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		<title>By: Baraholka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123430</link>
		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz @19 on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; thread &lt;/a&gt; that spawned &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/25/kevin-andrews-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; the thread &lt;/a&gt;that spawned &lt;strong&gt;this &lt;/strong&gt;thread:

You said:

&lt;i&gt;This is the end of The Party that Ratty Made.

It is important to recall how Ratty made his party — by means of back-stabbing and faction-driven branch-stacking. Standing on a pile of political corpses...&lt;/i&gt;

Your quote summarizes an argument in the paper &lt;i&gt;“‘You lucky, lucky bastard!’. The Extent Of John Howard’s Political Genius.’ &lt;/i&gt; by Wayne Errington and Peter van Onselen. It was presented at the John Howard Decade Conference at ANU in March 2006. An extract appears on-line under the far less spicy title of ‘Howard The Ideologue’.

Errington and van Onselen wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;While [Howard&#039;s championing of the ideological right] doesn’t seem to have done much harm in terms of the harmony and discipline of the party in government, a less successful federal Liberal Party may reap the whirlwind of the divisive practices of the Howard years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And further:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The extent of damage caused by Howard’s factional warfare will only be known well after he has retired, and will likely cause some reassessment of his political skills&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surveying the Liberal Party in advanced factional rabble mode must be causing Errington and van Onselen to emit quite a glow of professional satisfaction as their predictions settle nicely into history, and Howard himself must be getting severe indigestion as he quaffs the case of complimentary Claret from the American Enterprise Institute and wonders how to blame somebody else (that Minchin perhaps) for the ruin now unfolding.

I blogged it &lt;a href=&quot;http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/nothing-empowers-the-third-eye-better-than-taxpayer-funded-chardonnay/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz @19 on the <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/" rel="nofollow"> thread </a> that spawned <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/25/kevin-andrews-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull/" rel="nofollow"> the thread </a>that spawned <strong>this </strong>thread:</p>
<p>You said:</p>
<p><i>This is the end of The Party that Ratty Made.</p>
<p>It is important to recall how Ratty made his party — by means of back-stabbing and faction-driven branch-stacking. Standing on a pile of political corpses&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Your quote summarizes an argument in the paper <i>“‘You lucky, lucky bastard!’. The Extent Of John Howard’s Political Genius.’ </i> by Wayne Errington and Peter van Onselen. It was presented at the John Howard Decade Conference at ANU in March 2006. An extract appears on-line under the far less spicy title of ‘Howard The Ideologue’.</p>
<p>Errington and van Onselen wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>While [Howard's championing of the ideological right] doesn’t seem to have done much harm in terms of the harmony and discipline of the party in government, a less successful federal Liberal Party may reap the whirlwind of the divisive practices of the Howard years.</p></blockquote>
<p>And further:</p>
<blockquote><p>The extent of damage caused by Howard’s factional warfare will only be known well after he has retired, and will likely cause some reassessment of his political skills</p></blockquote>
<p>Surveying the Liberal Party in advanced factional rabble mode must be causing Errington and van Onselen to emit quite a glow of professional satisfaction as their predictions settle nicely into history, and Howard himself must be getting severe indigestion as he quaffs the case of complimentary Claret from the American Enterprise Institute and wonders how to blame somebody else (that Minchin perhaps) for the ruin now unfolding.</p>
<p>I blogged it <a href="http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/nothing-empowers-the-third-eye-better-than-taxpayer-funded-chardonnay/" rel="nofollow"> here </a></p>
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		<title>By: Zorronsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123429</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the dingbats, reaching outcomes democratically is bullying! The &quot;majority&quot; is bullying the poor minority rightwingers and Rudd&#039;s behind it all. And isn&#039;t the parliament aware that the &quot; born to rule&quot; must prevail even in minority.
What&#039;s more they are surely within their rights to unprincipled behavior, lying, breaking agreements and acting as if they had never lost Government two years ago.
  The longer this continues the more dingbat deniers emerge from under the lying facade of &quot;Liberalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the dingbats, reaching outcomes democratically is bullying! The &#8220;majority&#8221; is bullying the poor minority rightwingers and Rudd&#8217;s behind it all. And isn&#8217;t the parliament aware that the &#8221; born to rule&#8221; must prevail even in minority.<br />
What&#8217;s more they are surely within their rights to unprincipled behavior, lying, breaking agreements and acting as if they had never lost Government two years ago.<br />
  The longer this continues the more dingbat deniers emerge from under the lying facade of &#8220;Liberalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123428</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among the many things I find distasteful with the current Liberal Party shenanigans, in which I must admit I am delighting in on an hourly basis, is that its startiong to distract me from my writing. Yet another reason not to vote for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among the many things I find distasteful with the current Liberal Party shenanigans, in which I must admit I am delighting in on an hourly basis, is that its startiong to distract me from my writing. Yet another reason not to vote for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123427</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caraig Mc@148 reckons that the ALP will restore the socialist objective for the next election ...

Really? I&#039;d love to see that. Hell --- it might even vote for them in such circumstances</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caraig Mc@148 reckons that the ALP will restore the socialist objective for the next election &#8230;</p>
<p>Really? I&#8217;d love to see that. Hell &#8212; it might even vote for them in such circumstances</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123426</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serious question now:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The ETS boondoggle is as anathematic to the party of economic rationalism as WorkChoices was to the party of unionism. You might think either is a good idea, but you’re probably in the wrong party if you do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The blogosphere is full of commenters saying more or less precisely this.

Yet it appears that either a large minority or a small minority of Liberal Party parliamentarians disagree with this. These parliamentarians are political operators whose primary function is to survive the hurly burly of party politics with its faction fights, its pre-selection struggles, its political knifings and its ultimate purpose of getting 50% plus one vote of the TPP ticked in their column on the ballot paper.

