer was still surprisingly fit at the end, which is why I think he&#039;s got a few more slams in him.

What interested me about the list was that I wasn&#039;t aware that Connors had regained the top ranking after Borg departed. I remember Connors saying that he would go to the ends of the earth to hunt Borg down but her never did. At Wimbledon in 1981 Connors lost to Borg in five in the semis and it was then McEnroe who beat Borg in four in the final. I remember Borg sinking to the turf with a haunted look. Even though he was only 25 he was finished.

I always thought the ascendancy then passed to McEnroe and then to Lendl, which is generally right apart from Connors popping up multiple times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LO, yes Federer was still surprisingly fit at the end, which is why I think he&#8217;s got a few more slams in him.</p>
<p>What interested me about the list was that I wasn&#8217;t aware that Connors had regained the top ranking after Borg departed. I remember Connors saying that he would go to the ends of the earth to hunt Borg down but her never did. At Wimbledon in 1981 Connors lost to Borg in five in the semis and it was then McEnroe who beat Borg in four in the final. I remember Borg sinking to the turf with a haunted look. Even though he was only 25 he was finished.</p>
<p>I always thought the ascendancy then passed to McEnroe and then to Lendl, which is generally right apart from Connors popping up multiple times.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, TT, Newk bombed sadly on that one. And his mates in the box were mostly masters of the bleeding obvious or ridiculous mind reading. But at least watching you knew the score, which often you didn&#039;t listening to the Brits on NewsRadio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, TT, Newk bombed sadly on that one. And his mates in the box were mostly masters of the bleeding obvious or ridiculous mind reading. But at least watching you knew the score, which often you didn&#8217;t listening to the Brits on NewsRadio.</p>
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		<title>By: Labor Outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Labor Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for linking to that list. The thing that stands out to me is Connors&#039; record. He first became number 1 in 1974 and still had another stint in him nearly ten years later!

Fortunately, living in Europe, I got to see the whole thing during normal waking hours! It was a funny game. It is hard to see how Roddick could have played better, while Federer&#039;s game (like it has been for over a year now) was a little eratic (sublime shots and awful frames in nearly equal measure). Federer&#039;s fitness is incredble - even at the end he looked like he could have continued for hours longer, banging down 2 or 3 aces a game....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linking to that list. The thing that stands out to me is Connors&#8217; record. He first became number 1 in 1974 and still had another stint in him nearly ten years later!</p>
<p>Fortunately, living in Europe, I got to see the whole thing during normal waking hours! It was a funny game. It is hard to see how Roddick could have played better, while Federer&#8217;s game (like it has been for over a year now) was a little eratic (sublime shots and awful frames in nearly equal measure). Federer&#8217;s fitness is incredble &#8211; even at the end he looked like he could have continued for hours longer, banging down 2 or 3 aces a game&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, looking again at the list, maybe he was talking about himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, looking again at the list, maybe he was talking about himself.</p>
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