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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146035</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many here believe that any good purpose is being served by the continuing occupation of the Pakistan/Afghanistan area by Western troops?

In the wake of the latest incident in Indonesia, the opinion shapers are out again doing their schtick. One can see the logic of the claim. Few people who care about the loss of human life like to believe that lives are being lost without good purpose and that goes especially for those who have lost friends and family in wars.

The sentiment that &quot;it was for a good cause&quot; certainly mitigates the pain and even those of us who know its bollocks would probably be reluctant to put it as baldly to someone who had lost someone, but some delusions are also pernicious because they lay the foundations for more wrongdoing. If someone died in Afghanistan fighting for some good cause that was only achievable through accepting the risk of death, then presumably more have to take that risk with all that implies, both for the risk takers and the locals who, despite being at risk of becoming collateral damage, don&#039;t get a say in it.

What this underlines for me is one should refrain from getting entangled in military adventures that aren&#039;t absolutely and plainly justifiable on the grounds of net public good. Sooner or later you will have to withdraw and if you haven&#039;t won, then by definition almost everyone has lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many here believe that any good purpose is being served by the continuing occupation of the Pakistan/Afghanistan area by Western troops?</p>
<p>In the wake of the latest incident in Indonesia, the opinion shapers are out again doing their schtick. One can see the logic of the claim. Few people who care about the loss of human life like to believe that lives are being lost without good purpose and that goes especially for those who have lost friends and family in wars.</p>
<p>The sentiment that &#8220;it was for a good cause&#8221; certainly mitigates the pain and even those of us who know its bollocks would probably be reluctant to put it as baldly to someone who had lost someone, but some delusions are also pernicious because they lay the foundations for more wrongdoing. If someone died in Afghanistan fighting for some good cause that was only achievable through accepting the risk of death, then presumably more have to take that risk with all that implies, both for the risk takers and the locals who, despite being at risk of becoming collateral damage, don&#8217;t get a say in it.</p>
<p>What this underlines for me is one should refrain from getting entangled in military adventures that aren&#8217;t absolutely and plainly justifiable on the grounds of net public good. Sooner or later you will have to withdraw and if you haven&#8217;t won, then by definition almost everyone has lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146034</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Merkel@15 and John Passant@14

I agree, but I do wonder why the ALP were interested in Garrett at all. They handed himn a seat that the proverbial Drovers Dog was going to win and created some friction in the process. I also wonder why they handsed him a ministry first up when they could easily have begged off ... first term an all that and made him a parliamentary secretary to someone on ageing ... now that would have been delicious -- or given him zip. Of course as a backbencher, he could have preserved some of his cred.

These days the Greens sound a lot closer to what most people think &quot;traditional labor&quot; is/was all about (minus the White Australia thing of course)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Merkel@15 and John Passant@14</p>
<p>I agree, but I do wonder why the ALP were interested in Garrett at all. They handed himn a seat that the proverbial Drovers Dog was going to win and created some friction in the process. I also wonder why they handsed him a ministry first up when they could easily have begged off &#8230; first term an all that and made him a parliamentary secretary to someone on ageing &#8230; now that would have been delicious &#8212; or given him zip. Of course as a backbencher, he could have preserved some of his cred.</p>
<p>These days the Greens sound a lot closer to what most people think &#8220;traditional labor&#8221; is/was all about (minus the White Australia thing of course)</p>
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		<title>By: philip travers</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146033</link>
		<dc:creator>philip travers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must get a pair of Smarty pants,so that if Makow.com sees me,he will know,I am past September!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must get a pair of Smarty pants,so that if Makow.com sees me,he will know,I am past September!?</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146032</link>
		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB is asking for trouble in the Ruddblog thread, singing the praises of Chris from Masterchef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB is asking for trouble in the Ruddblog thread, singing the praises of Chris from Masterchef.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146031</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do.

He invented Samuel Beckett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do.</p>
<p>He invented Samuel Beckett.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146030</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t understand philip either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t understand philip either.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel of Truth</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146029</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel of Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 and #15.

Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 and #15.</p>
<p>Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: philip travers</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146028</link>
		<dc:creator>philip travers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swimming with the Spam-Bots....how courageous can one be!I just turned off my bloody computer and got more sleep than the PM requires.But if he paid me the same amount of money he is earning lately,I will trial it..just for this site.Meanwhile, have any of you lot simply thought about using a tanning solarium for yourself and maybe the sufferers of Swine F.!?The same nasty tech. that produced afew deaths,can be helpful,but as Australians believe Humans like Aldrin actually landed on the Moon,it is probably likely,they cannot experiment for themselves,if,having a convincing degree,to suggest the same to medicoes!?   This is Spam-Bot News signing off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swimming with the Spam-Bots&#8230;.how courageous can one be!I just turned off my bloody computer and got more sleep than the PM requires.But if he paid me the same amount of money he is earning lately,I will trial it..just for this site.Meanwhile, have any of you lot simply thought about using a tanning solarium for yourself and maybe the sufferers of Swine F.!?The same nasty tech. that produced afew deaths,can be helpful,but as Australians believe Humans like Aldrin actually landed on the Moon,it is probably likely,they cannot experiment for themselves,if,having a convincing degree,to suggest the same to medicoes!?   This is Spam-Bot News signing off!</p>
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		<title>By: David H</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146027</link>
		<dc:creator>David H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t books and therefore the productivity commission report something that Peter Garrett will have to respond to as Minister for the Arts? Not that I am convinced that book publishing is something we want to relegate to questions of productivity, maybe we could substitute containers of recycled remainders for tins of yellowcake ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t books and therefore the productivity commission report something that Peter Garrett will have to respond to as Minister for the Arts? Not that I am convinced that book publishing is something we want to relegate to questions of productivity, maybe we could substitute containers of recycled remainders for tins of yellowcake ?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/18/saturday-salon-200/#comment-146026</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but how much difference could Garrett have made as a) a Greens Senator, or b) outside Parliament?

That said, I&#039;m coming pretty strongly to the view (even though I disagree with many specific Greens policies) that it would be good for the ALP, the Greens, &lt;EM&gt;and&lt;/EM&gt; Australian politics if the Greens took an inner-city ALP-held seat or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how much difference could Garrett have made as a) a Greens Senator, or b) outside Parliament?</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m coming pretty strongly to the view (even though I disagree with many specific Greens policies) that it would be good for the ALP, the Greens, <em>and</em> Australian politics if the Greens took an inner-city ALP-held seat or two.</p>
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