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		<title>By: KeIthY</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121492</link>
		<dc:creator>KeIthY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The politics of fear is a very potent weapon! Well, change is scary so it harmonises well and can so easily be used... I would have to say these reasons dictate why the debate is as lame as it is! Once the metrosexuals lose some skin then we can expect to see an acceleration toward Renewable Energy! I think a graffitti campaign at this point in time would do wonders myself: Abbott acknowledged that the election race is now on.....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The politics of fear is a very potent weapon! Well, change is scary so it harmonises well and can so easily be used&#8230; I would have to say these reasons dictate why the debate is as lame as it is! Once the metrosexuals lose some skin then we can expect to see an acceleration toward Renewable Energy! I think a graffitti campaign at this point in time would do wonders myself: Abbott acknowledged that the election race is now on&#8230;..!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121491</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>murph, I had a bit of a look at that one last night. Firstly, it&#039;s hard to see why the Bligh Government ever saw it as appropriate to hide the report from the public.

Second, it looks like a pretty thorough study.

What it means, I think, is that Qld graziers, where restraints on tree clearing have saved the nation&#039;s bacon in terms of conforming (somewhat) to our Kyoto undertakings, can now more properly claim such restrictions as cover for their own economic activities.

Taken with a couple of other possible developments, the report puts a whole new perspective on the beef industry. I&#039;m still planning a post on the issue, hopefully early next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>murph, I had a bit of a look at that one last night. Firstly, it&#8217;s hard to see why the Bligh Government ever saw it as appropriate to hide the report from the public.</p>
<p>Second, it looks like a pretty thorough study.</p>
<p>What it means, I think, is that Qld graziers, where restraints on tree clearing have saved the nation&#8217;s bacon in terms of conforming (somewhat) to our Kyoto undertakings, can now more properly claim such restrictions as cover for their own economic activities.</p>
<p>Taken with a couple of other possible developments, the report puts a whole new perspective on the beef industry. I&#8217;m still planning a post on the issue, hopefully early next week.</p>
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		<title>By: murph the surf.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121490</link>
		<dc:creator>murph the surf.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A study from the Queensland Department of Agriculture. A&quot;Climate breakthrough&quot; no less.
But for the actions of the 4th estate ( in this case Queensland Country Life ) apparently it would have been suppressed by those inveterate &quot;Bush Bashers&quot; the Bligh government.( Note the great job for the family member- shades of a Tripodiasation going on ???)
Lo and behold 2 minutes later the report IS released.
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The first story
http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/climate-breakthrough-cattle-carbon-neutral/1681718.aspx?src=enews
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The story&#039;s releases occurs! Hooray!-http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/mulherin-releases-report-into-beefs-net-carbon-emissions/1681764.aspx
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The link to the summary and the report itself.
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/27_15803.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A study from the Queensland Department of Agriculture. A&#8221;Climate breakthrough&#8221; no less.<br />
But for the actions of the 4th estate ( in this case Queensland Country Life ) apparently it would have been suppressed by those inveterate &#8220;Bush Bashers&#8221; the Bligh government.( Note the great job for the family member- shades of a Tripodiasation going on ???)<br />
Lo and behold 2 minutes later the report IS released.<br />
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The first story<br />
<a href="http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/climate-breakthrough-cattle-carbon-neutral/1681718.aspx?src=enews" rel="nofollow">http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/climate-breakthrough-cattle-carbon-neutral/1681718.aspx?src=enews</a><br />
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The story&#8217;s releases occurs! Hooray!-http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/mulherin-releases-report-into-beefs-net-carbon-emissions/1681764.aspx<br />
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The link to the summary and the report itself.<br />
<a href="http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/27_15803.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/27_15803.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121489</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Korea has announced &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091117/wl_asia_afp/climatewarmingskorea&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;voluntary cuts of 4%&lt;/a&gt; in emissions from 2005 levels by 2020.

In per capita terms their GPD is &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Korea,%20South&amp;countryCode=ks&amp;regionCode=eas&amp;rank=50#ks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;$27,700 (PPP)&lt;/a&gt;, just behind New Zealand, so some effort of this kind is not out of place. It would seem that they have matched what the US might do.

I guess om balance in the circumstances it&#039;s welcome - just!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Korea has announced <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091117/wl_asia_afp/climatewarmingskorea" rel="nofollow">voluntary cuts of 4%</a> in emissions from 2005 levels by 2020.</p>
<p>In per capita terms their GPD is <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Korea,%20South&amp;countryCode=ks&amp;regionCode=eas&amp;rank=50#ks" rel="nofollow">$27,700 (PPP)</a>, just behind New Zealand, so some effort of this kind is not out of place. It would seem that they have matched what the US might do.</p>
<p>I guess om balance in the circumstances it&#8217;s welcome &#8211; just!</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121488</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plimer in Australian today: “the more energy a country uses the richer it becomes”&quot;

Yes - in the short term, Plimer - but in the long run we&#039;s all dead, mate.

