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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132985</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is, as the Black Eyed Peas might say, the E.N.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is, as the Black Eyed Peas might say, the E.N.D.</p>
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		<title>By: nerodog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132984</link>
		<dc:creator>nerodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t the normal rules of defamation apply here? How come someone can call a person an anti-semite on the non-basis offered here?  I don&#039;t think that baiting someone passes instead of debate.  It seems clear that some people here think that it is uncool to be interested in 9/11, but I think it is uncool to punish someone for questioning the official conspiracy as told to us by Mr Murdoch, for instance or Mr Rudd&#039;s mob.  As for international financial conspiracies, well there sure is an international corporate system called a banking system run by elites for their own benefit, according to rules most of us don&#039;t have a hope of influencing. Heck, we cannot even withhold our taxes in Australia, which the government just pays to the banks these days, and to finance property development.  What control do most people have over anything financial? It lessens every day. I have no idea and do not care what or which ethnic groups may hold sway over international finances. I know that once in Christian countries Jews were used to collect taxes and, although barred from many professions, could be bankers and collect interest, which was then levied from them in taxes by kings etc.  It isn&#039;t surprising that some people still think that Jews may be over-represented in banks. Although it probably isn&#039;t true, it isn&#039;t a reason to hysterically and defamatorily denounce them as anti-semite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t the normal rules of defamation apply here? How come someone can call a person an anti-semite on the non-basis offered here?  I don&#8217;t think that baiting someone passes instead of debate.  It seems clear that some people here think that it is uncool to be interested in 9/11, but I think it is uncool to punish someone for questioning the official conspiracy as told to us by Mr Murdoch, for instance or Mr Rudd&#8217;s mob.  As for international financial conspiracies, well there sure is an international corporate system called a banking system run by elites for their own benefit, according to rules most of us don&#8217;t have a hope of influencing. Heck, we cannot even withhold our taxes in Australia, which the government just pays to the banks these days, and to finance property development.  What control do most people have over anything financial? It lessens every day. I have no idea and do not care what or which ethnic groups may hold sway over international finances. I know that once in Christian countries Jews were used to collect taxes and, although barred from many professions, could be bankers and collect interest, which was then levied from them in taxes by kings etc.  It isn&#8217;t surprising that some people still think that Jews may be over-represented in banks. Although it probably isn&#8217;t true, it isn&#8217;t a reason to hysterically and defamatorily denounce them as anti-semite.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132983</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in jail again. Let me out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in jail again. Let me out?</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132982</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Casey, is that you know almost nothing about 9/11 and have formed your view based on incidental factors: your antipathy towards your Truther family member, what people in your peer group have told you to think and the fact that one person here claims to have read the NIST reports and I have not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again with the truther relo. I&#039;m telling you it&#039;s not him. He would ghost thump you for a start. But what about this peer group? Dead too? How many voices this time? Probably a lot no doubt. We hail from Berlusconia you know.

But listen. You gotsta get over Fyodor and the jealousy. It&#039;s unseemly. So what if he has a printer and you don&#039;t?   And what do you mean I know almost nothing? You calling me stupid? Well according to you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1aQvm5MrU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you&lt;/a&gt; porkchop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Casey, is that you know almost nothing about 9/11 and have formed your view based on incidental factors: your antipathy towards your Truther family member, what people in your peer group have told you to think and the fact that one person here claims to have read the NIST reports and I have not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again with the truther relo. I&#8217;m telling you it&#8217;s not him. He would ghost thump you for a start. But what about this peer group? Dead too? How many voices this time? Probably a lot no doubt. We hail from Berlusconia you know.</p>
<p>But listen. You gotsta get over Fyodor and the jealousy. It&#8217;s unseemly. So what if he has a printer and you don&#8217;t?   And what do you mean I know almost nothing? You calling me stupid? Well according to you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1aQvm5MrU" rel="nofollow">you</a> porkchop.</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132981</link>
		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn! I missed comment 1954 (the year Alan Turing died).

