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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838787</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linked to that on a new post:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/d-day-for-the-liberals-and-the-governments-cprs-giveaway/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linked to that on a new post:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/d-day-for-the-liberals-and-the-governments-cprs-giveaway/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/d-day-for-the-liberals-and-the-governments-cprs-giveaway/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838785</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gah. 

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/11/24/turnbulls-torment-robb-turns-on-his-leader/

going by A. Crabb on twitter there was a lot of nervous list-checking and whispered convos with Hockey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gah. </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/11/24/turnbulls-torment-robb-turns-on-his-leader/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/11/24/turnbulls-torment-robb-turns-on-his-leader/</a></p>
<p>going by A. Crabb on twitter there was a lot of nervous list-checking and whispered convos with Hockey.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838784</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may now be &lt;a&gt;academic&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may now be <a>academic</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838753</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Malcolm&#039;s biggest problems is he is convinced he is much, much smarter than everyone else. That is why he couldn&#039;t sit by and let Brendan Nelson go to an unwinnable election, and why he wouldn&#039;t make a good minister for a significant period of time. He&#039;d want to be leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Malcolm&#8217;s biggest problems is he is convinced he is much, much smarter than everyone else. That is why he couldn&#8217;t sit by and let Brendan Nelson go to an unwinnable election, and why he wouldn&#8217;t make a good minister for a significant period of time. He&#8217;d want to be leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838723</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam@22,
Yeah, but Malcolm wouldn&#039;t want that, Sam. He&#039;d want to be leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam@22,<br />
Yeah, but Malcolm wouldn&#8217;t want that, Sam. He&#8217;d want to be leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838720</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul 21, I didn&#039;t say that he would or could or should become leader of the Labor Party. Every man has his limitations, and Malcolm&#039;s have been clearly exposed. He is not a leader. That is obvious.

But I do think he could make a good cabinet minister in Rudd&#039;s government. I think he could have the imagination and smarts to be be a good industry minister, for instance. Much better than that space waster, Kim Carr, in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul 21, I didn&#8217;t say that he would or could or should become leader of the Labor Party. Every man has his limitations, and Malcolm&#8217;s have been clearly exposed. He is not a leader. That is obvious.</p>
<p>But I do think he could make a good cabinet minister in Rudd&#8217;s government. I think he could have the imagination and smarts to be be a good industry minister, for instance. Much better than that space waster, Kim Carr, in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838717</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam@19,
Nobody in the ALP would want Malcolm. By joining the Libs he sort of ratted on his republican principles. Besides, his leadership ambitions would somewhat unsettle a whole heap of much more promising ministers on the Labor side.
Malcolm actually isn&#039;t a very good leader for a political party. Challenging people to dump you if they won&#039;t go along with your personal beliefs as he did on CC was not a smart political move within the Opposition, as much as I applaud it. Godwin Gretch/Utegate was political stupidity of the highest order. And, while there are serious questions to be asked about how detainees in Indonesia and on Xmas Island are being treated, Malcolm seems too stupid to  go beyond the Howard trope of &quot;We ain&#039;t never gonna let &#039;em in this country because - well, they&#039;re the wrong skin colour&quot; subtext.
Leadership material? Bunkum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam@19,<br />
Nobody in the ALP would want Malcolm. By joining the Libs he sort of ratted on his republican principles. Besides, his leadership ambitions would somewhat unsettle a whole heap of much more promising ministers on the Labor side.<br />
Malcolm actually isn&#8217;t a very good leader for a political party. Challenging people to dump you if they won&#8217;t go along with your personal beliefs as he did on CC was not a smart political move within the Opposition, as much as I applaud it. Godwin Gretch/Utegate was political stupidity of the highest order. And, while there are serious questions to be asked about how detainees in Indonesia and on Xmas Island are being treated, Malcolm seems too stupid to  go beyond the Howard trope of &#8220;We ain&#8217;t never gonna let &#8216;em in this country because &#8211; well, they&#8217;re the wrong skin colour&#8221; subtext.<br />
Leadership material? Bunkum.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Abbott has enough self-knowledge to concede to himself that he is a deeply divisive figure in Australian politics.

Therefore, I believe, Abbott knows that if he were to become Liberal parliamentary leader the party would be reduced to a small, right-wing rump.

I think it can be argued that Abbott understands that the best hope for his tendency within conservative politics is to be a ginger group within a party with broad electoral appeal.

The problem for the Libs is that they have no one who promises to be a vote-winner who can simultaneously prevent the party&#039;s factions from tearing each other apart.

I&#039;ve been saying it for some time but there has never been a riper moment since 1947 for a major institutional overhaul of non-Labor politics in Australia.

