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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-2/#comment-839005</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve put up a new thread on the leadership challenge. Please direct future comments there:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/25/kevin-andrews-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve put up a new thread on the leadership challenge. Please direct future comments there:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/25/kevin-andrews-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/25/kevin-andrews-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-2/#comment-839002</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim @ 51, the future of the planet will actually turn on what gets agreed internationally and what the US, China and India decide to do. Our climate policies will make a non zero contribution, and perhaps we can influence international outcomes if we are seen to be making an effort, but some perspective is required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim @ 51, the future of the planet will actually turn on what gets agreed internationally and what the US, China and India decide to do. Our climate policies will make a non zero contribution, and perhaps we can influence international outcomes if we are seen to be making an effort, but some perspective is required.</p>
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		<title>By: Asha Leu</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-2/#comment-839001</link>
		<dc:creator>Asha Leu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why in god&#039;s name would anyone in their right mind want the Liberal leadership at the moment? They can&#039;t honestly think that they have a chance of winning the election (unless Labor manages to really fuck up over the next year). Surely any prospective leaders would be far better off letting Turnbull lose this election, and then taking up the leadership when the Liberals actually have a better chance of winning.

Though the hilarious prospect of Kevin Andrews as leader does kind of make me hope he does win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why in god&#8217;s name would anyone in their right mind want the Liberal leadership at the moment? They can&#8217;t honestly think that they have a chance of winning the election (unless Labor manages to really fuck up over the next year). Surely any prospective leaders would be far better off letting Turnbull lose this election, and then taking up the leadership when the Liberals actually have a better chance of winning.</p>
<p>Though the hilarious prospect of Kevin Andrews as leader does kind of make me hope he does win.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 - that might be so on the ETS bill, Terry but not on the leadership.

The Nats don&#039;t have a vote for that, and Brandis was very pointed in emphasising that Turnbull had a larger majority among *Liberals*.

Those who want to chuck Turnbull out had the opportunity to do so last night, and didn&#039;t take it? Why? Because he has a majority of the Liberal party behind him as leader. That will become clear when he defeats Andrews today.

Parliament rises for the year on Friday.

How, exactly, is he going to be toppled? By a strongly worded Wilson Tuckey email?

All this media stuff about the &quot;killing fields of December&quot; is all well and good, but they don&#039;t decide the leadership on the basis of counting op/eds but by a vote of their parliamentary party.

I&#039;ll repeat the point I made several times in the post. Turnbull now has the power to reward and punish, and the reporting of the lobbying before the meeting made it clear that his numbers people were concentrating dissidents&#039; minds about the long delayed reshuffled.

The Libs might of course be insane enough to topple him this afternoon, but if not, he&#039;s got til February to re-establish his leadership, and has some weapons with which to do that.

