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	<title>Comments on: CPRS defeated in Senate: Open thread</title>
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		<title>By: myriad74</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/12/02/cprs-defeated-in-senate-open-thread/#comment-114220</link>
		<dc:creator>myriad74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no worries Paul - at least time I didn&#039;t think you were trying to out me in some way. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no worries Paul &#8211; at least time I didn&#8217;t think you were trying to out me in some way. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myriad74 #170, my apologies for the involuntary gender reassignment.  I really should have known better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myriad74 #170, my apologies for the involuntary gender reassignment.  I really should have known better.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India to reduce CO2 intensity 25% by 2020. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2761558.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India to reduce CO2 intensity 25% by 2020. <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2761558.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/04/2761558.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: myriad74</title>
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		<dc:creator>myriad74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup Paul.  And btw I&#039;m a she :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup Paul.  And btw I&#8217;m a she <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too think it&#039;s likely that if and when the Greens&#039; support base and political presence grows to something like the same order of magnitude as Labor, the Greens&#039; politic practice and internal organisational practices will become rather like those of Labor.  To say what myriad74 sayd in his second par, but in a different way, I hope that &quot;rather like&quot; doesn&#039;t become &quot;exactly like&quot; and that, if we are foredoomed to the rise of a Green Bob Hawke one day, we can nonetheless be spared the emergence of a Green Joe Tripodi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think it&#8217;s likely that if and when the Greens&#8217; support base and political presence grows to something like the same order of magnitude as Labor, the Greens&#8217; politic practice and internal organisational practices will become rather like those of Labor.  To say what myriad74 sayd in his second par, but in a different way, I hope that &#8220;rather like&#8221; doesn&#8217;t become &#8220;exactly like&#8221; and that, if we are foredoomed to the rise of a Green Bob Hawke one day, we can nonetheless be spared the emergence of a Green Joe Tripodi.</p>
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		<title>By: myriad74</title>
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		<dc:creator>myriad74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginja

I&#039;m under no illusions that the Greens as we grow will face the same ethical dilemmas, ideological differences etc. that face all major political parties and must be addressed.

My hope as a Green is that as we&#039;ll maintain sufficient checks and balances to avoid many of the pitfalls, and we&#039;ll remember why we formed in the first place.

The flip-side of the scrutiny/cynicism you speak of aimed at the ALP / Libs is that the same and the MSM frequently convince themselves that the Greens are irrelevant which = no media coverage etc. So it&#039;s swings and roundabouts. As I said, I&#039;d personally welcome more attention and scrutiny, both (of course) to increase our profile and reach to voters, and to ensure we face serious fourth estate investigation as a major tool towards mitigating / avoiding potential straying from the path of integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginja</p>
<p>I&#8217;m under no illusions that the Greens as we grow will face the same ethical dilemmas, ideological differences etc. that face all major political parties and must be addressed.</p>
<p>My hope as a Green is that as we&#8217;ll maintain sufficient checks and balances to avoid many of the pitfalls, and we&#8217;ll remember why we formed in the first place.</p>
<p>The flip-side of the scrutiny/cynicism you speak of aimed at the ALP / Libs is that the same and the MSM frequently convince themselves that the Greens are irrelevant which = no media coverage etc. So it&#8217;s swings and roundabouts. As I said, I&#8217;d personally welcome more attention and scrutiny, both (of course) to increase our profile and reach to voters, and to ensure we face serious fourth estate investigation as a major tool towards mitigating / avoiding potential straying from the path of integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myriad74: I&#039;ll take your word for it that the Greens don&#039;t have factions.  But if and when the federal caucus grows above five members, trust me, factions will form.  This is my whole issue: the idea that there is some amazing species, Homo Greenicus, above all normal human behaviour.

And you&#039;re right that most people wouldn&#039;t know about internal party processes.  But most people at LP know about the ALP&#039;s rules without ever combing through the party&#039;s rules book.  The constant media attention on these kinds of issues percolates throughout the whole community, creating cynicism about the major parties but none for the Greens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myriad74: I&#8217;ll take your word for it that the Greens don&#8217;t have factions.  But if and when the federal caucus grows above five members, trust me, factions will form.  This is my whole issue: the idea that there is some amazing species, Homo Greenicus, above all normal human behaviour.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that most people wouldn&#8217;t know about internal party processes.  But most people at LP know about the ALP&#8217;s rules without ever combing through the party&#8217;s rules book.  The constant media attention on these kinds of issues percolates throughout the whole community, creating cynicism about the major parties but none for the Greens.</p>
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		<title>By: myriad74</title>
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		<dc:creator>myriad74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Paul N - had forgotten all that.

There does seem to be increasing signs of unions lobbying the other way, but no breath holding here in terms of efficacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul N &#8211; had forgotten all that.</p>
<p>There does seem to be increasing signs of unions lobbying the other way, but no breath holding here in terms of efficacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacKerras, will be right....or so close it doesn&#039;t matter.

I said it before: DD

For more than one reason. But mainly to see the raving mad right in the liberal party burnt to a crisp.

If Abbott coulkd manage to lose his seat....that would be so cool. Whats an 8.8 percent swing  anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacKerras, will be right&#8230;.or so close it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>I said it before: DD</p>
<p>For more than one reason. But mainly to see the raving mad right in the liberal party burnt to a crisp.</p>
<p>If Abbott coulkd manage to lose his seat&#8230;.that would be so cool. Whats an 8.8 percent swing  anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacKerras has got his hand on it, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacKerras has got his hand on it, again.</p>
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