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		<title>By: grace pettigrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/17/one-small-step-40-years-ago/comment-page-3/#comment-816156</link>
		<dc:creator>grace pettigrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much dick-swinging and fem-bashing on this thread and hardly a woman, let alone a feminist, to be seen. I remember thinking at the time, and still think, this is what blokes should be doing. Getting out there and exploring space and time, dicks at attention, instead of banging each other to death here on earth. Breaking the boundaries is what men are made for, and what women admire men for. War is easy, and stupid. Exploring the wondrous glory of the everlasting stars is da thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much dick-swinging and fem-bashing on this thread and hardly a woman, let alone a feminist, to be seen. I remember thinking at the time, and still think, this is what blokes should be doing. Getting out there and exploring space and time, dicks at attention, instead of banging each other to death here on earth. Breaking the boundaries is what men are made for, and what women admire men for. War is easy, and stupid. Exploring the wondrous glory of the everlasting stars is da thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/17/one-small-step-40-years-ago/comment-page-3/#comment-816130</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never get between a prepubescent or even an adult warmongering male as his war toys and rockets, Fran. 

The rest of us knew and know it was all about male glory, a pissing competition between two unequally matched oppositional world powers in which the real and only superpower Mother Nature had the last laugh. 

Heaps of people at the time thought the moon landing was a crock and still do for the very good reason it was carried out by the most bellicose murderous military power in world history which was still in the throes of napalming the people of Vietnam and Cambodia. In response, 1968-69 was the height of a worldwide anti-war movement and student and youth radicalisation whose principal raison d&#039;etre and focus was to end the US-led assault on these countries.

This was achieved. The greatest achievement of that era. That&#039;s the lesson, the main lesson worth remembering and celebrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never get between a prepubescent or even an adult warmongering male as his war toys and rockets, Fran. </p>
<p>The rest of us knew and know it was all about male glory, a pissing competition between two unequally matched oppositional world powers in which the real and only superpower Mother Nature had the last laugh. </p>
<p>Heaps of people at the time thought the moon landing was a crock and still do for the very good reason it was carried out by the most bellicose murderous military power in world history which was still in the throes of napalming the people of Vietnam and Cambodia. In response, 1968-69 was the height of a worldwide anti-war movement and student and youth radicalisation whose principal raison d&#8217;etre and focus was to end the US-led assault on these countries.</p>
<p>This was achieved. The greatest achievement of that era. That&#8217;s the lesson, the main lesson worth remembering and celebrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well all I can manage now when I reflect on the whole loony thing Nabakov is ... meh ... what a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well all I can manage now when I reflect on the whole loony thing Nabakov is &#8230; meh &#8230; what a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/17/one-small-step-40-years-ago/comment-page-3/#comment-816121</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We might be rather more sustainably loveable — and more equitable in our conduct.&quot;

For whom?

My point is not that the Mercury/bunch of Russkie Korolev-infused stuff/Gemini/Apollo missions were not good or bad in themselves but rather that there&#039;s no way you could have stopped humans from behaving like that at the time.

It&#039;s too late to complain about what should have happened so you might as well sit back and chew over what really  happened. 

Which is that the US Government spent the equivalent of a few bad years in Vietnam or Iraq on throwing to the moon, and bringing back, a bunch of supreme products of the US military/industrial/entertainment system - who all somehow turned in one way or another to be somewhat mystical on their return.

The first man to set foot on somewhere on other than earth now spends all his time flying gliders and avoiding interviews. All his moon walking colleagues are not that easily accessed for open comments either.

Look at the Apollo program this way. The US used everything at their disposal over nine years to beat the Russkies to the moon. And what did they get back? 

Enough data to make it clear the moon was not made of anything economically viable ((BEEP) ah...Houston...we have a (BEEP)..ah..gusher (BEEP)...ah.. no...(BEEP)...that&#039;s a negatory(BEEP)..I say again...negatory..er...not oil
Houston(BEEP)).

The undying admiration of the world for a short while.

