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	<title>Comments on: Melbourne University&#8217;s endowment woes</title>
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		<title>By: Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So?</description>
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		<title>By: Student T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razor @#2: Ideally they should have built up reserves in the good times to smooth out consumtpion in the bad times. THAT WOULD BE CALLED AN ENDOWMENT MATE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razor @#2: Ideally they should have built up reserves in the good times to smooth out consumtpion in the bad times. THAT WOULD BE CALLED AN ENDOWMENT MATE.</p>
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		<title>By: BRY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify the figure of 30%, relative to the comments in #68 and #70, was from the following article, and represents the cumulative drop over 2 years:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/06/2735008.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the figure of 30%, relative to the comments in #68 and #70, was from the following article, and represents the cumulative drop over 2 years:<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/06/2735008.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/06/2735008.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-837845</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it&#039;s not OT to link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/14/a-tiger-tale/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it&#8217;s not OT to link to <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/14/a-tiger-tale/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Parkville Follies</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-837835</link>
		<dc:creator>Parkville Follies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the adoption of the so-called &quot;Melbourne Model&quot; a very &lt;em&gt;brave&lt;/em&gt; decision, in the sense of Sir Humphrey Appleby (distinguished civil servant, now nobly sipping very fine port in his role as Provost of a distinguished Oxbridge College)?

Was the Model widely debated in the University of Melbourne before adoption, or was it &lt;em&gt;fait accompli&lt;/em&gt; by executive fiat.

Let there be light shone upon these groves of academe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the adoption of the so-called &#8220;Melbourne Model&#8221; a very <em>brave</em> decision, in the sense of Sir Humphrey Appleby (distinguished civil servant, now nobly sipping very fine port in his role as Provost of a distinguished Oxbridge College)?</p>
<p>Was the Model widely debated in the University of Melbourne before adoption, or was it <em>fait accompli</em> by executive fiat.</p>
<p>Let there be light shone upon these groves of academe.</p>
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		<title>By: BRY</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-837802</link>
		<dc:creator>BRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nov 15: Christopher Webb states in a piece titled: Flawed model? that &quot;GOSSIP in academic circles at the University of Melbourne continues about how long the so-called &#039;&#039;Melbourne Model&#039;&#039; can survive. Indeed some critics claim it&#039;s on the verge of collapse.&quot; (http://www.theage.com.au/business/raking-in-the-fees-for-the-folk-at-cooper-20091114-ifjp.html)

Nov 18: Adam Schwab takes apart the hype issued by MU spokesperson Christina Buckridge (http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/18/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-126/)

Nov 20: Melbourne University staff protest by with-holding exam results (http://www.theage.com.au/national/uni-staff-withhold-marks-20091119-ioy6.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nov 15: Christopher Webb states in a piece titled: Flawed model? that &#8220;GOSSIP in academic circles at the University of Melbourne continues about how long the so-called &#8221;Melbourne Model&#8221; can survive. Indeed some critics claim it&#8217;s on the verge of collapse.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/business/raking-in-the-fees-for-the-folk-at-cooper-20091114-ifjp.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/business/raking-in-the-fees-for-the-folk-at-cooper-20091114-ifjp.html</a>)</p>
<p>Nov 18: Adam Schwab takes apart the hype issued by MU spokesperson Christina Buckridge (<a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/18/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-126/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/18/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-126/</a>)</p>
<p>Nov 20: Melbourne University staff protest by with-holding exam results (<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/uni-staff-withhold-marks-20091119-ioy6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/national/uni-staff-withhold-marks-20091119-ioy6.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Parkville Follies</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-835340</link>
		<dc:creator>Parkville Follies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the raw figures from riday&#039;s &quot;Age&quot;. First preferences for 2010: Monash 14,364 (up 12%), RMIT 10,443 (up 2%), Deakin 9,978 (up 16%), Melbourne Uni 8,372 (down 14%), La Trobe 6,732 (up 15%).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the raw figures from riday&#8217;s &#8220;Age&#8221;. First preferences for 2010: Monash 14,364 (up 12%), RMIT 10,443 (up 2%), Deakin 9,978 (up 16%), Melbourne Uni 8,372 (down 14%), La Trobe 6,732 (up 15%).</p>
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		<title>By: Parkville Follies</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-835336</link>
		<dc:creator>Parkville Follies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those first preference figures are interesting: rises for Monash, Latrobe, Deakin, etc. Looks as if demand for university places in Victoria has grown, yet demand for places at Melbourne Uni has dropped (so in relative terms even worse..... stocks falling, in a rising market).

