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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/11/remembering-total-war/#comment-120521</link>
		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a one, Euclid, but he was a bit more entertaining than Cauchy.</description>
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		<title>By: Euclid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euclid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Irving, I&#039;m shocked. Did this Ramjet person prove any theorems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Irving, I&#8217;m shocked. Did this Ramjet person prove any theorems?</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Henry Casingbroke</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/11/remembering-total-war/#comment-120519</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Henry Casingbroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sterling Hayden played Jack D. Ripper. In checking the Wiki entry on Dr Strangelove, some gems turned up. I quote directly:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Slim Pickens, an established character actor and veteran of many Western films, was chosen to replace Sellers as Major Kong after Sellers injured his leg and couldn&#039;t do takes inside the plane cockpit. Terry Southern&#039;s biographer, Lee Hill, said the part was originally written with John Wayne in mind, and that Wayne was offered the role after Sellers was injured but he immediately turned it down. Dan Blocker of the Bonanza western TV series was approached to play the part, but according to Southern, Blocker&#039;s agent rejected the script as being &quot;too pinko.&quot; Kubrick then recruited Pickens.

Kubrick tricked Scott into playing the role of Gen. Turgidson far more ridiculously than Scott was comfortable doing. Kubrick talked Scott into doing &quot;over the top&quot; practice takes, which Kubrick told Scott would never be used, as a way to warm up for the &quot;real&quot; takes. Kubrick used these takes in the final film, causing Scott to swear never to work with Kubrick again.

During the filming, Kubrick and Scott had different opinions regarding certain scenes, but Kubrick got Scott to conform largely by repeatedly beating Scott at chess, which they played frequently on the set. Scott, a skilled player himself, later said that while he and Kubrick may not have always seen eye to eye, he respected Kubrick immensely for his skill at chess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sterling Hayden played Jack D. Ripper. In checking the Wiki entry on Dr Strangelove, some gems turned up. I quote directly:</p>
<blockquote><p> Slim Pickens, an established character actor and veteran of many Western films, was chosen to replace Sellers as Major Kong after Sellers injured his leg and couldn&#8217;t do takes inside the plane cockpit. Terry Southern&#8217;s biographer, Lee Hill, said the part was originally written with John Wayne in mind, and that Wayne was offered the role after Sellers was injured but he immediately turned it down. Dan Blocker of the Bonanza western TV series was approached to play the part, but according to Southern, Blocker&#8217;s agent rejected the script as being &#8220;too pinko.&#8221; Kubrick then recruited Pickens.</p>
<p>Kubrick tricked Scott into playing the role of Gen. Turgidson far more ridiculously than Scott was comfortable doing. Kubrick talked Scott into doing &#8220;over the top&#8221; practice takes, which Kubrick told Scott would never be used, as a way to warm up for the &#8220;real&#8221; takes. Kubrick used these takes in the final film, causing Scott to swear never to work with Kubrick again.</p>
<p>During the filming, Kubrick and Scott had different opinions regarding certain scenes, but Kubrick got Scott to conform largely by repeatedly beating Scott at chess, which they played frequently on the set. Scott, a skilled player himself, later said that while he and Kubrick may not have always seen eye to eye, he respected Kubrick immensely for his skill at chess.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/11/remembering-total-war/#comment-120518</link>
		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curtis Le May was represented by Col Jack D. Ripper, Sir Henry. I can&#039;t remember the actor&#039;s name, though. (I think Scott played Gen Buck Turgidson - Kubrick obviously had a ball with the names.)