And a bunch of superbly trained pilot/engineers who all returned from the Moon in a very Zen state of mind.
  
Sure the whole things sounds today like lunacy. But you&#039;ll never ever know if you never ever go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We might be rather more sustainably loveable — and more equitable in our conduct.&#8221;</p>
<p>For whom?</p>
<p>My point is not that the Mercury/bunch of Russkie Korolev-infused stuff/Gemini/Apollo missions were not good or bad in themselves but rather that there&#8217;s no way you could have stopped humans from behaving like that at the time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too late to complain about what should have happened so you might as well sit back and chew over what really  happened. </p>
<p>Which is that the US Government spent the equivalent of a few bad years in Vietnam or Iraq on throwing to the moon, and bringing back, a bunch of supreme products of the US military/industrial/entertainment system &#8211; who all somehow turned in one way or another to be somewhat mystical on their return.</p>
<p>The first man to set foot on somewhere on other than earth now spends all his time flying gliders and avoiding interviews. All his moon walking colleagues are not that easily accessed for open comments either.</p>
<p>Look at the Apollo program this way. The US used everything at their disposal over nine years to beat the Russkies to the moon. And what did they get back? </p>
<p>Enough data to make it clear the moon was not made of anything economically viable ((BEEP) ah&#8230;Houston&#8230;we have a (BEEP)..ah..gusher (BEEP)&#8230;ah.. no&#8230;(BEEP)&#8230;that&#8217;s a negatory(BEEP)..I say again&#8230;negatory..er&#8230;not oil<br />
Houston(BEEP)).</p>
<p>The undying admiration of the world for a short while.</p>
<p>And a bunch of superbly trained pilot/engineers who all returned from the Moon in a very Zen state of mind.</p>
<p>Sure the whole things sounds today like lunacy. But you&#8217;ll never ever know if you never ever go.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabakov said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And let’s face it, if we didn’t indulge in grand, imaginative, indulgent, expensive, inspiring, dangerous, unpredictable and gallant gestures from time to time, we wouldn’t be the human race we know too well and often love.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We might be rather more sustainably loveable -- and more equitable in our conduct.

Fran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nabakov said:</p>
<blockquote><p>And let’s face it, if we didn’t indulge in grand, imaginative, indulgent, expensive, inspiring, dangerous, unpredictable and gallant gestures from time to time, we wouldn’t be the human race we know too well and often love.</p></blockquote>
<p>We might be rather more sustainably loveable &#8212; and more equitable in our conduct.</p>
<p>Fran</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At any rate it looks good on a nations CV.&quot;

Nice observation there Jack. Never underestimate ego and prestige as driving forces in human affairs.


&quot;From a purely scientific perspective, Apollo was a lousy investment.&quot;

Are you kidding? The Apollo program greatly drove the technology of putting hi-tech stuff into space and then controlling it there. Like the satellites which hook up our communications and watch our weather, beam entertainment into loungerooms, allow GPS to find us and monitor the earth for ecological, economic and strategic hot spots. How much do you currently pay for a few hours goggling around Google Earth?

Admittedly a lot of these benefits would have been realised eventually but thanks to JFK&#039;s deadline, they got to us faster.

And let&#039;s face it, if we didn&#039;t indulge in grand, imaginative, indulgent, expensive, inspiring, dangerous, unpredictable and gallant gestures from time to time, we wouldn&#039;t be the human race we know too well and often love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At any rate it looks good on a nations CV.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice observation there Jack. Never underestimate ego and prestige as driving forces in human affairs.</p>
<p>&#8220;From a purely scientific perspective, Apollo was a lousy investment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you kidding? The Apollo program greatly drove the technology of putting hi-tech stuff into space and then controlling it there. Like the satellites which hook up our communications and watch our weather, beam entertainment into loungerooms, allow GPS to find us and monitor the earth for ecological, economic and strategic hot spots. How much do you currently pay for a few hours goggling around Google Earth?</p>
<p>Admittedly a lot of these benefits would have been realised eventually but thanks to JFK&#8217;s deadline, they got to us faster.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s face it, if we didn&#8217;t indulge in grand, imaginative, indulgent, expensive, inspiring, dangerous, unpredictable and gallant gestures from time to time, we wouldn&#8217;t be the human race we know too well and often love.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Merkel says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;From a purely scientific perspective, Apollo was a lousy investment. But, as New Scientist puts it, it was never really about science:&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

