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	<title>Comments on: Green on The Greens in Higgins II</title>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-842294</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say one thing: I was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say one thing: I was right.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wish i lived in Higgins  so i could vote for Clive.
i met him some years ago and he was a very very nice gentleman
educated and new exactly what he was talking about.
I have Never   VOTED GREEN  but i certainly would today if i lived in
Higgins.
Even if its a small swing we can rejoice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wish i lived in Higgins  so i could vote for Clive.<br />
i met him some years ago and he was a very very nice gentleman<br />
educated and new exactly what he was talking about.<br />
I have Never   VOTED GREEN  but i certainly would today if i lived in<br />
Higgins.<br />
Even if its a small swing we can rejoice.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-842135</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; said &lt;i&gt;chance&lt;/i&gt;. The participle &lt;i&gt;said&lt;/i&gt; needs its auxiliary and &lt;i&gt;of&lt;/i&gt; can&#039;t do that work.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should <b><i>have</i></b> said <i>chance</i>. The participle <i>said</i> needs its auxiliary and <i>of</i> can&#8217;t do that work.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry  should of said the CHANCE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry  should of said the CHANCE</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abbotts thinks it will not reflect on him re the change of a win in Higgins and Bradfield by the greens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abbotts thinks it will not reflect on him re the change of a win in Higgins and Bradfield by the greens.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-842031</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Wbb. My money&#039;s 70-30 on Hamilton to bring it home (and, of course, to then lose it next year). Low turnout will favour Greens. 

The short and mid term factors all favour him - this is going to be nothing other than a Lib voters referendum on last weeks spill, and they will cane Abbbot wihtout mercy

And long term: The old two party system is collapsing in the inner cities. Bit like an ice shelf. Alp v Green contests is where this is all heading. Its inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Wbb. My money&#8217;s 70-30 on Hamilton to bring it home (and, of course, to then lose it next year). Low turnout will favour Greens. </p>
<p>The short and mid term factors all favour him &#8211; this is going to be nothing other than a Lib voters referendum on last weeks spill, and they will cane Abbbot wihtout mercy</p>
<p>And long term: The old two party system is collapsing in the inner cities. Bit like an ice shelf. Alp v Green contests is where this is all heading. Its inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
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		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he&#039;s not Rebekka, but I am. 

Clive Hamilton will win Higgins. The Liberals are in utter disarray. Abbott&#039;s standing in a seat like Higgins must be very low - for many reasons, all of them obvious. 

And on the most important issue - climate change - the voters will know where Clive Hamilton stands - but won&#039;t have a clue what the Liberal candidate&#039;s position is. Even if she&#039;s allowed to have one.

OK - when I say the Greens will win - what I mean is that it is probabaly too close to call - but the momentum and positivity of the Greens - the air of desperation that emanates from the Libs - should see Higgins fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he&#8217;s not Rebekka, but I am. </p>
<p>Clive Hamilton will win Higgins. The Liberals are in utter disarray. Abbott&#8217;s standing in a seat like Higgins must be very low &#8211; for many reasons, all of them obvious. </p>
<p>And on the most important issue &#8211; climate change &#8211; the voters will know where Clive Hamilton stands &#8211; but won&#8217;t have a clue what the Liberal candidate&#8217;s position is. Even if she&#8217;s allowed to have one.</p>
<p>OK &#8211; when I say the Greens will win &#8211; what I mean is that it is probabaly too close to call &#8211; but the momentum and positivity of the Greens &#8211; the air of desperation that emanates from the Libs &#8211; should see Higgins fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-841959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would be far more inclined to believe a prediction from Antony Green than from Malcolm Mackerras, he&#039;s not actually going so far as to predict a Greens win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would be far more inclined to believe a prediction from Antony Green than from Malcolm Mackerras, he&#8217;s not actually going so far as to predict a Greens win.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-841956</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam@44

The article provoked the usual howls from those defining socialism as &quot;the wish to regulate others; for big government;&quot; etc i.e the standard Howard-era American- libertarianish talking points. This just underlines the utterly moronic and ignorant audience to which the Oz contrives.

One chap even said that Marx called the workers &quot;stupid asses&quot;, when as everyone who has paid attention knows, he was talking of the financial speculators!

I corrected him on that.

Still, Hamilton is a wowser. I&#039;m glad I don&#039;t live in Higgins because I couldn&#039;t vote for him despite his position on climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam@44</p>
<p>The article provoked the usual howls from those defining socialism as &#8220;the wish to regulate others; for big government;&#8221; etc i.e the standard Howard-era American- libertarianish talking points. This just underlines the utterly moronic and ignorant audience to which the Oz contrives.</p>
<p>One chap even said that Marx called the workers &#8220;stupid asses&#8221;, when as everyone who has paid attention knows, he was talking of the financial speculators!</p>
<p>I corrected him on that.</p>
<p>Still, Hamilton is a wowser. I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t live in Higgins because I couldn&#8217;t vote for him despite his position on climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sez Antony Green: &quot;Until now I would&#039;ve discounted the chances of the Greens winning&quot;. Though it&#039;s not clear what chances he is actually giving them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2762235.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sez Antony Green: &#8220;Until now I would&#8217;ve discounted the chances of the Greens winning&#8221;. Though it&#8217;s not clear what chances he is actually giving them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2762235.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2762235.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-841943</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word on the street is that internal polling showed Costello didn&#039;t *have* a personal vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word on the street is that internal polling showed Costello didn&#8217;t *have* a personal vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Jackmanson has an interesting piece in the Oz today about why teh Left should dismiss Hamilton. 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/green-wowser-is-no-leftie/story-e6frg6zo-1225806770219