I think you&#039;re right about Dagget, Mercurius. Yet another failed attempt at the Turing Test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn! I missed comment 1954 (the year Alan Turing died).</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about Dagget, Mercurius. Yet another failed attempt at the Turing Test.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daggett, I gather from Mercurius&#039;s comment that you are actually so completely mad as to believe in The Protocol of the Elders of Zion, or the International Financial Conspiracy run by the Jooooz. Well, I&#039;d sorta guessed this. Anybody who is sick enough to link to a Holocaust-Denier journal as you did way up thread (you know, just before I said you were so disgusting you weren&#039;t worth talking to)is undeniably likely to sooner or later start pouring out the rest of the anti-Semitic shit.
And you have. True to form. You want to be careful you know, Dags, these anti-Jewish theories have been known to drive people stark raving carpet-chewing mad. Or are you at that stage already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daggett, I gather from Mercurius&#8217;s comment that you are actually so completely mad as to believe in The Protocol of the Elders of Zion, or the International Financial Conspiracy run by the Jooooz. Well, I&#8217;d sorta guessed this. Anybody who is sick enough to link to a Holocaust-Denier journal as you did way up thread (you know, just before I said you were so disgusting you weren&#8217;t worth talking to)is undeniably likely to sooner or later start pouring out the rest of the anti-Semitic shit.<br />
And you have. True to form. You want to be careful you know, Dags, these anti-Jewish theories have been known to drive people stark raving carpet-chewing mad. Or are you at that stage already?</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In which case, you will have no problem if I return to my youtube frakkery pronto?

Good.

I&#039;ve done some sea voyages  Daggett but your one takes the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ket-ndpxhPg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cake&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In which case, you will have no problem if I return to my youtube frakkery pronto?</p>
<p>Good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done some sea voyages  Daggett but your one takes the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ket-ndpxhPg" rel="nofollow">cake</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/12/saturday-salon-208/#comment-132978</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s my business how I choose to inform myself on the question and nobody else’s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely not. It is completely my business. Why are you here? To convince all of us here that you speak the truth.  I assert that at nearly 2000 comments you have convinced no one.

And what is your response to that?

You a) tell me you don&#039;t need to read it and provide an analogy to Mein Kampf and Nazism and b) then say you have read parts of it, all the while accusing me of not reading you closely enough.

Schizophrenic. You know.

Why should I read you as closely  as you would like, if you continue to offend every scholarly bone in my body by not reading the one body of work you need to refute, as a basic start? And how else do you offend my intelligence?

You continue to raise the spectre of Nazism whenever you are up against the wall.  Desperation, that way lies.

Further, you cannot admit to reading parts of it as a partial defence. You either read the whole thing or you don&#039;t. You cannot both claim authority from reading parts of it and claim authority from not reading it because it is beneath you.

And anyway, when absolutely pressed what is your excuse? You will not read it on screen? You will not print it out?

Evasions, defence mechanisms not informed by a reasoning intellect but by other psychological spectres all together, no doubt.

Only this remains: You have provided no good reason for not acquainting yourself intimately with its contents. A very basic if you wish to put forward alternate theories as to what really happened.

So what you are telling me then is you do not care if you do not convince anyone, and that you have no wish to be taken seriously at all?

Well who has misled who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s my business how I choose to inform myself on the question and nobody else’s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely not. It is completely my business. Why are you here? To convince all of us here that you speak the truth.  I assert that at nearly 2000 comments you have convinced no one.</p>
<p>And what is your response to that?</p>
<p>You a) tell me you don&#8217;t need to read it and provide an analogy to Mein Kampf and Nazism and b) then say you have read parts of it, all the while accusing me of not reading you closely enough.</p>
<p>Schizophrenic. You know.</p>
<p>Why should I read you as closely  as you would like, if you continue to offend every scholarly bone in my body by not reading the one body of work you need to refute, as a basic start? And how else do you offend my intelligence?</p>
<p>You continue to raise the spectre of Nazism whenever you are up against the wall.  Desperation, that way lies.</p>
<p>Further, you cannot admit to reading parts of it as a partial defence. You either read the whole thing or you don&#8217;t. You cannot both claim authority from reading parts of it and claim authority from not reading it because it is beneath you.</p>
<p>And anyway, when absolutely pressed what is your excuse? You will not read it on screen? You will not print it out?</p>
<p>Evasions, defence mechanisms not informed by a reasoning intellect but by other psychological spectres all together, no doubt.</p>
<p>Only this remains: You have provided no good reason for not acquainting yourself intimately with its contents. A very basic if you wish to put forward alternate theories as to what really happened.</p>
<p>So what you are telling me then is you do not care if you do not convince anyone, and that you have no wish to be taken seriously at all?</p>
<p>Well who has misled who?</p>
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		<title>By: daggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>daggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This is my second attempt to post the following:&lt;/em&gt;

For the record, I am not an anti-Semite as Mercurius&#039;s statements:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m sure you’ll find a way to pin it on the Jooooooooz, Dag.

