Comments on: Another reason to decriminalise abortion

By: David Irving (no relation)

David Irving (no relation) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:48:04 +0000

Spana, my characterisation of your position was deliberately slightly exaggerated to point out its absurdity.

Everyone else got the point, I’m sure.

By: Yobbo

Yobbo — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:41:06 +0000

Somehow or other this gets changed into something like (a) most are here only to buy visas;

My girlfriend is from Taiwan and buying a visa is absolutely the reason her and about 6 of her mates decided to enroll in colleges here.

Just because you don’t like that fact doesn’t mean it isn’t true. The majority of non-univerity “education” TEFL institutions are absolutely in the business of selling visas.

By: billie

billie — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:57:18 +0000

McGauran’s action set off a witch hunt that tarnished the reputations of the doctors at RWH. It took years for the doctors and the hospital to clear their names, meanwhile funding is cut, doctors change specialities and women get poorer quality health care.

What were his motives? McGauran has a reputation for being dull. Was he trying to increase funding to the Catholic maternity hospital?

The Mercy Hospital is funded to deliver 12% of babies in Melbourne. As it’s a Catholic Hospital it will not give contraceptive advice, tie fallopian tubes or perform terminations. The women in the feeder zone for this hospital get substandard care which the grateful taxpayer pays for. Ethicists are questioning the accountability over the standard of service provided by tax payer money.

By: Helen

Helen — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:22:55 +0000

No, that was a health of mother issue. She was seriously unwell and the abortion wasn’t done until it had been past doctors and ethicists.
What “Spana” doesn’t mention is that Julian McGauran, the piece of human shit who thought it OK to publish a woman’s private medical records to advance his personal political agenda, could only find one example that was as lineball as that. That’s because they’re not as awfully common as the forced-birthers would like to make out. Don’t be in any doubt about the fact that the awful McGauran would have been happy to exploit other cases, had he been able to find any.

By: billie

billie — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:01:34 +0000

Most abortions occur before 12 weeks, like probably 98% or more. Abortions that take place after 12 weeks are dangerous to womans health and a much more complicated procedure with far more emotional angst.

When a foetus dies in utero in the third trimester, its generally not viable and it is a distressing and complex procedure to remove a dead foetus.

You don’t know whether the dwarf highlighted by Senator Julian McGauran in Parliament was viable or seriously disabled. Would you trust the word of that reactionary climate denialist misogynist? McGauran is staunchly single so he isn’t going to rear a disabled child and he isn’t interested in your children inheriting a liveable planet.

By: Spana

Spana — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:11:48 +0000

David David, once again pro abortionists confuse abortion with birth control. Birth control prevents a pregnancy, a life being created. Abortion ends an already created life. At least stick to the facts. As usual the abortion lobby focuses on life at 6 weeks and ignores the horrific relity of abortion past 20 weeks, such as the horrific case of the baby diagnosed as a dwarf and killed by lethal injection at over 30 weeks. Injecting a baby with poison to end its life before delivery is not just about a bunch of cells. This baby was a life which was fully viable. It was a child. The choice was between delivering a dead baby or a living one. Oh wait, Billie has just informed us that there is no such thing as an unborn child. Umm, 31 weeks? 36 weeks? 39 weeks? Nope. According to Billie a second before birth there is no unborn child. Just a woman/couples right to ignore science and kill what they don’t want. Seriously Billie? Do you really believe that?

By: Anna Winter

Anna Winter — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:06:20 +0000

Wevs, Spana.

Until you start advocating for forced blood and organ donation then you don’t get to pick and choose which people are forced to give their bodies to keep another person alive.

By: billie

billie — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:58:01 +0000

Rainne @ 48, That comment was made because the discussion was getting emotional about the high number of abortions performed on students from abroad which I put into some perspective by pointing out that a third of university students come from abroad. All male and female students can benefit from sex education, access to accurate fertility, contraceptive and STI information.

No I don’t know if women presenting for abortion are more likely to be students, women with children, women without partners. I don’t know the Adelaide abortion scene so I don’t know whether students frequent the Adelaide Womens Hospital and mature women use Marie Stopes or other private clinic.

By: rainne

rainne — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:10:22 +0000

Of course “one in three abortions at the Women’s and Children’s Hospital in Adelaide is performed on students from abroad.” because one in three tertiary students comes from abroad.

Billie, this only makes sense if you claim that all abortions are performed on students. Which is patently untrue.

By: David Irving (no relation)

David Irving (no relation) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:58:02 +0000

billie, I don’t think Spana will stop talking nonsense until we all agree that birth control is sinful, that women should have no right to decide what happens to their bodies, and that zygotes are fully human, and thus have even more rights than the women who carry them.