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	<title>Comments on: I won&#8217;t add my condemn to your condemn XXXVIII</title>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/10/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-xxxviii/comment-page-2/#comment-821899</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do condemn the socialists.
i really do not condemn the tango at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do condemn the socialists.<br />
i really do not condemn the tango at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>todays condemnation relates to this:

http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/rain-little-help-as-lakes-dammed/1570928.aspx?storypage=0

I condemn the South Australian Labor Party...that&#039;ll do for now, I&#039;m sure Peter Garrett needs some condemnation too.  All of us, really, for not shouting louder, earlier.  How depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>todays condemnation relates to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/rain-little-help-as-lakes-dammed/1570928.aspx?storypage=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/rain-little-help-as-lakes-dammed/1570928.aspx?storypage=0</a></p>
<p>I condemn the South Australian Labor Party&#8230;that&#8217;ll do for now, I&#8217;m sure Peter Garrett needs some condemnation too.  All of us, really, for not shouting louder, earlier.  How depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe2

very good!  Next headline to include &quot;giving &lt;em&gt;lippia&lt;/em&gt;&quot; perhaps?  ;-)

Elise and furious balancing: I&#039;m hoping that during the next two years the Rudd Govt will sort out all these inconsistencies (why should ANYONE become ineligible to buy &quot;green power&quot;?), if only to make consistent the bookkeeping for watching the nation&#039;s carbon emissions, and to encourage as many households and business as possible to LOWER their carbon emissions.</description>
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<p>very good!  Next headline to include &#8220;giving <em>lippia</em>&#8221; perhaps?  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Elise and furious balancing: I&#8217;m hoping that during the next two years the Rudd Govt will sort out all these inconsistencies (why should ANYONE become ineligible to buy &#8220;green power&#8221;?), if only to make consistent the bookkeeping for watching the nation&#8217;s carbon emissions, and to encourage as many households and business as possible to LOWER their carbon emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it does raise the issue of whether the trend to waterwise gardening runs the risk of creating drought tolerant super-weeds that have some unintended environmental impacts.

This year the return to decent winter rainfall has reminded me of the weeds I&#039;d become a bit complacent about.  Truth be told the drought has been very good for the native grasslands we&#039;ve been restoring....weeds like patersons curse, thistle, cats-ear etc have not done well in the drought and the grasses have really thrived in their absence.  I don&#039;t really want to think about the task ahead should the weeds be equally well adapted to long periods of drought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it does raise the issue of whether the trend to waterwise gardening runs the risk of creating drought tolerant super-weeds that have some unintended environmental impacts.</p>
<p>This year the return to decent winter rainfall has reminded me of the weeds I&#8217;d become a bit complacent about.  Truth be told the drought has been very good for the native grasslands we&#8217;ve been restoring&#8230;.weeds like patersons curse, thistle, cats-ear etc have not done well in the drought and the grasses have really thrived in their absence.  I don&#8217;t really want to think about the task ahead should the weeds be equally well adapted to long periods of drought.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dreams of lawn order lead to plague of killer weed&quot;
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534055343.html

I condemn lippia but not the above headline...&quot;lawn order&quot;, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dreams of lawn order lead to plague of killer weed&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534055343.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534055343.html</a></p>
<p>I condemn lippia but not the above headline&#8230;&#8221;lawn order&#8221;, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the best definition of a weed is a plant one doesn&#039;t want. Ecologically, I suppose a weeds would be defined as a plant growing outside of it&#039;s natural range.  If you&#039;re happy with the Lippia then for you personally, it&#039;s not a weed.  My main point really is that it&#039;s not a grass, and it&#039;s not native.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the best definition of a weed is a plant one doesn&#8217;t want. Ecologically, I suppose a weeds would be defined as a plant growing outside of it&#8217;s natural range.  If you&#8217;re happy with the Lippia then for you personally, it&#8217;s not a weed.  My main point really is that it&#8217;s not a grass, and it&#8217;s not native.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furious @74, what is the definition of weed?  A plant one doesn&#039;t like, or something more scientific?

