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		<title>By: Old Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124220</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indigenous people have only a fifth as many people with university qualifications ?  Really ?  At the last Census, there were around 230,000 Indigenous adults in Australia: 25,000 have university quaifications - that one in nine adults.  Is the general Australian rate better than one in two ?
Even so, by 2020, there could easily be 50,000 Indigenous people with university qualifications.  For the gap to remain, almost every Australian adult would have to be a university graduate.
Check out: http://www.deewr.gov.au/HigherEducation/Publications/HEStatistics/Publications/Pages/Home.aspx for details, if you are serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indigenous people have only a fifth as many people with university qualifications ?  Really ?  At the last Census, there were around 230,000 Indigenous adults in Australia: 25,000 have university quaifications &#8211; that one in nine adults.  Is the general Australian rate better than one in two ?<br />
Even so, by 2020, there could easily be 50,000 Indigenous people with university qualifications.  For the gap to remain, almost every Australian adult would have to be a university graduate.<br />
Check out: <a href="http://www.deewr.gov.au/HigherEducation/Publications/HEStatistics/Publications/Pages/Home.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.deewr.gov.au/HigherEducation/Publications/HEStatistics/Publications/Pages/Home.aspx</a> for details, if you are serious.</p>
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		<title>By: marks</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124219</link>
		<dc:creator>marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, the Feds already apply income management to the States and Territories via vertical fiscal imbalance.  That is a financial and political fact of life in Aust.

It also means that (quite forgetting this issue) often there are fed funds decreed by Canbrah which cannot be spent for some reason or other.  (eg, the State or Territory just does not have the skills any more - a very real problem for small jurisdictions).  I cna think of several large projects at the moment where there is a bucket of $$$ and no person available to actually manage that $$.  Literally no-one able even with the skills to write up a brief to engage someone from the private sector, or to understand what those private sector people are doing.  This is part of the problem with the indigenous housing initiiative I suspect.  Nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with public sector cuts so deep that the lights &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; off and no-one is at home.  &lt;em&gt;That&lt;/em&gt; might have been a better Oz piece, rather than trying to accuse people of racism where it ain&#039;t the real issue at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, the Feds already apply income management to the States and Territories via vertical fiscal imbalance.  That is a financial and political fact of life in Aust.</p>
<p>It also means that (quite forgetting this issue) often there are fed funds decreed by Canbrah which cannot be spent for some reason or other.  (eg, the State or Territory just does not have the skills any more &#8211; a very real problem for small jurisdictions).  I cna think of several large projects at the moment where there is a bucket of $$$ and no person available to actually manage that $$.  Literally no-one able even with the skills to write up a brief to engage someone from the private sector, or to understand what those private sector people are doing.  This is part of the problem with the indigenous housing initiiative I suspect.  Nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with public sector cuts so deep that the lights <em>are</em> off and no-one is at home.  <em>That</em> might have been a better Oz piece, rather than trying to accuse people of racism where it ain&#8217;t the real issue at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124218</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marks @ 17 - retirements and super payouts should hardly be a surprise to a government. Its not that they don&#039;t have to be paid, its that the NT government would have known well in advance that they have to paid and should already have been taken into account in their budgets before the federal government money was supplied. Similarly for debt payments. Or was the intent always to fund the shortfall with federal government money marked for other purposes?

And as has been described its not a new phenomenon - its an ongoing problem of funds being diverted. The federal government probably needs to apply income management to the state governments :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marks @ 17 &#8211; retirements and super payouts should hardly be a surprise to a government. Its not that they don&#8217;t have to be paid, its that the NT government would have known well in advance that they have to paid and should already have been taken into account in their budgets before the federal government money was supplied. Similarly for debt payments. Or was the intent always to fund the shortfall with federal government money marked for other purposes?</p>
<p>And as has been described its not a new phenomenon &#8211; its an ongoing problem of funds being diverted. The federal government probably needs to apply income management to the state governments <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: marks</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124217</link>
		<dc:creator>marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Chris @ 13 those are good questions.  Did the journo in the Oz put them to say the NT Undertreasurer?  Just to see whether ther might have been a non-racist answer?

Or did the Journo just ASSume?

Sounds like a puff piece dressed up to appeal to those who hold certain opinions and want those opinions pandered to.

Just a thought, maybe some people decide for themselves when they want to retire and grab their super payouts?  Maybe the NT Government does not determine the interest rates it spends?  Maybe the money for aboriginal people was not spent because the consultation processes took longer than the people &#039;down south&#039; determined it should be?  Maybe aboriginal people might want to think a bit longer about some issues than bureaucrats &#039;down south&#039; think appropriate?  Maybe the money is actually still there, just not spent yet because of those consultation processes?