I expect to see a &quot;Progressive Party&quot; and/or a &quot;Values Party&quot; come into existence soon after the next federal election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Abbott has enough self-knowledge to concede to himself that he is a deeply divisive figure in Australian politics.</p>
<p>Therefore, I believe, Abbott knows that if he were to become Liberal parliamentary leader the party would be reduced to a small, right-wing rump.</p>
<p>I think it can be argued that Abbott understands that the best hope for his tendency within conservative politics is to be a ginger group within a party with broad electoral appeal.</p>
<p>The problem for the Libs is that they have no one who promises to be a vote-winner who can simultaneously prevent the party&#8217;s factions from tearing each other apart.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying it for some time but there has never been a riper moment since 1947 for a major institutional overhaul of non-Labor politics in Australia.</p>
<p>I expect to see a &#8220;Progressive Party&#8221; and/or a &#8220;Values Party&#8221; come into existence soon after the next federal election.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838710</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnbull will win in the party room on the ETS because, while there are some kamikazes in the parliamentary Liberal Party, they are a minority.

But he is a dead leader walking and will go soon. Rudd should offer him a place in the Cabinet if he switches to the Labor party. He&#039;s make a better minister than half the Cabinet. 

I reckon he&#039;d retain the seat of Wentworth. He is one of them. Labor of Liberal, it doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnbull will win in the party room on the ETS because, while there are some kamikazes in the parliamentary Liberal Party, they are a minority.</p>
<p>But he is a dead leader walking and will go soon. Rudd should offer him a place in the Cabinet if he switches to the Labor party. He&#8217;s make a better minister than half the Cabinet. </p>
<p>I reckon he&#8217;d retain the seat of Wentworth. He is one of them. Labor of Liberal, it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Chade</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838709</link>
		<dc:creator>Chade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Kevin Andrews really is throwing his hat into the ring... lulz are forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kevin Andrews really is throwing his hat into the ring&#8230; lulz are forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/23/road-to-nowhere-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-838705</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Malcolm will resign from Parliament. Rudd will make him the Australian representative on whatever the international organisation on CC comes out of Copenhagen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My bet is on &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-11-21/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chief Artificial Coffee Creamer Officer&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Malcolm will resign from Parliament. Rudd will make him the Australian representative on whatever the international organisation on CC comes out of Copenhagen.</p></blockquote>
<p>My bet is on &#8220;<a href="http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-11-21/" rel="nofollow">Chief Artificial Coffee Creamer Officer</a>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suspect Malcolm will get rolled and Abbott will take over and I bet its all been pre-arranged from just before the day Abbott shifted his position on Global Warming. Kevin Andrews is there so the electorate gets the idea its a real leadership challenge not a back-room Howardista roll engineered by a slightly insane Nick Minchin. Andrews ain&#039;t serious, though I wish he were. (perhaps Abbatt actually wants to put him up so he can lose in the next election, and Abbott can take over after that.
Malcolm will resign from Parliament. Rudd will make him the Australian representative on whatever the international organisation on CC comes out of Copenhagen.
Basically, I think neither Labor nor the left can afford to underestimate the appeal of a gentler Abbott. I know (Minchin aside) he&#039;s the Howardista from Hell, but don&#039;t bet on the electorate realising it until its too late. Like, when he&#039;s PM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suspect Malcolm will get rolled and Abbott will take over and I bet its all been pre-arranged from just before the day Abbott shifted his position on Global Warming. Kevin Andrews is there so the electorate gets the idea its a real leadership challenge not a back-room Howardista roll engineered by a slightly insane Nick Minchin. Andrews ain&#8217;t serious, though I wish he were. (perhaps Abbatt actually wants to put him up so he can lose in the next election, and Abbott can take over after that.<br />
Malcolm will resign from Parliament. Rudd will make him the Australian representative on whatever the international organisation on CC comes out of Copenhagen.<br />
Basically, I think neither Labor nor the left can afford to underestimate the appeal of a gentler Abbott. I know (Minchin aside) he&#8217;s the Howardista from Hell, but don&#8217;t bet on the electorate realising it until its too late. Like, when he&#8217;s PM?</p>
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		<title>By: Debbieanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbieanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians fiddle while the world burns, Just what we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians fiddle while the world burns, Just what we need.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Any chance he had of representing himself as leading a party enlightened on the policy response to climate change is gone completely, no matter what happens in tomorrow’s party room debate on the amendments negotiated between Ian Macfarlane and Penny Wong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Mark your LP bashing is speculative partisan spin not based on hard evidence and unlikely to survive an effective test on its implied electoral prediction. Have you or any other LP&#039;ers actually made any predictions on this and if not how are we supposed to test your model?

The LP is not much worse than the ALP on climate change. One should not forget that it was John Howard who was the first PM to commit to an ETS. And it is the coal-mining union dominated state ALPs that are currently the worst offenders when it comes to worsening carbon pollution.