Why do the rightist commenters on the blogosphere think they know more about these games than the professional practitioners of it whom they so roundly criticise?

And on a related theme, it is clear that Liberal senators are disproportionately represented among the deniers and the anti-Turnbullites. Could it be that these rebels, either coming from smaller states and/or not immediately answerable to the voters of a specific electorate, do not feel the heat of popular support for some sort of genuine action on AGW? Thus these anti-Turnbullite rebels feel they can oppose with impunity.

Whereas, members of the H of R are overwhelmingly from the suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne -- educated, middle-class electorates. It is the disposition of these electorates that determines which party wins government. (Have the Right already forgotten what happened to their little hero John Howard in leafy Bennelong?

The Right appears to be prepared to alienate these folks living in the leafy suburbs of our two greatest cities in a quixotic quest for ideological purity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serious question now:</p>
<blockquote><p>The ETS boondoggle is as anathematic to the party of economic rationalism as WorkChoices was to the party of unionism. You might think either is a good idea, but you’re probably in the wrong party if you do.</p></blockquote>
<p>The blogosphere is full of commenters saying more or less precisely this.</p>
<p>Yet it appears that either a large minority or a small minority of Liberal Party parliamentarians disagree with this. These parliamentarians are political operators whose primary function is to survive the hurly burly of party politics with its faction fights, its pre-selection struggles, its political knifings and its ultimate purpose of getting 50% plus one vote of the TPP ticked in their column on the ballot paper.</p>
<p>Why do the rightist commenters on the blogosphere think they know more about these games than the professional practitioners of it whom they so roundly criticise?</p>
<p>And on a related theme, it is clear that Liberal senators are disproportionately represented among the deniers and the anti-Turnbullites. Could it be that these rebels, either coming from smaller states and/or not immediately answerable to the voters of a specific electorate, do not feel the heat of popular support for some sort of genuine action on AGW? Thus these anti-Turnbullite rebels feel they can oppose with impunity.</p>
<p>Whereas, members of the H of R are overwhelmingly from the suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne &#8212; educated, middle-class electorates. It is the disposition of these electorates that determines which party wins government. (Have the Right already forgotten what happened to their little hero John Howard in leafy Bennelong?</p>
<p>The Right appears to be prepared to alienate these folks living in the leafy suburbs of our two greatest cities in a quixotic quest for ideological purity.</p>
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		<title>By: Zorronsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123425</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@151..Godwin read the Senate report into utegate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@151..Godwin read the Senate report into utegate.</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123424</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those people who voted Labour SUFFER, because you will!!
Chairman KRUDD is on a mission for sainthood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those people who voted Labour SUFFER, because you will!!<br />
Chairman KRUDD is on a mission for sainthood!</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nickws

That&#039;s true about Victorian ALP. My point was merely that
i) internecine warfare
ii) consequent electoral failure, and
iii) die-hard, tiny minority hijackings of major parties
are none of them the exclusive preserve or playground of right wing dingbats. Some posters seemed to be suggesting it&#039;s only the far right that&#039;s populated by the loopy.

Never was, never will be.

BTW (others), to say that Viscount Turnbull &quot;declared nuclear war on his Party opponents&quot; is a little unfair, considering that his Senate leader Sen. Minchin tossed a grenade publicly by saying that even if a compromise were reached, the Libs might not vote for an amended ETS.

They may not, ultimately, but that was disloyalty and bastardry of the highest order, Senator. Has any previous Liberal Senate leader acted in similar fashion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nickws</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true about Victorian ALP. My point was merely that<br />
i) internecine warfare<br />
ii) consequent electoral failure, and<br />
iii) die-hard, tiny minority hijackings of major parties<br />
are none of them the exclusive preserve or playground of right wing dingbats. Some posters seemed to be suggesting it&#8217;s only the far right that&#8217;s populated by the loopy.</p>
<p>Never was, never will be.</p>
<p>BTW (others), to say that Viscount Turnbull &#8220;declared nuclear war on his Party opponents&#8221; is a little unfair, considering that his Senate leader Sen. Minchin tossed a grenade publicly by saying that even if a compromise were reached, the Libs might not vote for an amended ETS.</p>
<p>They may not, ultimately, but that was disloyalty and bastardry of the highest order, Senator. Has any previous Liberal Senate leader acted in similar fashion?</p>
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		<title>By: Nickws</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-frontbench/#comment-123422</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Mc, if John Howard wanted to turn us into NZ with Workchoices, why shouldn&#039;t Malcolm Turnbull do the same with an ETS? &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/emissions-scheme-decision-likely-3172744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Key&#039;s amendments to the existing Labour legislation sound suspiciously like what the Lib leader here has  worked out with the ALP.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Mc, if John Howard wanted to turn us into NZ with Workchoices, why shouldn&#8217;t Malcolm Turnbull do the same with an ETS? <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/emissions-scheme-decision-likely-3172744" rel="nofollow">John Key&#8217;s amendments to the existing Labour legislation sound suspiciously like what the Lib leader here has  worked out with the ALP.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Trying to win an election on a “climate change doesn’t exist” policy is about as likely to work as Labor getting to the next election with a policy of “the socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
BTW, this &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; be Labor&#039;s policy at the next election.  It&#039;s exactly what the ETS is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Trying to win an election on a “climate change doesn’t exist” policy is about as likely to work as Labor getting to the next election with a policy of “the socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange.”</p></blockquote>
<p>BTW, this <em>will</em> be Labor&#8217;s policy at the next election.  It&#8217;s exactly what the ETS is.</p>
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