The Space Race to the Moon was a very, very good investment from a strategic point of view. THe USAF&#039;s landing on the moon was, as Russian space experts now admit, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.abs-cbn.com/world/07/19/09/us-moon-landing-defeat-soviet-space-programme&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a defeat for the Soviet space program&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Americans&#039; main goal was competition with the Soviets around the lunar programme. Their victory in this was undoubtedly a highly significant event in the contest between the two systems,&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

The Space Race was, as the name indicates, a sub-set of the Arms Race bw USA and USSR. The USA&#039;s victory in the Space Race was a major aspect in its victory in the Arms Race. This Arms Race victory in turn was a major factor in the USA&#039;s victory in the Cold War.

The USA&#039;s victory in the Cold War created a Peace Dividend. So the US victory in the Space Race did, in a significant way, help to promote the global spread of peace and prosperity over the nineties and noughties.

Right now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3688344/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a new Space Race&lt;/a&gt; is brewing in NE Asia, as industrial giants of the East look to stake a claim on the Moon. This is largely in response to the discovery of ice in lunar craters. A sufficient supply of ice would allow the powering, atmosphering and hydration of a lunar base. Most likely such a base would be heavily &quot;manned&quot; by robots or AI devices, reducing the need for organic supply.

A self-sustaining lunar base could come in handy for launching cheap satellites or manafacturing installations. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4277592.html?do=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Popular mechanics&lt;/a&gt; indulges in a bit of lunar economic forecasting:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The base could be an ideal location for manufacturing processes best suited for low gravity, or for helium-3 mining to fuel future fusion reactors. The agency also sees the moon as the perfect construction site and launchpad for eventual manned journeys to Mars.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt; 

All this shows that peaceful competition bw nations, based on technological metrics, can be a real boon to humanity. At any rate it looks good on a nations CV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Merkel says:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>From a purely scientific perspective, Apollo was a lousy investment. But, as New Scientist puts it, it was never really about science:</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The Space Race to the Moon was a very, very good investment from a strategic point of view. THe USAF&#8217;s landing on the moon was, as Russian space experts now admit, &#8220;<a href="http://news.abs-cbn.com/world/07/19/09/us-moon-landing-defeat-soviet-space-programme" rel="nofollow">a defeat for the Soviet space program</a>&#8220;:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;The Americans&#8217; main goal was competition with the Soviets around the lunar programme. Their victory in this was undoubtedly a highly significant event in the contest between the two systems,&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The Space Race was, as the name indicates, a sub-set of the Arms Race bw USA and USSR. The USA&#8217;s victory in the Space Race was a major aspect in its victory in the Arms Race. This Arms Race victory in turn was a major factor in the USA&#8217;s victory in the Cold War.</p>
<p>The USA&#8217;s victory in the Cold War created a Peace Dividend. So the US victory in the Space Race did, in a significant way, help to promote the global spread of peace and prosperity over the nineties and noughties.</p>
<p>Right now <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3688344/" rel="nofollow">a new Space Race</a> is brewing in NE Asia, as industrial giants of the East look to stake a claim on the Moon. This is largely in response to the discovery of ice in lunar craters. A sufficient supply of ice would allow the powering, atmosphering and hydration of a lunar base. Most likely such a base would be heavily &#8220;manned&#8221; by robots or AI devices, reducing the need for organic supply.</p>
<p>A self-sustaining lunar base could come in handy for launching cheap satellites or manafacturing installations. <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4277592.html?do=print" rel="nofollow">Popular mechanics</a> indulges in a bit of lunar economic forecasting:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The base could be an ideal location for manufacturing processes best suited for low gravity, or for helium-3 mining to fuel future fusion reactors. The agency also sees the moon as the perfect construction site and launchpad for eventual manned journeys to Mars.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>All this shows that peaceful competition bw nations, based on technological metrics, can be a real boon to humanity. At any rate it looks good on a nations CV.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even by the blogosphere&#039;s admittedly low entry standards for the socially challenged, Greenslime&#039;s constant attempts to catch the attention of even those he affects to hate is startlingly pathetic, unbalanced and needy.