Even more interesting is the fact the Oz ran it. Guess they must be concerned Hamilton&#039;s a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Jackmanson has an interesting piece in the Oz today about why teh Left should dismiss Hamilton. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/green-wowser-is-no-leftie/story-e6frg6zo-1225806770219" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/green-wowser-is-no-leftie/story-e6frg6zo-1225806770219</a></p>
<p>Even more interesting is the fact the Oz ran it. Guess they must be concerned Hamilton&#8217;s a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he was also the only one to predict Keating would win in 1993. 

I think its going to be damn close - especially without Costello&#039;s personal vote. Dwyer&#039;s gone to ground, and wont go on radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he was also the only one to predict Keating would win in 1993. </p>
<p>I think its going to be damn close &#8211; especially without Costello&#8217;s personal vote. Dwyer&#8217;s gone to ground, and wont go on radio.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/10/29/green-on-the-greens-in-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-841868</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I certainly hope you&#039;re right, but unfortunately I don&#039;t think the loyalty to the Libs in Higgins is dependent on any particular factor or leader. Those small-l liberals didn&#039;t love John Howard either, but I didn&#039;t notice the Member for Higgins being thrown out because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I certainly hope you&#8217;re right, but unfortunately I don&#8217;t think the loyalty to the Libs in Higgins is dependent on any particular factor or leader. Those small-l liberals didn&#8217;t love John Howard either, but I didn&#8217;t notice the Member for Higgins being thrown out because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone had been fiddling with his pendulum, Rebekka@40.

And maybe the loyalty to a Liberal candidate in Higgins was a bit about tip and less about a love of the hard right. Voters have a chance to stick it to them, the climate change skeptics, and in a few months time make it all nice by voting Kelly in, then. If there are any small &quot;l&quot; liberals around you will find them in Malvern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone had been fiddling with his pendulum, Rebekka@40.</p>
<p>And maybe the loyalty to a Liberal candidate in Higgins was a bit about tip and less about a love of the hard right. Voters have a chance to stick it to them, the climate change skeptics, and in a few months time make it all nice by voting Kelly in, then. If there are any small &#8220;l&#8221; liberals around you will find them in Malvern.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that interesting. Mackerras also predicted that John Kerry would defeat George W. Bush in a &quot;landslide&quot;.

And a 4% swing to Labor in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that interesting. Mackerras also predicted that John Kerry would defeat George W. Bush in a &#8220;landslide&#8221;.</p>
<p>And a 4% swing to Labor in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have a feeling that many in the leafy liberal suburbs would enjoy doing just that, Robert.  You are correct, of course, it is an unlikely result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have a feeling that many in the leafy liberal suburbs would enjoy doing just that, Robert.  You are correct, of course, it is an unlikely result.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think a Greens win in Higgins is highly unlikely.  But if it happens, it&#039;s hard to interpret it as anything other than a massive slap in the face to the hard right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think a Greens win in Higgins is highly unlikely.  But if it happens, it&#8217;s hard to interpret it as anything other than a massive slap in the face to the hard right.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would find that many Higgins voters are listeners to 774 and it is a very bad look. 

I also know the electorate well, Rebekka, having lived there for years. Point taken on Mackerras but it is interesting that he is prepared to call for the greens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would find that many Higgins voters are listeners to 774 and it is a very bad look. </p>
<p>I also know the electorate well, Rebekka, having lived there for years. Point taken on Mackerras but it is interesting that he is prepared to call for the greens.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pollster Malcolm Mackerras has a history of making wild predictions. When some occasionally come true (purely randomly as far as I can tell) he&#039;s then hailed as a prophet.

Higgins residents couldn&#039;t give a stuff whether their Liberal candidates turn up to debate other candidates. Peter Costello never, ever turned up to a candidates&#039; forum, a debate of any sort, or anything where everything couldn&#039;t be carefully scripted and he couldn&#039;t control the questions he was asked, and they kept re-electing him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollster Malcolm Mackerras has a history of making wild predictions. When some occasionally come true (purely randomly as far as I can tell) he&#8217;s then hailed as a prophet.</p>
<p>Higgins residents couldn&#8217;t give a stuff whether their Liberal candidates turn up to debate other candidates. Peter Costello never, ever turned up to a candidates&#8217; forum, a debate of any sort, or anything where everything couldn&#8217;t be carefully scripted and he couldn&#8217;t control the questions he was asked, and they kept re-electing him.</p>
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