Just a few questions that should have occurred to a cadet journo just out of school, starting out in a minor regional newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Chris @ 13 those are good questions.  Did the journo in the Oz put them to say the NT Undertreasurer?  Just to see whether ther might have been a non-racist answer?</p>
<p>Or did the Journo just ASSume?</p>
<p>Sounds like a puff piece dressed up to appeal to those who hold certain opinions and want those opinions pandered to.</p>
<p>Just a thought, maybe some people decide for themselves when they want to retire and grab their super payouts?  Maybe the NT Government does not determine the interest rates it spends?  Maybe the money for aboriginal people was not spent because the consultation processes took longer than the people &#8216;down south&#8217; determined it should be?  Maybe aboriginal people might want to think a bit longer about some issues than bureaucrats &#8216;down south&#8217; think appropriate?  Maybe the money is actually still there, just not spent yet because of those consultation processes?</p>
<p>Just a few questions that should have occurred to a cadet journo just out of school, starting out in a minor regional newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Pterosaur</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124215</link>
		<dc:creator>Pterosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially as we all know that pointing out racism/racists for what they are is a MUCH more serious matter than racism is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially as we all know that pointing out racism/racists for what they are is a MUCH more serious matter than racism is.</p>
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		<title>By: Pterosaur</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124216</link>
		<dc:creator>Pterosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially as we all know that pointing out racism/racists for what they are is a MUCH more heinous crime than racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially as we all know that pointing out racism/racists for what they are is a MUCH more heinous crime than racism.</p>
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		<title>By: A Gnome Named Grimble Grumble</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124214</link>
		<dc:creator>A Gnome Named Grimble Grumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important thing is to call as many people racist as often as you can.

You&#039;re all raaaaaaacists.

Hey, I feel better already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important thing is to call as many people racist as often as you can.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re all raaaaaaacists.</p>
<p>Hey, I feel better already.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124213</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, interest costs are generally fixed indendently of Government, and so are its super liabilities. ie the question NOT answered or even posed by the Oz was whether or not the NT Govt had any choice but to pay up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well what would the NT government have done if they hadn&#039;t been given the money by the federal government that was intended for indigenous australians?

At the very least it shows very poor planning - how could they not have known well in advance what their superannuation payment requirements were going to be? And why did they decide to divert money from the pile intended for indigenous australians instead of from the pile that funded services in mainstream areas?

It may well not have been racist in intent, but they certainly had a choice where they took the money from and they chose the route that would harm them politically the least. Maybe the lesson here is - make sure you don&#039;t live in a safe labor or liberal seat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, interest costs are generally fixed indendently of Government, and so are its super liabilities. ie the question NOT answered or even posed by the Oz was whether or not the NT Govt had any choice but to pay up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well what would the NT government have done if they hadn&#8217;t been given the money by the federal government that was intended for indigenous australians?</p>
<p>At the very least it shows very poor planning &#8211; how could they not have known well in advance what their superannuation payment requirements were going to be? And why did they decide to divert money from the pile intended for indigenous australians instead of from the pile that funded services in mainstream areas?</p>
<p>It may well not have been racist in intent, but they certainly had a choice where they took the money from and they chose the route that would harm them politically the least. Maybe the lesson here is &#8211; make sure you don&#8217;t live in a safe labor or liberal seat!</p>
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		<title>By: marks</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124212</link>
		<dc:creator>marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this would be all very well if the Oz article bore close scrutiny.

However, interest costs are generally fixed indendently of Government, and so are its super liabilities.  ie the question NOT answered or even posed by the Oz was whether or not the NT Govt had any choice but to pay up.

eg, could the NT Govt just say it wasn&#039;t going to pay the super?  Could the NT Govt just have said to its financiers: &quot;Sorry, the agc sez we don&#039;t have to pay that amount of interest?&quot;

Sounds to me like the Oz is pandering to the prejudice that the NT is racist.  (And of course all southerners are not).

Of course well meaning but ignorant people from down south have never imposed &#039;solutions&#039; that have turned out to be disastrous have they?

Racism must be resisted at all levels and in every instance - however, half arsed sloppy journalism appealing to other prejudices ain&#039;t helpful at all.  They just &#039;prove&#039; to the rednecks how stupid the southerners are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this would be all very well if the Oz article bore close scrutiny.</p>
<p>However, interest costs are generally fixed indendently of Government, and so are its super liabilities.  ie the question NOT answered or even posed by the Oz was whether or not the NT Govt had any choice but to pay up.</p>
<p>eg, could the NT Govt just say it wasn&#8217;t going to pay the super?  Could the NT Govt just have said to its financiers: &#8220;Sorry, the agc sez we don&#8217;t have to pay that amount of interest?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds to me like the Oz is pandering to the prejudice that the NT is racist.  (And of course all southerners are not).</p>
<p>Of course well meaning but ignorant people from down south have never imposed &#8216;solutions&#8217; that have turned out to be disastrous have they?</p>
<p>Racism must be resisted at all levels and in every instance &#8211; however, half arsed sloppy journalism appealing to other prejudices ain&#8217;t helpful at all.  They just &#8216;prove&#8217; to the rednecks how stupid the southerners are.</p>
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		<title>By: Student T</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/30/racist-theft/#comment-124211</link>
		<dc:creator>Student T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But that would require Australians to accept that indigenous people matter, that they are human beings.&quot; What a self loathing embarassment you are IS. State governments mis-appropriate money for indigenes = thieving racist nation. If a state government mis-appropriates any of the education revolution money, does that make us a thieving kid hating nation? Nice logic.

How about we take note of the $2,000,000,000 allocated. There are about 70,000 nominally indigenous people in NT which is almost $30,000 per head. This is in addition to normal welfare entitlements. Nation of racist thugs we are. No question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But that would require Australians to accept that indigenous people matter, that they are human beings.&#8221; What a self loathing embarassment you are IS. State governments mis-appropriate money for indigenes = thieving racist nation. If a state government mis-appropriates any of the education revolution money, does that make us a thieving kid hating nation? Nice logic.</p>
<p>How about we take note of the $2,000,000,000 allocated. There are about 70,000 nominally indigenous people in NT which is almost $30,000 per head. This is in addition to normal welfare entitlements. Nation of racist thugs we are. No question.</p>
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