But they&#039;re &quot;vacating the undergraduate market&quot; so why should they care? Glyn Davis an old mate of the PM&#039;s? Did any of the 2020 Summiteers criticise his new &quot;Melbourne Model&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those first preference figures are interesting: rises for Monash, Latrobe, Deakin, etc. Looks as if demand for university places in Victoria has grown, yet demand for places at Melbourne Uni has dropped (so in relative terms even worse&#8230;.. stocks falling, in a rising market).</p>
<p>But they&#8217;re &#8220;vacating the undergraduate market&#8221; so why should they care? Glyn Davis an old mate of the PM&#8217;s? Did any of the 2020 Summiteers criticise his new &#8220;Melbourne Model&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: BRY</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-835274</link>
		<dc:creator>BRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>November 2009, and the rot continues unabated at the University of Melbourne. A 30 per cent drop in first preference applications by students to do a degree at Melbourne, Dean of Law throwing in the towel (while the staff remain furious), senior HR manager Liz Baré leaving, Dean of Arts under pressure from his (remaining, and furious) staff, VCA protests and their 15,000 signature petition to Parliament, huge numbers of staff applying for redundancy.... Meanwhile, on Jon Faine&#039;s radio interview (7 Nov, ABC 774), Glyn Davis maintains that everything is going very well - couldn&#039;t be better... One wonders what it will take before a radical change occurs at that campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>November 2009, and the rot continues unabated at the University of Melbourne. A 30 per cent drop in first preference applications by students to do a degree at Melbourne, Dean of Law throwing in the towel (while the staff remain furious), senior HR manager Liz Baré leaving, Dean of Arts under pressure from his (remaining, and furious) staff, VCA protests and their 15,000 signature petition to Parliament, huge numbers of staff applying for redundancy&#8230;. Meanwhile, on Jon Faine&#8217;s radio interview (7 Nov, ABC 774), Glyn Davis maintains that everything is going very well &#8211; couldn&#8217;t be better&#8230; One wonders what it will take before a radical change occurs at that campus.</p>
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		<title>By: km</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-823383</link>
		<dc:creator>km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very sad and unfortunate that education can be manipulated and tainted in this way. The outlook is grim, the student must be aware that it is about bums on seats and not about the University having the student&#039;s best interests at heart. 

These so called executives are morally unstable. They expect thousands of dollars for an unsubstantiated education whose classes are overfilled - under the guidance of overworked lecturers. The debt that then incurs is of concern in this scenario. Are there work opportunities out there for the amount of places they allow (especially in post grad courses), and is a student of an international standard under this crap banner of a &#039;new model&#039;? Nope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very sad and unfortunate that education can be manipulated and tainted in this way. The outlook is grim, the student must be aware that it is about bums on seats and not about the University having the student&#8217;s best interests at heart. </p>
<p>These so called executives are morally unstable. They expect thousands of dollars for an unsubstantiated education whose classes are overfilled &#8211; under the guidance of overworked lecturers. The debt that then incurs is of concern in this scenario. Are there work opportunities out there for the amount of places they allow (especially in post grad courses), and is a student of an international standard under this crap banner of a &#8216;new model&#8217;? Nope!</p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-817639</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Here is the link: http://blogs.theage.com.au/thirddegree/

&lt;EM&gt;RM: link fixed&lt;/EM&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Here is the link: <a href="http://blogs.theage.com.au/thirddegree/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.theage.com.au/thirddegree/</a></p>
<p><em>RM: link fixed</em></p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-817637</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another response on what is happening at Melbourne. It includes the response from the school of historical studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another response on what is happening at Melbourne. It includes the response from the school of historical studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/29/melbourne-universitys-endowment-woes/comment-page-2/#comment-817533</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is just about to graduate with a history PhD from the University of Melbourne, here&#039;s my modest contribution to the discussion. It&#039;s mainly written to inform overseas historians of the situation.

http://airminded.org/2009/08/03/a-dispatch-from-harvard-by-the-yarra/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is just about to graduate with a history PhD from the University of Melbourne, here&#8217;s my modest contribution to the discussion. It&#8217;s mainly written to inform overseas historians of the situation.</p>
<p><a href="http://airminded.org/2009/08/03/a-dispatch-from-harvard-by-the-yarra/" rel="nofollow">http://airminded.org/2009/08/03/a-dispatch-from-harvard-by-the-yarra/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes Ambigulous. A most apposite contrast.