From the book &quot;Waterwise Gardening&quot;, 3rd Edn, by Kevin Walsh, bought in Angus &amp; Robertson bookstore:  Lippia - Phyla nodiflora (syn. Lippia nodiflora), origin Australia.

From the CSIRO website:  &quot;The two species in Australia, Phyla nodiflora, and the weedy, Phyla canescens (lippia). Both are believed to be introduced but the origin of P. nodiflora requires clarification.&quot;

&quot;Some botanists believe that it could be native to Australia which has implications for lippia management.&quot;

I had checked in my trusty Waterwise Gardening book before accepting the offer from the neighbours.  It seemed to fit our theme of waterwise native garden.

The CSIRO website supports your viewpoint, although it is a bit ambivalent about origins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furious @74, what is the definition of weed?  A plant one doesn&#8217;t like, or something more scientific?</p>
<p>From the book &#8220;Waterwise Gardening&#8221;, 3rd Edn, by Kevin Walsh, bought in Angus &amp; Robertson bookstore:  Lippia &#8211; Phyla nodiflora (syn. Lippia nodiflora), origin Australia.</p>
<p>From the CSIRO website:  &#8220;The two species in Australia, Phyla nodiflora, and the weedy, Phyla canescens (lippia). Both are believed to be introduced but the origin of P. nodiflora requires clarification.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some botanists believe that it could be native to Australia which has implications for lippia management.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had checked in my trusty Waterwise Gardening book before accepting the offer from the neighbours.  It seemed to fit our theme of waterwise native garden.</p>
<p>The CSIRO website supports your viewpoint, although it is a bit ambivalent about origins.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only Lippia I know is a very aggressive [non-native] weed!  It&#039;s not a grass.</description>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furious @72, native grasses like Lippia you mean?

The neighbours gave us some, which our puppy dug up three or four times.  We thought we&#039;d lost it.  Now it is taking over the garden, and I suspect has crept under the fence in taking over the lawn of our other neighbours.  Oops.

Unbelievably tenacious stuff, that Lippia, and quite pretty.  Doesn&#039;t need much water, and doesn&#039;t need mowing either.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furious @72, native grasses like Lippia you mean?</p>
<p>The neighbours gave us some, which our puppy dug up three or four times.  We thought we&#8217;d lost it.  Now it is taking over the garden, and I suspect has crept under the fence in taking over the lawn of our other neighbours.  Oops.</p>
<p>Unbelievably tenacious stuff, that Lippia, and quite pretty.  Doesn&#8217;t need much water, and doesn&#8217;t need mowing either.  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We both work in environmental jobs.  She works at a local provenance nursery, if I told her to plant some trees, she&#039;d probably throttle me!  :p  Native grasses are pretty good at carbon capture..just thought I&#039;d mention it, if you run out of room for gums. ;)

She called all of the power companies here and they all had the same policy, I think it must a problem with the state legislation, who knows, I&#039;m just glad I didn&#039;t go ahead with it, because it would have really bugged me.  I&#039;m just trying to work on better efficiencies at home and I buy green power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We both work in environmental jobs.  She works at a local provenance nursery, if I told her to plant some trees, she&#8217;d probably throttle me!  :p  Native grasses are pretty good at carbon capture..just thought I&#8217;d mention it, if you run out of room for gums. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>She called all of the power companies here and they all had the same policy, I think it must a problem with the state legislation, who knows, I&#8217;m just glad I didn&#8217;t go ahead with it, because it would have really bugged me.  I&#8217;m just trying to work on better efficiencies at home and I buy green power.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furious balancing, we sold our REC&#039;s.  Three reasons:

(a) it dropped the cost of buying the solar system (which helped our short-term budget), 

(b) there is legislative risk that the damn government would do something reeel stoopid like scrapping the MRET system (which I believe underlies the REC&#039;s market) so we got while the gettin&#039; was good,

(c) we have no problem with sharing the credit for renewable energy - if someone else can meet their targets by subsidising our solar system, then I&#039;m happy to oblige!