The commentariat appear to be following the &quot;doomed leader&quot; script. What about the &quot;strong leader stands up to dinosaurs in his own party and gains extra kudos&quot; script? Or what about recognising that politics is more complex and unpredictable than a menu of &#039;media narratives&#039; might suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 &#8211; that might be so on the ETS bill, Terry but not on the leadership.</p>
<p>The Nats don&#8217;t have a vote for that, and Brandis was very pointed in emphasising that Turnbull had a larger majority among *Liberals*.</p>
<p>Those who want to chuck Turnbull out had the opportunity to do so last night, and didn&#8217;t take it? Why? Because he has a majority of the Liberal party behind him as leader. That will become clear when he defeats Andrews today.</p>
<p>Parliament rises for the year on Friday.</p>
<p>How, exactly, is he going to be toppled? By a strongly worded Wilson Tuckey email?</p>
<p>All this media stuff about the &#8220;killing fields of December&#8221; is all well and good, but they don&#8217;t decide the leadership on the basis of counting op/eds but by a vote of their parliamentary party.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat the point I made several times in the post. Turnbull now has the power to reward and punish, and the reporting of the lobbying before the meeting made it clear that his numbers people were concentrating dissidents&#8217; minds about the long delayed reshuffled.</p>
<p>The Libs might of course be insane enough to topple him this afternoon, but if not, he&#8217;s got til February to re-establish his leadership, and has some weapons with which to do that.</p>
<p>The commentariat appear to be following the &#8220;doomed leader&#8221; script. What about the &#8220;strong leader stands up to dinosaurs in his own party and gains extra kudos&#8221; script? Or what about recognising that politics is more complex and unpredictable than a menu of &#8216;media narratives&#8217; might suggest?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing here is that we have both Labor and Liberal fighting to see who can best trash the public interest and our collective futures while handing over cash to our worst and richest polluters in what Garnaut correctly called the biggest policy failure in Australian history.  Im appalled about the commentary focusing on the ridiculous sideshow within the coalition.  Frankly in the end who cares, its about the environment and liveability on this planet, stupid.  I hope the coalition does block it then we have a double dissolution, then labor just might have to deal with the Greens and be forced to look at really cutting emissions.  This ETS will lock in a huge load of no abatement for 20 years. Its clearly a political device to wedge the opposition, whose undies have clearly been supremely hoiked and has no focus on the real task at hand.  Can the media/commentariat get over the who&#039;s up who&#039;s down today bollocks and actually get back to the reality of what we are dealing with?  The failure of the media generally on this issue makes them culpable. Its time they stopped believing their own crap about being the fearless seekers of truth and started getting back to the facts.  Any old deal is not a victory for any of us, we need to start cutting emissions and this ETS won&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing here is that we have both Labor and Liberal fighting to see who can best trash the public interest and our collective futures while handing over cash to our worst and richest polluters in what Garnaut correctly called the biggest policy failure in Australian history.  Im appalled about the commentary focusing on the ridiculous sideshow within the coalition.  Frankly in the end who cares, its about the environment and liveability on this planet, stupid.  I hope the coalition does block it then we have a double dissolution, then labor just might have to deal with the Greens and be forced to look at really cutting emissions.  This ETS will lock in a huge load of no abatement for 20 years. Its clearly a political device to wedge the opposition, whose undies have clearly been supremely hoiked and has no focus on the real task at hand.  Can the media/commentariat get over the who&#8217;s up who&#8217;s down today bollocks and actually get back to the reality of what we are dealing with?  The failure of the media generally on this issue makes them culpable. Its time they stopped believing their own crap about being the fearless seekers of truth and started getting back to the facts.  Any old deal is not a victory for any of us, we need to start cutting emissions and this ETS won&#8217;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrews will get 20 votes at best.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838995</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And meanwhile, a la Billy Hughes when he was the leader of the UAP in 1941-3 Malcolm will not call a party meeting for a spill tomorrow.Billy did hold on for a long time without a party meeting,but in the end it did him no good at all. Malcolm, history shows this tactic won&#039;t work. It will just delay the inevitable. 
Prediction: Not long before the election is called or immediately after the election is called Abbott or Hockey will challenge. Malcolm will lose the leadership. The then incumbent will fight the election, go down in flames, but remain leader after a disastrous conservative electoral loss, with all the blame being sheeted home to Malcolm. He shouldna have challenged Nelson. 
At least in his retirement he can re-read Shakespeare&#039;s Macbeth to see where he went wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And meanwhile, a la Billy Hughes when he was the leader of the UAP in 1941-3 Malcolm will not call a party meeting for a spill tomorrow.Billy did hold on for a long time without a party meeting,but in the end it did him no good at all. Malcolm, history shows this tactic won&#8217;t work. It will just delay the inevitable.<br />
Prediction: Not long before the election is called or immediately after the election is called Abbott or Hockey will challenge. Malcolm will lose the leadership. The then incumbent will fight the election, go down in flames, but remain leader after a disastrous conservative electoral loss, with all the blame being sheeted home to Malcolm. He shouldna have challenged Nelson.<br />
At least in his retirement he can re-read Shakespeare&#8217;s Macbeth to see where he went wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838994</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote yesterday that Turnbull should sack the disloyal Robb.

Of course he can&#039;t, because Robb is already a backbencher, having taken a long leave of absence because of his depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote yesterday that Turnbull should sack the disloyal Robb.</p>
<p>Of course he can&#8217;t, because Robb is already a backbencher, having taken a long leave of absence because of his depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838993</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Andrews!

He&#039;s strapped on his explosive vest. Shouting &quot;God is great!&quot; he will enter the caucus room and smite the infidel.

Today Kevin Andrews will enter paradise as a holy martyr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Andrews!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s strapped on his explosive vest. Shouting &#8220;God is great!&#8221; he will enter the caucus room and smite the infidel.</p>
<p>Today Kevin Andrews will enter paradise as a holy martyr.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838992</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz @34

&lt;blockquote&gt;If so, how do you explain that a majority of the parliamentary party supports Turnbull?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

These numbers are premised upon Malcolm Turnbull&#039;s maths i.e. that the whole of the Shadow Cabinet supports the position, because they are obligated by Cabinet solidarity to do so.

There are some brave assumptions there about Tony Abbott, let alone Nick Minchin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz @34</p>
<blockquote><p>If so, how do you explain that a majority of the parliamentary party supports Turnbull?</p></blockquote>
<p>These numbers are premised upon Malcolm Turnbull&#8217;s maths i.e. that the whole of the Shadow Cabinet supports the position, because they are obligated by Cabinet solidarity to do so.</p>
<p>There are some brave assumptions there about Tony Abbott, let alone Nick Minchin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838991</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You could be right Mark, he might just call the show and kick some butt. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t say I predict he will, David, but that I think he should and it just might work for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You could be right Mark, he might just call the show and kick some butt. </p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I predict he will, David, but that I think he should and it just might work for him.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A spill is on for today at 1.00. 