The LP&#039;s divisions on climate change policy have not caused it to lose votes just yet. Quite the opposite, at the moment &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/11/20/the-oz-strikes-back/comment-page-2/#comment-249017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;polling reports there is a softening support for CPRS in the community&lt;/a&gt;. That will harden as the earth cooks.

Its true that if the denialists win and the LP caucus rejects the Wong-McFarlane compromise bill then the LP&#039;s long term (decade +) climate policy credibility will suffer. But this process has not gone through the formality of occurring yet.

Nor will it occur.

For the better part of two years I have predicted that the L/NP will sign onto an ETS, simply on the basis of the strong convergence tendency in the AUS political system. On 05 JUL 08 &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/07/04/garnaut-draft-report-released/#comment-213719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I predicted&lt;/a&gt; that the L/NP will eventually support some form of effective CRPS:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The LN/P will fall into line with ETS. More so than the ALP did with the GST.

&lt;/i&gt;[snip]&lt;i&gt;

This is because the vast majority of the AUS populace are fair, reasonable and well-informed. And our political system reflects this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

There is an underlying community consensus of good sense, 51% of whose votes the L/NP must attract in order to hold office. So I am sticking to this prediction despite the hysterical tantrums being thrown by various figures in the LP party room. 

I do not think the ALP wants to risk a Double Dissolution and I do not think that the marginal seat-warmers in the LP have the guts to fight one on this issue. As I argues on Quiggin:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I predict that Rudd will accept LP amendments, waverers in the LP back-bench will blink and that that Parliament will vote for some sort of watered down ETS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;  

Of course the major party political convergence on policy (which I have been hammering on since 2001) does not mean that the policy will be ideal. My model of economic policy making predicts that our leaders tend to &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/15/go-and-smirk-no-more/#comment-789187&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;take the path of least resistance between Right-wing vested interests and Left-wing public opinion&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

The ETS fits this model. It is a token to Left-wing public opinion but pays real money to Right-wing vested interests. The result is what, in AUG 08, I described as &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/08/05/suppressed-viewpoints-on-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-215167&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a Potemkin village carbon trading schemes&lt;/a&gt;.

If Rudd was serious about carbon constraint in particular and ecological sustainability in general he would slash immigration by at two-thirds, to say 200,000 pa all up, so that it just covered population losses through emigration and sub-replacement fertility levels. But instead immigration is running at 500,000+. THAT is where the real carbon overload is coming from.

But both parties want massive immigration as it suits the interests of a capitalist state to have as many consumers and tax-payers as possible.

In truth the wiser heads of both parties just wish this issue would go away since it causes more headaches than it cures, especially amongst the noisy fringe elements in each party&#039;s base. So they will both be glad to get this bill through, which accounts for the unprecedented show of front-bench bi-partisanship.