You can just see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;him&lt;/a&gt; muttering over and over again &quot;luvvies...bitchslap...revolver&quot; while fondling his ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even by the blogosphere&#8217;s admittedly low entry standards for the socially challenged, Greenslime&#8217;s constant attempts to catch the attention of even those he affects to hate is startlingly pathetic, unbalanced and needy.</p>
<p>You can just see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs" rel="nofollow">him</a> muttering over and over again &#8220;luvvies&#8230;bitchslap&#8230;revolver&#8221; while fondling his ring.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#94 At any rate, &quot;John Greenfield&quot; is a serial sockpuppeteer.

http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/26/sockpuppet-ban/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#94 At any rate, &#8220;John Greenfield&#8221; is a serial sockpuppeteer.</p>
<p><a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/26/sockpuppet-ban/" rel="nofollow">http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/26/sockpuppet-ban/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just did, pouty boy. And I&#039;ll bet you&#039;ll be back soon to have the last word. Again.

Anyway my view on this whole Phallus 11 thang is that rockets and dicks look the same because it&#039;s form following function. They&#039;re both designed to minimise resistance and store fluids that are transformed into heat and pressure in order to deliver a (surprisingly small) payload to a precise location.

Of course on one hand you have blastoff followed by ascension whereas on the other hand it&#039;s vice versa.
 
One day I&#039;m gonna grow to be an astronaut and visit heavenly bodes as captain of Innuendo 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just did, pouty boy. And I&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;ll be back soon to have the last word. Again.</p>
<p>Anyway my view on this whole Phallus 11 thang is that rockets and dicks look the same because it&#8217;s form following function. They&#8217;re both designed to minimise resistance and store fluids that are transformed into heat and pressure in order to deliver a (surprisingly small) payload to a precise location.</p>
<p>Of course on one hand you have blastoff followed by ascension whereas on the other hand it&#8217;s vice versa.</p>
<p>One day I&#8217;m gonna grow to be an astronaut and visit heavenly bodes as captain of Innuendo 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not interested in talking to you until you learn some manners, Nabokov.</description>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Phil, which bit of the word &quot;some&quot; don&#039;t you understand?

Would you like me to also explain why reading a book before passing judgement on its observations is generally regarded as a useful exercise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Phil, which bit of the word &#8220;some&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
<p>Would you like me to also explain why reading a book before passing judgement on its observations is generally regarded as a useful exercise?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And his musings on the whole patriarchy thing are a lot more thought out and funnier that some of the observations expressed here.&quot;

But of course. One of the most risible sexists in contemporary literature was way more funny than present day feminist Australian oiks, eh Nabs? LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And his musings on the whole patriarchy thing are a lot more thought out and funnier that some of the observations expressed here.&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course. One of the most risible sexists in contemporary literature was way more funny than present day feminist Australian oiks, eh Nabs? LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabakov, there was a &quot;Moon Lander&quot; game for the Hewlett-Packard programmable calculators, IIRC. It was a bitch to type it in, but quite satisfyingly frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nabakov, there was a &#8220;Moon Lander&#8221; game for the Hewlett-Packard programmable calculators, IIRC. It was a bitch to type it in, but quite satisfyingly frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What not re-enact the moon landing in the comfort of your own home with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ForDummies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blisteringly fast 4k of ram&lt;/a&gt; at your fingertips?