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/turnbull-calls-leadership-spill-20091125-jp30.html?autostart=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A spill is on for today at 1.00. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/turnbull-calls-leadership-spill-20091125-jp30.html?autostart=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/environment/turnbull-calls-leadership-spill-20091125-jp30.html?autostart=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838989</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s on. 

1 pm today, Turnbull v Andrews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s on. </p>
<p>1 pm today, Turnbull v Andrews.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Little</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838985</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie Bishop should head the Liberal party. To take on Rudd on the ETS scam that will put everything up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie Bishop should head the Liberal party. To take on Rudd on the ETS scam that will put everything up.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is getting better and better....

&quot;The announcement by the leader last night was about as dodgy as a Zimbabwean election organised by Robert Mugabe,&quot; Mr Slipper told reporters in Canberra.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/liberal-mp-compares-turnbull-to-mugabe-20091125-jp7a.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is getting better and better&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The announcement by the leader last night was about as dodgy as a Zimbabwean election organised by Robert Mugabe,&#8221; Mr Slipper told reporters in Canberra.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/liberal-mp-compares-turnbull-to-mugabe-20091125-jp7a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/liberal-mp-compares-turnbull-to-mugabe-20091125-jp7a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chav asked:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why are supposed left-wingers attempting to provide counsel to the open party of the bosses?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All the parties are open parties of the bosses, as I&#039;ve made clear on a number of occasions. Few doubt that though some pretend the ALP still has something to do with the independent mobilisation of the workers. What is more interesting is why an ostensible Cliffite would be adopting the Grantist line on parties of the class.

My commentary in relation to the Turnbull was not &lt;i&gt;counsel&lt;/i&gt;. It was an observation about what he, oeprating entirely within his paradigm, might have done as an alternative to the course he followed. It was a kind of socio-political counterfactual. I would not have advocated support for him if he&#039;d followed this course, though I&#039;d have found him somewhat less apparently irrational. I very much doubt Turnbull reads this blog, and even if he did, think it even less likely that he&#039;d seize upon my advice in order to fashion the tools to disempower the workers. he&#039;d have to move the ALP aside first in order to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chav asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why are supposed left-wingers attempting to provide counsel to the open party of the bosses?</p></blockquote>
<p>All the parties are open parties of the bosses, as I&#8217;ve made clear on a number of occasions. Few doubt that though some pretend the ALP still has something to do with the independent mobilisation of the workers. What is more interesting is why an ostensible Cliffite would be adopting the Grantist line on parties of the class.</p>
<p>My commentary in relation to the Turnbull was not <i>counsel</i>. It was an observation about what he, oeprating entirely within his paradigm, might have done as an alternative to the course he followed. It was a kind of socio-political counterfactual. I would not have advocated support for him if he&#8217;d followed this course, though I&#8217;d have found him somewhat less apparently irrational. I very much doubt Turnbull reads this blog, and even if he did, think it even less likely that he&#8217;d seize upon my advice in order to fashion the tools to disempower the workers. he&#8217;d have to move the ALP aside first in order to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he lasts the week.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. This has just strengthened Malcolm&#039;s leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. This has just strengthened Malcolm&#8217;s leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But give some credit to Rudd as well. The little nerd has wedged the opposition to near death.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is undoubtedly true, Sam.

Moreover, Rudd&#039;s willingness to compromise on ETS has maximised divisions within the Liberal Party.

Undoubtedly, Rudd has provided plenty of ammunition. However, it was up to the two Liberal factions to decide whether and how they would go to war with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But give some credit to Rudd as well. The little nerd has wedged the opposition to near death.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is undoubtedly true, Sam.</p>
<p>Moreover, Rudd&#8217;s willingness to compromise on ETS has maximised divisions within the Liberal Party.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly, Rudd has provided plenty of ammunition. However, it was up to the two Liberal factions to decide whether and how they would go to war with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-838979</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz, I would describe it as &quot;moving on&quot;. Especially when a great deal of swinging voters don&#039;t see Howard and Rudd as being that different, explaining why they voted for both of them.

The problem is that the Minchins of the world are better at internal Liberal Party politics than the Turnbulls. I wrote as much last week on my blog (Malcolm, it&#039;s over, link on my web moniker). It&#039;ll be hard to move the Minchins and B Bishops and Tuckeys on, and then replace them with deep policy thinkers who see the world in shades of grey rather than black and white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz, I would describe it as &#8220;moving on&#8221;. Especially when a great deal of swinging voters don&#8217;t see Howard and Rudd as being that different, explaining why they voted for both of them.</p>
<p>The problem is that the Minchins of the world are better at internal Liberal Party politics than the Turnbulls. I wrote as much last week on my blog (Malcolm, it&#8217;s over, link on my web moniker). It&#8217;ll be hard to move the Minchins and B Bishops and Tuckeys on, and then replace them with deep policy thinkers who see the world in shades of grey rather than black and white.</p>
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