The Centre will hold, as it always does in Oz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark says:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Any chance he had of representing himself as leading a party enlightened on the policy response to climate change is gone completely, no matter what happens in tomorrow’s party room debate on the amendments negotiated between Ian Macfarlane and Penny Wong.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Mark your LP bashing is speculative partisan spin not based on hard evidence and unlikely to survive an effective test on its implied electoral prediction. Have you or any other LP&#8217;ers actually made any predictions on this and if not how are we supposed to test your model?</p>
<p>The LP is not much worse than the ALP on climate change. One should not forget that it was John Howard who was the first PM to commit to an ETS. And it is the coal-mining union dominated state ALPs that are currently the worst offenders when it comes to worsening carbon pollution.</p>
<p>The LP&#8217;s divisions on climate change policy have not caused it to lose votes just yet. Quite the opposite, at the moment <a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/11/20/the-oz-strikes-back/comment-page-2/#comment-249017" rel="nofollow">polling reports there is a softening support for CPRS in the community</a>. That will harden as the earth cooks.</p>
<p>Its true that if the denialists win and the LP caucus rejects the Wong-McFarlane compromise bill then the LP&#8217;s long term (decade +) climate policy credibility will suffer. But this process has not gone through the formality of occurring yet.</p>
<p>Nor will it occur.</p>
<p>For the better part of two years I have predicted that the L/NP will sign onto an ETS, simply on the basis of the strong convergence tendency in the AUS political system. On 05 JUL 08 <a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/07/04/garnaut-draft-report-released/#comment-213719" rel="nofollow">I predicted</a> that the L/NP will eventually support some form of effective CRPS:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The LN/P will fall into line with ETS. More so than the ALP did with the GST.</p>
<p></i>[snip]<i></p>
<p>This is because the vast majority of the AUS populace are fair, reasonable and well-informed. And our political system reflects this.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>There is an underlying community consensus of good sense, 51% of whose votes the L/NP must attract in order to hold office. So I am sticking to this prediction despite the hysterical tantrums being thrown by various figures in the LP party room. </p>
<p>I do not think the ALP wants to risk a Double Dissolution and I do not think that the marginal seat-warmers in the LP have the guts to fight one on this issue. As I argues on Quiggin:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I predict that Rudd will accept LP amendments, waverers in the LP back-bench will blink and that that Parliament will vote for some sort of watered down ETS.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Of course the major party political convergence on policy (which I have been hammering on since 2001) does not mean that the policy will be ideal. My model of economic policy making predicts that our leaders tend to <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/15/go-and-smirk-no-more/#comment-789187" rel="nofollow">&#8220;take the path of least resistance between Right-wing vested interests and Left-wing public opinion&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>The ETS fits this model. It is a token to Left-wing public opinion but pays real money to Right-wing vested interests. The result is what, in AUG 08, I described as <a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/08/05/suppressed-viewpoints-on-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-215167" rel="nofollow">a Potemkin village carbon trading schemes</a>.</p>
<p>If Rudd was serious about carbon constraint in particular and ecological sustainability in general he would slash immigration by at two-thirds, to say 200,000 pa all up, so that it just covered population losses through emigration and sub-replacement fertility levels. But instead immigration is running at 500,000+. THAT is where the real carbon overload is coming from.</p>
<p>But both parties want massive immigration as it suits the interests of a capitalist state to have as many consumers and tax-payers as possible.</p>
<p>In truth the wiser heads of both parties just wish this issue would go away since it causes more headaches than it cures, especially amongst the noisy fringe elements in each party&#8217;s base. So they will both be glad to get this bill through, which accounts for the unprecedented show of front-bench bi-partisanship.</p>
<p>The Centre will hold, as it always does in Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: kymbos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kymbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do feel sorry for Turnbull.  I wish our right looked broadly like him, rather than the genuine conservative ugliness of your Howards or Abbots.  And because of the absolute mess that is the Coalition, we can expect nothing of value from this Government, which simply cannot pass up this opportunity to grind them into the dust instead of realising any progressive agenda.  Like a child pulling the wings off a fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do feel sorry for Turnbull.  I wish our right looked broadly like him, rather than the genuine conservative ugliness of your Howards or Abbots.  And because of the absolute mess that is the Coalition, we can expect nothing of value from this Government, which simply cannot pass up this opportunity to grind them into the dust instead of realising any progressive agenda.  Like a child pulling the wings off a fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Zorronsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno about &quot;God’s ultimate sulphurous, brimstone-laden wrath&quot; but Abbot sure looked like he could deliver in a grab shown on last nights ABC news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno about &#8220;God’s ultimate sulphurous, brimstone-laden wrath&#8221; but Abbot sure looked like he could deliver in a grab shown on last nights ABC news.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Andrews knows the truth.

God killed all those devilish dinosaurs 4000 years ago so that God-fearing folk could refine their remains and use the petroleum products to drive to Christian churches to pray for the end of the world.

When the world ends the righteous will already have been enraptured into heaven, leaving all unregenerates (you know who you are) to suffer God&#039;s ultimate sulphurous, brimstone-laden wrath.

It&#039;s about time that the Liberal Party got square with God&#039;s Big Battalions.

Vote 1 Kevin Andrews. It&#039;s what Jesus would do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Andrews knows the truth.</p>
<p>God killed all those devilish dinosaurs 4000 years ago so that God-fearing folk could refine their remains and use the petroleum products to drive to Christian churches to pray for the end of the world.</p>
<p>When the world ends the righteous will already have been enraptured into heaven, leaving all unregenerates (you know who you are) to suffer God&#8217;s ultimate sulphurous, brimstone-laden wrath.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time that the Liberal Party got square with God&#8217;s Big Battalions.</p>
<p>Vote 1 Kevin Andrews. It&#8217;s what Jesus would do.</p>
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		<title>By: chinda63</title>
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		<dc:creator>chinda63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Opposition in SA has gone strangely silent.  

I suspect it is because Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond has a background in the law and is well aware of the pitfalls of dipping her oar in, particularly when one of the protagonists is famously litigious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Opposition in SA has gone strangely silent.  </p>
<p>I suspect it is because Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond has a background in the law and is well aware of the pitfalls of dipping her oar in, particularly when one of the protagonists is famously litigious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could sure use a good Opposition in SA right about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could sure use a good Opposition in SA right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those people who think government and governance is better in Australia if you have a coherent opposition (though it&#039;s a weakly held view, without solid evidence). These Libs will be out of power for decades at this rate. Still, when they do return, they will hopefully be sane.

Or maybe the Greens will grow up a little bit and become a broadly representative political party. That would be preferable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people who think government and governance is better in Australia if you have a coherent opposition (though it&#8217;s a weakly held view, without solid evidence). These Libs will be out of power for decades at this rate. Still, when they do return, they will hopefully be sane.</p>
<p>Or maybe the Greens will grow up a little bit and become a broadly representative political party. That would be preferable.</p>
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