Now take all the known problems with corporate accountability and add in the following:

- no shareholders. Not &#039;weak as piss ones with few actual rights&#039;. Just none.
- no tradition of corporate governance, or managers having, like, management quals.
- an almost limitless ability to sack blameless underlings to cover up your own incompetence.
- no actual bottom line

OTOH, as noted, the incompetence has upsides. They&#039;re pretty easy to roll in a stoush, if you&#039;re determined and united. But it takes a lot of time and effort we dont really have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes Ambigulous. A most apposite contrast.</p>
<p>Now take all the known problems with corporate accountability and add in the following:</p>
<p>- no shareholders. Not &#8216;weak as piss ones with few actual rights&#8217;. Just none.<br />
- no tradition of corporate governance, or managers having, like, management quals.<br />
- an almost limitless ability to sack blameless underlings to cover up your own incompetence.<br />
- no actual bottom line</p>
<p>OTOH, as noted, the incompetence has upsides. They&#8217;re pretty easy to roll in a stoush, if you&#8217;re determined and united. But it takes a lot of time and effort we dont really have.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, BRY

that sounds grim.... Is it as bad as this at other Unis? Are we seeing the long-term effects of Unis having to scramble to find new funds because Fed Govt support has slowly dwindled away?

Now and then someone bemoans the rise of &quot;corporate thinking&quot; in Uni management. What I wonder is this: if &quot;corporate thinking&quot; is bad for Unis, could it also be bad for corporations??

But then I&#039;m reassured because a large company would never over-pay its senior management, especially if they made foolish decisions leading to financial difficulties.... Just wouldn&#039;t happen! The shareholders wouldn&#039;t stand for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, BRY</p>
<p>that sounds grim&#8230;. Is it as bad as this at other Unis? Are we seeing the long-term effects of Unis having to scramble to find new funds because Fed Govt support has slowly dwindled away?</p>
<p>Now and then someone bemoans the rise of &#8220;corporate thinking&#8221; in Uni management. What I wonder is this: if &#8220;corporate thinking&#8221; is bad for Unis, could it also be bad for corporations??</p>
<p>But then I&#8217;m reassured because a large company would never over-pay its senior management, especially if they made foolish decisions leading to financial difficulties&#8230;. Just wouldn&#8217;t happen! The shareholders wouldn&#8217;t stand for it.</p>
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		<title>By: BRY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Darryl, yes the people who call the shots are academics, and they are certainly not dumb but, like politicians, they are generally a &#039;special breed&#039; that yearn to be at the top of the power pyramid. As Lefty E (#60) remarked, they are usually distant from the student population. As far as MU is concerned, the very top levels are like a mafia. Glyn and his cronies took tight control of what was once a fairly open and transparent system. Just remember the previous VC; he went on 6 months leave to the UK, and everything went smoothly. He worked hard to get his next job in Manchester, and the staff back home could concentrate on research and teaching without interference. I didn&#039;t hear of people griping about senior general staff, or support staff. And even if they did, those staff do what they are told/paid to do, as you would expect, and from what I saw, worked hard. 

The fear and uncertainty since Glyn&#039;s arrival wiped out any unified response by the majority of the academic/teaching staff. Things became secretive, no-one was sure of the real goals, the hype and advertising became ever harder to swallow. But you realized it was not a good career move to state the obvious contradictions - your job was potentially on the line. You saw others being pushed out. Hard working academics derided, leaving one-by-one. There was a time when the campus newsletter used to accept letters, and people could say what they liked. Now, it is a propaganda machine; everything on its pages is carefully selected, and is sweet and rosy. You can talk about anything as long as it in no way reflects badly on MU. Sounds a bit like China, doesn&#039;t it. 

Let&#039;s see how many staff respond to the ERP on the uni website, or if indeed the request for staff feedback is yet another blind. Management have already stated publicly they prefer to get rid of staff rather than delay high-profile building projects. 