It sounds like your sister has a recalcitrant energy company.  If the Rudd government, and Penny Wong in particular had some internal consistency with their symbolic posturings, then they would legislate to ensure renewable energy was encouraged at every opportunity.

Why not encourage your sister to plant some big gum trees (or rather saplings that will grow into big ones)?  I don&#039;t entirely trust other entities to use all the money to the purpose they claim, including green energy.  I&#039;d sooner plant gum trees myself, water them, nurture them, and know for sure that the money was used to a green purpose.

We even planted 2 gum trees on the verge at the end of our street, about 3 years ago.  We bought them from a nursery, taking advice on a suitable species for a verge planting.  The neighbours probably thought we were nuts, hand carting buckets of water to the little saplings in the summer, especially since it wasn&#039;t inside our yard or even on our verge (which already has 2 medium size gums).  The council now waters them with their water truck, and they have grown into very beautiful young trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furious balancing, we sold our REC&#8217;s.  Three reasons:</p>
<p>(a) it dropped the cost of buying the solar system (which helped our short-term budget), </p>
<p>(b) there is legislative risk that the damn government would do something reeel stoopid like scrapping the MRET system (which I believe underlies the REC&#8217;s market) so we got while the gettin&#8217; was good,</p>
<p>(c) we have no problem with sharing the credit for renewable energy &#8211; if someone else can meet their targets by subsidising our solar system, then I&#8217;m happy to oblige!</p>
<p>It sounds like your sister has a recalcitrant energy company.  If the Rudd government, and Penny Wong in particular had some internal consistency with their symbolic posturings, then they would legislate to ensure renewable energy was encouraged at every opportunity.</p>
<p>Why not encourage your sister to plant some big gum trees (or rather saplings that will grow into big ones)?  I don&#8217;t entirely trust other entities to use all the money to the purpose they claim, including green energy.  I&#8217;d sooner plant gum trees myself, water them, nurture them, and know for sure that the money was used to a green purpose.</p>
<p>We even planted 2 gum trees on the verge at the end of our street, about 3 years ago.  We bought them from a nursery, taking advice on a suitable species for a verge planting.  The neighbours probably thought we were nuts, hand carting buckets of water to the little saplings in the summer, especially since it wasn&#8217;t inside our yard or even on our verge (which already has 2 medium size gums).  The council now waters them with their water truck, and they have grown into very beautiful young trees.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elise, I&#039;m glad to hear you&#039;re solar setup is working out well.  I guess my sister main motivation was to reduce her power bills in the long term, but mainly to reduce the emissions from her household. She is VERY disappointed that after the expense of putting on solar panels her household will be less carbon neutral than she was before.  She held onto her RECS [at no small cost] because she didn&#039;t see the point of reducing emissions just so the energy company could use them.  She was as serious as one individual can be in their own house about achieving a genuine reduction in emissions.  It just seems very mean-spirited and anti-consumer-choice not to allow someone who has a grid connect system to purchase their surplus energy as &#039;green energy&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elise, I&#8217;m glad to hear you&#8217;re solar setup is working out well.  I guess my sister main motivation was to reduce her power bills in the long term, but mainly to reduce the emissions from her household. She is VERY disappointed that after the expense of putting on solar panels her household will be less carbon neutral than she was before.  She held onto her RECS [at no small cost] because she didn&#8217;t see the point of reducing emissions just so the energy company could use them.  She was as serious as one individual can be in their own house about achieving a genuine reduction in emissions.  It just seems very mean-spirited and anti-consumer-choice not to allow someone who has a grid connect system to purchase their surplus energy as &#8216;green energy&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I condemn &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt; who employ ridiculously obscure terminology such as &#039;neologism&#039; on what ostensibly remains a thread of jocularity and mordant humour enlivened by altogether gracious expression and unencumbered by meandering and ponderous verbiage, including &lt;em&gt;myself&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I condemn <em>those</em> who employ ridiculously obscure terminology such as &#8216;neologism&#8217; on what ostensibly remains a thread of jocularity and mordant humour enlivened by altogether gracious expression and unencumbered by meandering and ponderous verbiage, including <em>myself</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you David (I, nr) and you too Paul N, insofar as I can read your post :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you David (I, nr) and you too Paul N, insofar as I can read your post <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambigulous, the link you provided reminds me how much I enjoyed Don Watson&#039;s books on abuse of language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambigulous, the link you provided reminds me how much I enjoyed Don Watson&#8217;s books on abuse of language.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I condemn recondite terminology, inhermeneuticable phrases and sesquipedalian words.</description>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I condemn annoying words and phrases, esp neologisms.

