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	<title>Comments on: Tripodi tipped out in Rees reshuffle</title>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/15/tripodi-tipped-out-in-rees-reshuffle/#comment-121367</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NSW Labor supporters (and I used to be one) all seem to have turned into  navel-gazing shitheads. But hey, what can you do? Whine about the Libs. Sure, that&#039;ll work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NSW Labor supporters (and I used to be one) all seem to have turned into  navel-gazing shitheads. But hey, what can you do? Whine about the Libs. Sure, that&#8217;ll work.</p>
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		<title>By: Baraholka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/15/tripodi-tipped-out-in-rees-reshuffle/#comment-121366</link>
		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

&lt;i&gt;I feel no sense of obligation to any politician who claims credit for a barely adequate service provided by underresourced people, let alone the sort of gratitude demanded by Labor.&lt;/i&gt;

Yep. NSW Labor act like the husband who expects a round of applause from his wife because he&#039;s cooked tinned soup for the kid&#039;s dinner one Saturday. &#039;Waddaya mean it&#039;s not brilliant ?&#039;.

But how did it come to this pass ? How exactly did we end up with &lt;strong&gt;Tripodi&lt;/strong&gt; as de-facto Premier of NSW for 14 months. To what extent was Carr complicit in the development of this Cabinet of self-interested trough-swillers ? To what extent did he mitigate it ? Same for Arbib. Did he leave because of the stench or the boredom? To what extent did Arbib build this gluttonous sloth that masquerades as a government? Will he help develop the same
monstrosity for Rudd ?

If you&#039;re in the mood for writing an essay I&#039;d like to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p><i>I feel no sense of obligation to any politician who claims credit for a barely adequate service provided by underresourced people, let alone the sort of gratitude demanded by Labor.</i></p>
<p>Yep. NSW Labor act like the husband who expects a round of applause from his wife because he&#8217;s cooked tinned soup for the kid&#8217;s dinner one Saturday. &#8216;Waddaya mean it&#8217;s not brilliant ?&#8217;.</p>
<p>But how did it come to this pass ? How exactly did we end up with <strong>Tripodi</strong> as de-facto Premier of NSW for 14 months. To what extent was Carr complicit in the development of this Cabinet of self-interested trough-swillers ? To what extent did he mitigate it ? Same for Arbib. Did he leave because of the stench or the boredom? To what extent did Arbib build this gluttonous sloth that masquerades as a government? Will he help develop the same<br />
monstrosity for Rudd ?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in the mood for writing an essay I&#8217;d like to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/15/tripodi-tipped-out-in-rees-reshuffle/#comment-121365</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginja, I regard basic services provided by state government as just that - basic services. I feel no sense of obligation to any politician who claims credit for a barely adequate service provided by underresourced people, let alone the sort of gratitude demanded by Labor. You saw what the trains were like during the Olympics and you know they could be like that again. Do a bit of travelling to places the Cityrail network doesn&#039;t go to and know that those who blew so many chances deserve nothing. Nothing.

If you work in state government offices, as I have, you&#039;ll see the better public servants have Victorian government manuals on their desks. Why? Because Victorians have the closest thing this country has to joined-up government. NSW leads the nation in nothing for which the state government can take credit.

If you want to find examples of far-right tendencies in the NSW Liberals, you&#039;ll find them (just like Liberal voters find evidence of &quot;socialism&quot; where socialists themselves find only despair. Relying on Hansard to judge a political party is like diagnosing someone&#039;s health by taking their temperature. You&#039;ll find the far-right being pushed to the margins, and in my experience they shriek loudest when they&#039;re being screwed, so shriek away boys and fool people like Ginja.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginja, I regard basic services provided by state government as just that &#8211; basic services. I feel no sense of obligation to any politician who claims credit for a barely adequate service provided by underresourced people, let alone the sort of gratitude demanded by Labor. You saw what the trains were like during the Olympics and you know they could be like that again. Do a bit of travelling to places the Cityrail network doesn&#8217;t go to and know that those who blew so many chances deserve nothing. Nothing.</p>
<p>If you work in state government offices, as I have, you&#8217;ll see the better public servants have Victorian government manuals on their desks. Why? Because Victorians have the closest thing this country has to joined-up government. NSW leads the nation in nothing for which the state government can take credit.</p>
<p>If you want to find examples of far-right tendencies in the NSW Liberals, you&#8217;ll find them (just like Liberal voters find evidence of &#8220;socialism&#8221; where socialists themselves find only despair. Relying on Hansard to judge a political party is like diagnosing someone&#8217;s health by taking their temperature. You&#8217;ll find the far-right being pushed to the margins, and in my experience they shriek loudest when they&#8217;re being screwed, so shriek away boys and fool people like Ginja.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baraholka, Libs can do plenty of damage at state level.  I&#039;m not sure that even well-informed people have confronted just how extreme the Coalition has become.  If you want to see just how extreme, trawl through Hansard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baraholka, Libs can do plenty of damage at state level.  I&#8217;m not sure that even well-informed people have confronted just how extreme the Coalition has become.  If you want to see just how extreme, trawl through Hansard.</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do I, Baraholka. Certainly the current incumbents aren&#039;t as incompetent as Bannon&#039;s govt was, but they aren&#039;t real flash. OTOH, the Libs make them look fantastic.