And when you as an individual staff member are being targeted, where do you go? Human Resources? You have to be joking. They are admin employees who are paid to quickly get rid of problems, and they side with management (admin, heads of departments,Deans). Unless it is an obvious misdemeanor or criminal act, they treat anyone below HoD level as the problem. Afer all, their careers are most likely to be negatively influenced if they don&#039;t side with their employer. An appeal system? Check out the enterprise bargaining agreement at MU. It is a panel selected by the admin. Great. The only folks on MU campus that can give non-admin biased assistance, and that give a damn, are the NTEU. (note: I am not an NTEU employee).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Darryl, yes the people who call the shots are academics, and they are certainly not dumb but, like politicians, they are generally a &#8217;special breed&#8217; that yearn to be at the top of the power pyramid. As Lefty E (#60) remarked, they are usually distant from the student population. As far as MU is concerned, the very top levels are like a mafia. Glyn and his cronies took tight control of what was once a fairly open and transparent system. Just remember the previous VC; he went on 6 months leave to the UK, and everything went smoothly. He worked hard to get his next job in Manchester, and the staff back home could concentrate on research and teaching without interference. I didn&#8217;t hear of people griping about senior general staff, or support staff. And even if they did, those staff do what they are told/paid to do, as you would expect, and from what I saw, worked hard. </p>
<p>The fear and uncertainty since Glyn&#8217;s arrival wiped out any unified response by the majority of the academic/teaching staff. Things became secretive, no-one was sure of the real goals, the hype and advertising became ever harder to swallow. But you realized it was not a good career move to state the obvious contradictions &#8211; your job was potentially on the line. You saw others being pushed out. Hard working academics derided, leaving one-by-one. There was a time when the campus newsletter used to accept letters, and people could say what they liked. Now, it is a propaganda machine; everything on its pages is carefully selected, and is sweet and rosy. You can talk about anything as long as it in no way reflects badly on MU. Sounds a bit like China, doesn&#8217;t it. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how many staff respond to the ERP on the uni website, or if indeed the request for staff feedback is yet another blind. Management have already stated publicly they prefer to get rid of staff rather than delay high-profile building projects. </p>
<p>And when you as an individual staff member are being targeted, where do you go? Human Resources? You have to be joking. They are admin employees who are paid to quickly get rid of problems, and they side with management (admin, heads of departments,Deans). Unless it is an obvious misdemeanor or criminal act, they treat anyone below HoD level as the problem. Afer all, their careers are most likely to be negatively influenced if they don&#8217;t side with their employer. An appeal system? Check out the enterprise bargaining agreement at MU. It is a panel selected by the admin. Great. The only folks on MU campus that can give non-admin biased assistance, and that give a damn, are the NTEU. (note: I am not an NTEU employee).</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a great example: the management numnuts at both Southern Cross and Deakin decided to go to a trimester model this year.

Both put around the view that this is what students wanted - more flexibility, faster timeframes.

The only problem is: students didnt want that. And nobody asked them. Those jokers didnt do any market research.

Turns out international students liked the break to have a look around australia and go on hols; and (wait for this amazing heads-up) domestic students are working so many hjours they wont even contempate doing MORE subjects in a year.

Who didnt know that? Only upper management. 

As a result:
- students are now doing the same number of subjets, but over three semesters instead of two
- so stafff get no research done
- labout costs have gone up, as expected
- BUT no additional fee inocme is being earned,

So, its a NET LOSS to the unis! Nice one, morons!!

And who&#039;ll get the sack to cover it??? Those incomeptent bozos?? No siree.

I ask: would disasters like this have happened under the old collegiate management models? Who holds tese bozos to account? University Council on all too rare occasions, but basically no-one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a great example: the management numnuts at both Southern Cross and Deakin decided to go to a trimester model this year.</p>
<p>Both put around the view that this is what students wanted &#8211; more flexibility, faster timeframes.</p>
<p>The only problem is: students didnt want that. And nobody asked them. Those jokers didnt do any market research.</p>
<p>Turns out international students liked the break to have a look around australia and go on hols; and (wait for this amazing heads-up) domestic students are working so many hjours they wont even contempate doing MORE subjects in a year.</p>
<p>Who didnt know that? Only upper management. </p>
<p>As a result:<br />
- students are now doing the same number of subjets, but over three semesters instead of two<br />
- so stafff get no research done<br />
- labout costs have gone up, as expected<br />
- BUT no additional fee inocme is being earned,</p>
<p>So, its a NET LOSS to the unis! Nice one, morons!!</p>
<p>And who&#8217;ll get the sack to cover it??? Those incomeptent bozos?? No siree.</p>
<p>I ask: would disasters like this have happened under the old collegiate management models? Who holds tese bozos to account? University Council on all too rare occasions, but basically no-one.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of that Darryl (aside from the NTEU v other union membership bit - as I dont know the issues there), but I remain absolutely convinced any dead budget weight in unis lies at the top of the management pyramid, not in teaching and research staff. Or in the general staff who make the place run - in case that wasnt clear.