To celebrate the anniversary, I just reread Mailer&#039;s &#039;Of A Fire On The Moon&#039; which still holds up very well indeed as a wonderful piece of prose. Not to mention that Mailer really did his research to the point where he could clearly describe in technical detail for a layperson audience stuff like how to work the DSKY and what went wrong exactly with the AGC on final approach. 

And his musings on the whole patriarchy thing are a lot more thought out and funnier that some of the observations expressed here.

sg@112. It was onboard Apollo 8 while orbiting the moon.

Perosnally I preferred &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/kocktails/images/A7patch.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apollo 7&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s approach where they took premixed martinis up with them for a CMB (Command Module Bender)experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What not re-enact the moon landing in the comfort of your own home with a <a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ForDummies.html" rel="nofollow">blisteringly fast 4k of ram</a> at your fingertips?</p>
<p>To celebrate the anniversary, I just reread Mailer&#8217;s &#8216;Of A Fire On The Moon&#8217; which still holds up very well indeed as a wonderful piece of prose. Not to mention that Mailer really did his research to the point where he could clearly describe in technical detail for a layperson audience stuff like how to work the DSKY and what went wrong exactly with the AGC on final approach. </p>
<p>And his musings on the whole patriarchy thing are a lot more thought out and funnier that some of the observations expressed here.</p>
<p>sg@112. It was onboard Apollo 8 while orbiting the moon.</p>
<p>Perosnally I preferred <a href="http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/kocktails/images/A7patch.gif" rel="nofollow">Apollo 7</a>&#8217;s approach where they took premixed martinis up with them for a CMB (Command Module Bender)experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: sg</title>
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		<dc:creator>sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it on the moon landing that the Astronauts read an extract from genesis, essentially comparing themselves to gods? Or am I getting confused by the voiceover of a VNV Nation song?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it on the moon landing that the Astronauts read an extract from genesis, essentially comparing themselves to gods? Or am I getting confused by the voiceover of a VNV Nation song?</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just the number of people involved, jane: there was contemporary physical evidence (e.g. radio amateurs listening in to the astronaut&#039;s transmissions, the mirrors left on the Moon&#039;s surface that Robert mentioned).

Dodi was Egyptian and had a business base in London, jane. Were you thinking of Jemima Goldsmith and the Swashbuckling Heart-Throb Cricketer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just the number of people involved, jane: there was contemporary physical evidence (e.g. radio amateurs listening in to the astronaut&#8217;s transmissions, the mirrors left on the Moon&#8217;s surface that Robert mentioned).</p>
<p>Dodi was Egyptian and had a business base in London, jane. Were you thinking of Jemima Goldsmith and the Swashbuckling Heart-Throb Cricketer?</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elise @39, it was 40 years ago; I lose things I had 40 &lt;strong&gt;seconds&lt;/strong&gt; ago. 

Apparently the Mythbusters busted the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2008_season)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flag and several other moon landing myths&lt;/a&gt; some time ago.

I also agree that there were far too many people involved for the landings to be faked and the secret kept. Bit like the Diana conspiracy theorists. Having her married off and whisked off to sharia heaven in Pakistan or somewhere would have been far better than a martyr&#039;s death as far as the royal family was concerned, I would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elise @39, it was 40 years ago; I lose things I had 40 <strong>seconds</strong> ago. </p>
<p>Apparently the Mythbusters busted the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2008_season)" rel="nofollow">flag and several other moon landing myths</a> some time ago.</p>
<p>I also agree that there were far too many people involved for the landings to be faked and the secret kept. Bit like the Diana conspiracy theorists. Having her married off and whisked off to sharia heaven in Pakistan or somewhere would have been far better than a martyr&#8217;s death as far as the royal family was concerned, I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Bacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what was I saying?

&lt;em&gt;It is the manner of men first to wonder that any such thing should be possible, and after it is found out to wonder again how the world should miss it so long &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what was I saying?</p>
<p><em>It is the manner of men first to wonder that any such thing should be possible, and after it is found out to wonder again how the world should miss it so long </em></p>
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		<title>By: The Sparrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Moon is so yesterday.......MARS bitches!!!</description>
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