And that’s why you deserve every ounce of spite you’re gonna get, here and elsewhere.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... seemed to imply.

I had not once, as far as I can recall, used the term &#039;Jew&#039; in that thread, until Paul Burns asked:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you suppose people who believed in the international Jewish financial conspiracy knew what they were talking about?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I responded:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s obvious that there is an international financial conspiracy. How many of those involved in this conspiracy are Jews and how many are not, I can’t say at the moment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... which, in turn, drew the above response from Mercurius.  In any case, my understanding is that Jews, as a group, are over-represented amongst bankers, but as I said, I didn&#039;t even raise that issue in the first place, nor the question of an international Financial conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is my second attempt to post the following:</em></p>
<p>For the record, I am not an anti-Semite as Mercurius&#8217;s statements:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m sure you’ll find a way to pin it on the Jooooooooz, Dag.</p>
<p>And that’s why you deserve every ounce of spite you’re gonna get, here and elsewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; seemed to imply.</p>
<p>I had not once, as far as I can recall, used the term &#8216;Jew&#8217; in that thread, until Paul Burns asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you suppose people who believed in the international Jewish financial conspiracy knew what they were talking about?</p></blockquote>
<p>I responded:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s obvious that there is an international financial conspiracy. How many of those involved in this conspiracy are Jews and how many are not, I can’t say at the moment.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; which, in turn, drew the above response from Mercurius.  In any case, my understanding is that Jews, as a group, are over-represented amongst bankers, but as I said, I didn&#8217;t even raise that issue in the first place, nor the question of an international Financial conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: daggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>daggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846536&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Casey&lt;/a&gt;, what you seem to be telling me is that you know very little about 9/11 and have formed your view based on incidental factors: your antipathy towards your Truther family member, what people in your peer group have told you to think and the fact that one person here claims to have read the NIST reports and I have not.

If there is anything more to it than that, please let me know

How I choose to inform myself on the question is my business  and nobody else&#039;s.  I don&#039;t need to read through the whole of the Warren Commission report to know that it was a cover-up.  I don&#039;t need to read the whole of Mein Kampf to know that Nazism is a crock and I don&#039;t need to read the whole of the 9/11 Commission Report and all the NIST reports to know that they are lies.

If others here want to prove that the NIST reports are worth more than the paper they are written on, then it is up to them to do so.

In fact, I have read the parts of the NIST reports and can see that critical parts are garbage.  If you had read my posts &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845781&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1895&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1889&lt;/a&gt; an &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846473&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1944&lt;/a&gt;, and a good many before that, you would know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846536" rel="nofollow">Casey</a>, what you seem to be telling me is that you know very little about 9/11 and have formed your view based on incidental factors: your antipathy towards your Truther family member, what people in your peer group have told you to think and the fact that one person here claims to have read the NIST reports and I have not.</p>
<p>If there is anything more to it than that, please let me know</p>
<p>How I choose to inform myself on the question is my business  and nobody else&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t need to read through the whole of the Warren Commission report to know that it was a cover-up.  I don&#8217;t need to read the whole of Mein Kampf to know that Nazism is a crock and I don&#8217;t need to read the whole of the 9/11 Commission Report and all the NIST reports to know that they are lies.</p>
<p>If others here want to prove that the NIST reports are worth more than the paper they are written on, then it is up to them to do so.</p>
<p>In fact, I have read the parts of the NIST reports and can see that critical parts are garbage.  If you had read my posts <a href="#comment-845781" rel="nofollow">1895</a>, <a href="#comment-845660" rel="nofollow">1889</a> an <a href="#comment-846473" rel="nofollow">1944</a>, and a good many before that, you would know that.</p>
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