The 80s and 90s were boring. You had to content yourself with reading about the fall of civilisations. Today we get to participate. That&#039;s heaps more fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plimer in Australian today: “the more energy a country uses the richer it becomes”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; in the short term, Plimer &#8211; but in the long run we&#8217;s all dead, mate.</p>
<p>The 80s and 90s were boring. You had to content yourself with reading about the fall of civilisations. Today we get to participate. That&#8217;s heaps more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121487</link>
		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously, it’s not my part of the world, but how much of either part of South Australia has a significant fuel load – and, from the other side of the fence, where the hell are people in those remote aeras going to evacuate to that’s significantly safer?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I pondered the last part myself, especially when I heard the school at Ernabella was going to be closed.  But Robert, you should check that country out sometime, get on yer bike....well maybe not a road bike, but a bike, and go for a ride up the track [prickle guards required], it&#039;s great country, and for the most part quite vegetated.  There would be a lot more vegetation if it weren&#039;t for the grazing too.  There is a LOT of really stunning ancient native pines around Roxby Downs...see it while it&#039;s still there!

Mulga makes the best damper for it&#039;s slow, consistent burning, so I would say the Mulga Scrub could be a pretty intense fire. Those slow growing, dense desert woods would definitely create some heat.

On a side note, I saw a great presentation by some of the older women from the APY lands on mosaic burning of the spinfex and scrub country in north west SA at the Ecology conference I went to, it was interesting to learn that the women took responsibility for that.

I guess a big part of the problem for the CFS is just the size of those fire ban zones in the north, they&#039;re huge, so advice for one area may be quite redundant for another, but what else can they do?...micromanage every town?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seriously, it’s not my part of the world, but how much of either part of South Australia has a significant fuel load – and, from the other side of the fence, where the hell are people in those remote aeras going to evacuate to that’s significantly safer?</p></blockquote>
<p>I pondered the last part myself, especially when I heard the school at Ernabella was going to be closed.  But Robert, you should check that country out sometime, get on yer bike&#8230;.well maybe not a road bike, but a bike, and go for a ride up the track [prickle guards required], it&#8217;s great country, and for the most part quite vegetated.  There would be a lot more vegetation if it weren&#8217;t for the grazing too.  There is a LOT of really stunning ancient native pines around Roxby Downs&#8230;see it while it&#8217;s still there!</p>
<p>Mulga makes the best damper for it&#8217;s slow, consistent burning, so I would say the Mulga Scrub could be a pretty intense fire. Those slow growing, dense desert woods would definitely create some heat.</p>
<p>On a side note, I saw a great presentation by some of the older women from the APY lands on mosaic burning of the spinfex and scrub country in north west SA at the Ecology conference I went to, it was interesting to learn that the women took responsibility for that.</p>
<p>I guess a big part of the problem for the CFS is just the size of those fire ban zones in the north, they&#8217;re huge, so advice for one area may be quite redundant for another, but what else can they do?&#8230;micromanage every town?</p>
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		<title>By: KeIthY</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121486</link>
		<dc:creator>KeIthY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Peter, @ 62 you&#039;re talking about taking the &#039;communist pill&#039; as if giving tax-payers money to banks is the holy-grail.... hand over the drugs NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Peter, @ 62 you&#8217;re talking about taking the &#8216;communist pill&#8217; as if giving tax-payers money to banks is the holy-grail&#8230;. hand over the drugs NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: KeitHy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121485</link>
		<dc:creator>KeitHy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter @ 65: Capitalism didn&#039;t get us to the moon! Where did you get your education?!? {Was your Dad a spun-out real-estate agent by any chance?!!!?} You sound a little pushy to me so I&#039;m going to start calling you a Fascist if you don&#039;t watch it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter @ 65: Capitalism didn&#8217;t get us to the moon! Where did you get your education?!? {Was your Dad a spun-out real-estate agent by any chance?!!!?} You sound a little pushy to me so I&#8217;m going to start calling you a Fascist if you don&#8217;t watch it!</p>
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		<title>By: KeItHy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121484</link>
		<dc:creator>KeItHy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George D @ 100: I think we all expect a killa bushfire season!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George D @ 100: I think we all expect a killa bushfire season!!!</p>
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		<title>By: myriad74</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/16/climate-clippings/#comment-121483</link>
		<dc:creator>myriad74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why wouldn&#039;t they sign if they are in line for massive amounts of domestic compensation in their &lt;strike&gt;fiefdoms&lt;/strike&gt; countries of operation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why wouldn&#8217;t they sign if they are in line for massive amounts of domestic compensation in their <strike>fiefdoms</strike> countries of operation?</p>
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