If you read the UniMelb VCs comments recently - he&#039;s just put a freeze on all general appointments as well. That place is going to go to the dogs, quick smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of that Darryl (aside from the NTEU v other union membership bit &#8211; as I dont know the issues there), but I remain absolutely convinced any dead budget weight in unis lies at the top of the management pyramid, not in teaching and research staff. Or in the general staff who make the place run &#8211; in case that wasnt clear.</p>
<p>If you read the UniMelb VCs comments recently &#8211; he&#8217;s just put a freeze on all general appointments as well. That place is going to go to the dogs, quick smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, upper management doesn&#039;t do that stuff, but it&#039;s &#039;admin&#039; stuff without which none of the teaching and research would get done. I know you and others here know that, but it does bug me that in conversations on this kind of thing it collapses into &#039;academics verses management&#039; which sheets the blame for problems back at what we used to call the &#039;non-academic staff&#039; and neatly avoids the otherwise obvious fact that the people who call the shots in Universities are academics. I&#039;ve very rarely heard academic staff complain about other academics in charge of departments, but I&#039;ve heard vicious complaints from academics about general staff that work for academic managers. All the general staff in universities are accountable to academics and no academics ever report to general staff, but the complaints flow against the chain of accountability.

I sit on one side of the industrial landscape in Universities and I know that the field will always be tilted towards academics, just like in health it will always be tilted to doctors and nurses. I&#039;ve a lot of empathy for the increasingly difficult situation academics are facing. (I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any credible case to make that they are underpaid, but they are awfully overworked and burdened with a lot of &#039;admin&#039; stuff they are generally not good at and prevents them from doing their actual job.) I&#039;ve chosen a career supporting the academic needs of universities and I&#039;m very happy with my choice.

I&#039;m not an member of the NTEU, I don&#039;t trust the NTEU and I urge my colleagues to stay away from them and join a more appropriate union like the ASU, the CPEU or the Misos, but that&#039;s a stoush for another day.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, upper management doesn&#8217;t do that stuff, but it&#8217;s &#8216;admin&#8217; stuff without which none of the teaching and research would get done. I know you and others here know that, but it does bug me that in conversations on this kind of thing it collapses into &#8216;academics verses management&#8217; which sheets the blame for problems back at what we used to call the &#8216;non-academic staff&#8217; and neatly avoids the otherwise obvious fact that the people who call the shots in Universities are academics. I&#8217;ve very rarely heard academic staff complain about other academics in charge of departments, but I&#8217;ve heard vicious complaints from academics about general staff that work for academic managers. All the general staff in universities are accountable to academics and no academics ever report to general staff, but the complaints flow against the chain of accountability.</p>
<p>I sit on one side of the industrial landscape in Universities and I know that the field will always be tilted towards academics, just like in health it will always be tilted to doctors and nurses. I&#8217;ve a lot of empathy for the increasingly difficult situation academics are facing. (I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any credible case to make that they are underpaid, but they are awfully overworked and burdened with a lot of &#8216;admin&#8217; stuff they are generally not good at and prevents them from doing their actual job.) I&#8217;ve chosen a career supporting the academic needs of universities and I&#8217;m very happy with my choice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an member of the NTEU, I don&#8217;t trust the NTEU and I urge my colleagues to stay away from them and join a more appropriate union like the ASU, the CPEU or the Misos, but that&#8217;s a stoush for another day.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upper management doesn&#039;t do any of that stuff, Daz! 

I think you&#039;ll find that general staff who do all those important things are not only NTEU members behind the academic staff, but also themselves directly in the firing line from upper management at Melb.

Upper management should take the hit for their failed investment policies and growth strategies, rather than making academic and general staff pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upper management doesn&#8217;t do any of that stuff, Daz! </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find that general staff who do all those important things are not only NTEU members behind the academic staff, but also themselves directly in the firing line from upper management at Melb.</p>
<p>Upper management should take the hit for their failed investment policies and growth strategies, rather than making academic and general staff pay.</p>
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