And I have another pedantic, grumpy &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3632697/Are-you-ready-to-think-outside-the-box.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; ally &lt;/a&gt; in book form.

A sample: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;Raft of measures&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&#039;The Government announced a raft of measures to tackle child poverty&#039;&lt;/em&gt;. Also &#039;&lt;em&gt;a whole raft of measures&lt;/em&gt;&#039;. Meant to suggest breadth but implies hasty assembly , using driftwood.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I condemn annoying words and phrases, esp neologisms.</p>
<p>And I have another pedantic, grumpy <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3632697/Are-you-ready-to-think-outside-the-box.html" rel="nofollow"> ally </a> in book form.</p>
<p>A sample: &#8220;<strong>Raft of measures</strong> <em>&#8216;The Government announced a raft of measures to tackle child poverty&#8217;</em>. Also &#8216;<em>a whole raft of measures</em>&#8216;. Meant to suggest breadth but implies hasty assembly , using driftwood.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/10/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-xxxviii/comment-page-2/#comment-814274</link>
		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furious Balancing @63:  We have a 1.3 kW solar system (6 panels), and it has been working wonderfully.  Best little experiment we have done in years, and MUCH cheaper than the kitchen reno!!!

We get paid for energy we put back into the grid, and it pumps out the most power in summer when we are using the most electricity for air conditioning.

Our summer power bill dropped by three-quarters, i.e to about 25% of its previous levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furious Balancing @63:  We have a 1.3 kW solar system (6 panels), and it has been working wonderfully.  Best little experiment we have done in years, and MUCH cheaper than the kitchen reno!!!</p>
<p>We get paid for energy we put back into the grid, and it pumps out the most power in summer when we are using the most electricity for air conditioning.</p>
<p>Our summer power bill dropped by three-quarters, i.e to about 25% of its previous levels.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/10/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-xxxviii/comment-page-2/#comment-814183</link>
		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of energy.  I condemn the fact that when my sister got her 1kw PV system installed she was immediately denied the ability to purchase &#039;green energy&#039;.  She checked with every energy company and all of them deny anyone who is has a PV system connected to the grid to buy Green Energy.  

Before getting her PV system, like me, she purchased green energy [100%], so we have a situation where now having invested in amorphous panels, which were more expensive than the cyrstalline, she is using more non-renewable power than she was before she made that investment.

So buyer beware to anyone thinking of getting solar panels.  It&#039;s not something she thought to ask when she was going through the paperwork, and I can&#039;t say I blame her for that, I certainly never would have thought a power company could deny you the ability to buy green power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of energy.  I condemn the fact that when my sister got her 1kw PV system installed she was immediately denied the ability to purchase &#8216;green energy&#8217;.  She checked with every energy company and all of them deny anyone who is has a PV system connected to the grid to buy Green Energy.  </p>
<p>Before getting her PV system, like me, she purchased green energy [100%], so we have a situation where now having invested in amorphous panels, which were more expensive than the cyrstalline, she is using more non-renewable power than she was before she made that investment.</p>
<p>So buyer beware to anyone thinking of getting solar panels.  It&#8217;s not something she thought to ask when she was going through the paperwork, and I can&#8217;t say I blame her for that, I certainly never would have thought a power company could deny you the ability to buy green power.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I condemn the energy companies of Victoria for the heavy and often deceitful door to door harassment techniques they support against residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I condemn the energy companies of Victoria for the heavy and often deceitful door to door harassment techniques they support against residents.</p>
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