As for Roger Ramjet, Chookie, we used to skive off from Maths lectures to watch it at Uni. I think it got ignored because it was for children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis Le May was represented by Col Jack D. Ripper, Sir Henry. I can&#8217;t remember the actor&#8217;s name, though. (I think Scott played Gen Buck Turgidson &#8211; Kubrick obviously had a ball with the names.)</p>
<p>As for Roger Ramjet, Chookie, we used to skive off from Maths lectures to watch it at Uni. I think it got ignored because it was for children.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Henry Casingbroke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Henry Casingbroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s hear for James Forrestal the bloke who nearly brought us WWIII. I am wondering whether the George C. Scott character in Dr Strangelove is based on him or Curtis Le May or a combination of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s hear for James Forrestal the bloke who nearly brought us WWIII. I am wondering whether the George C. Scott character in Dr Strangelove is based on him or Curtis Le May or a combination of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Chookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still wondering how Roger Ramjet was allowed to be broadcast in 1965!  Wonder what Hoover&#039;s reaction was?</description>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for satirical war films...&quot;

w/r/t more recent efforts, &quot;In the Loop&quot; is pretty hard to beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for satirical war films&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>w/r/t more recent efforts, &#8220;In the Loop&#8221; is pretty hard to beat.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Armagny, any total war between major industrial powers would go nuclear.

Even if it didn’t, the combination of modern guidance systems and modern aircraft would make “area bombing” far more lethal than it ever was in WWII. And it was plenty lethal then.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A lot of assumptions here. If you&#039;ve got precision guided munitions, you don&#039;t need to do area bombing: you can selectively take out factories/communications/whathaveyou. So no need for high civilian casualties, unless of course that is your actual intention, in which case you may as well just go nuclear in the first place. But I doubt a conventional air war these days would be anything like Dresden or Tokyo, or even Hanoi.

As for satirical war films, may I humbly submit Oh! What a Lovely War for your consideration. (Though it can&#039;t match Strangelove.) Something more modern -- Three Kings, maybe? Though maybe it wasn&#039;t really antiwar as such, it&#039;s a while since I saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Armagny, any total war between major industrial powers would go nuclear.</p>
<p>Even if it didn’t, the combination of modern guidance systems and modern aircraft would make “area bombing” far more lethal than it ever was in WWII. And it was plenty lethal then.</p></blockquote>
<p>A lot of assumptions here. If you&#8217;ve got precision guided munitions, you don&#8217;t need to do area bombing: you can selectively take out factories/communications/whathaveyou. So no need for high civilian casualties, unless of course that is your actual intention, in which case you may as well just go nuclear in the first place. But I doubt a conventional air war these days would be anything like Dresden or Tokyo, or even Hanoi.</p>
<p>As for satirical war films, may I humbly submit Oh! What a Lovely War for your consideration. (Though it can&#8217;t match Strangelove.) Something more modern &#8212; Three Kings, maybe? Though maybe it wasn&#8217;t really antiwar as such, it&#8217;s a while since I saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrickB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, what about F Troop, talk about making fun of military heritage, incompetence, corruption, anyone would think it&#039;s the JSF project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, what about F Troop, talk about making fun of military heritage, incompetence, corruption, anyone would think it&#8217;s the JSF project.</p>
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		<title>By: Fundamentally Firked</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fundamentally Firked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ratty’s schtick as the digger in “Keating, the Musical” was quite amusing.&quot;

Yeah but the shows mentioned were far more mainstream. I&#039;d say that the real problem is that those shows just used the war as their situation. They hardly paid it any heed. That&#039;s seen as taboo nowadays. Even Blackadder treated the war with some gravity.

If you want real satire then view the Beyond the Fringe&#039;s &quot;The Aftermyth of War&quot; (circa 1962)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5YW4qKOAVM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ratty’s schtick as the digger in “Keating, the Musical” was quite amusing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah but the shows mentioned were far more mainstream. I&#8217;d say that the real problem is that those shows just used the war as their situation. They hardly paid it any heed. That&#8217;s seen as taboo nowadays. Even Blackadder treated the war with some gravity.</p>
<p>If you want real satire then view the Beyond the Fringe&#8217;s &#8220;The Aftermyth of War&#8221; (circa 1962)<br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/11/remembering-total-war/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/Y5YW4qKOAVM/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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