If you remember Bannon, you&#039;d also remember some of the ... &lt;em&gt;questionable&lt;/em&gt; ... decisions Olsen made - the Motorola deal, the Southwestern Freeway, selling the electricity and water, ... the list goes on.

Far be it from me to suggest there might have been a couple of really nice lunches involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do I, Baraholka. Certainly the current incumbents aren&#8217;t as incompetent as Bannon&#8217;s govt was, but they aren&#8217;t real flash. OTOH, the Libs make them look fantastic.</p>
<p>If you remember Bannon, you&#8217;d also remember some of the &#8230; <em>questionable</em> &#8230; decisions Olsen made &#8211; the Motorola deal, the Southwestern Freeway, selling the electricity and water, &#8230; the list goes on.</p>
<p>Far be it from me to suggest there might have been a couple of really nice lunches involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Baraholka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.

I remember the Bannon years.
Incompetence come in Red &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Blue and is not ideologically constrained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>I remember the Bannon years.<br />
Incompetence come in Red <i>and</i> Blue and is not ideologically constrained.</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baraholka, the last Liberal govt we had in SA sold off the electricity, which has brought out the rent-seekers in droves (and increased the price for no real benefit), along with a few other ... err ... unfortunate decisions. The current Labor government will probably stay in for another 20 years on the back of that. While I don&#039;t think they&#039;re particularly corrupt, they are spectacularly inept.

They&#039;re still streets ahead of the alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baraholka, the last Liberal govt we had in SA sold off the electricity, which has brought out the rent-seekers in droves (and increased the price for no real benefit), along with a few other &#8230; err &#8230; unfortunate decisions. The current Labor government will probably stay in for another 20 years on the back of that. While I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re particularly corrupt, they are spectacularly inept.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re still streets ahead of the alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Baraholka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginja,

I take your points. But this is a State Govt.
Making the choo-choos go round and so on. It&#039;s all about Service Delivery Very run of the mill stuff, most of which will ne handled by bureacrats while the MPs travel around in shiny cars.

O&#039;Farrell won&#039;t invade Iraq.

And I doubt the NSW Right sings The Internationale except on fancy dress night. Is the ideological distance really very far ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginja,</p>
<p>I take your points. But this is a State Govt.<br />
Making the choo-choos go round and so on. It&#8217;s all about Service Delivery Very run of the mill stuff, most of which will ne handled by bureacrats while the MPs travel around in shiny cars.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Farrell won&#8217;t invade Iraq.</p>
<p>And I doubt the NSW Right sings The Internationale except on fancy dress night. Is the ideological distance really very far ?</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely, Ginja - the worst, most corrupt ALP government imaginable is still marginally better that the Libs.

That&#039;s why I vote Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely, Ginja &#8211; the worst, most corrupt ALP government imaginable is still marginally better that the Libs.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I vote Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew E: well, give me examples.  Not some beat-up in the Telegraph, real examples.  Have you travelled by train in the last year or two?  From my experience service has improved in the last 5 years or so.  I can&#039;t remember the last time a train was seriously late.

The Libs are no longer banging on about NSW being a basket case economically.  Why?  Because it&#039;s actually doing better than the other states.

Baraholka, many on the Left were so disgusted with the Keating government in &#039;96 they decided to give Labor a firm kicking.  After all, John Howard was making all kinds of moderate noises and how bad could it be?  After dogs and balaclavas on the waterfront, the cynical use of the Tampa incident and the co-opting of Hansonism, Iraq, indifference to global warming (indeed the active wrecking of international talks by Howard), and the most extreme IR laws ever introduced into a modern western democracy, many understood how bad it could be.

You&#039;ll learn this the hard way if the Libs get in.  Back in &#039;88 when Greiner won there still was a moderate faction in the Liberal Party - that faction no longer exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew E: well, give me examples.  Not some beat-up in the Telegraph, real examples.  Have you travelled by train in the last year or two?  From my experience service has improved in the last 5 years or so.  I can&#8217;t remember the last time a train was seriously late.</p>
<p>The Libs are no longer banging on about NSW being a basket case economically.  Why?  Because it&#8217;s actually doing better than the other states.</p>
<p>Baraholka, many on the Left were so disgusted with the Keating government in &#8217;96 they decided to give Labor a firm kicking.  After all, John Howard was making all kinds of moderate noises and how bad could it be?  After dogs and balaclavas on the waterfront, the cynical use of the Tampa incident and the co-opting of Hansonism, Iraq, indifference to global warming (indeed the active wrecking of international talks by Howard), and the most extreme IR laws ever introduced into a modern western democracy, many understood how bad it could be.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll learn this the hard way if the Libs get in.  Back in &#8217;88 when Greiner won there still was a moderate faction in the Liberal Party &#8211; that faction no longer exists.</p>
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