I’d also remind people that imputation of motives to others is against our comments policy, which carries sanctions for breaches.

For anyone who’s interested in continuing the discussion about the aftermath of Copenhagen, you may wish to comment on whichever of my ‘After Copenhagen’ posts seems most germane. But I give fair warning I will just delete any comments which I consider to be off topic or trolling.

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/12/22/after-copenhagen/

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/12/22/after-copenhagen-ii-whither-progressive-politics/

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/12/22/after-copenhagen-iii-the-domestic-politics/

“these yapping peddlers of misanthropy are to be…ignored.”

Yes, well, if we’re so insignificant perhaps you’d do the decent thing and take your own advice.

You probably would be able to ignore us if you weren’t so alone.

I’d never heard of this Bahro bloke, anthony – he sounds extremely interesting. (Obviously the reason I’ve never heard of him is because the GDR had much the same view of him as Ueberkapitalisten like Rob.

For now the Zionists and financiers can sleep easily at night, for Fran – the talisman of Trotsky – has found some new ‘Others’ to sacrifice on the stake of her ressentiment. Death to the filth merchants and the kulaks of skepticism!

But what to do about those pests – the Australian people – who have laughed at, and flicked away every reincarnation of Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Rosa Luxemburg. For you see, over the past 12 months, these pests have identified another reincarnation anthropomorphized in Fran and the Hairshirt Hamiltons. For both “THE science” and the global warming discussion, these yapping peddlers of misanthropy are to be lamented. And ignored.

bahro was a genuinely independent thinker. Sorry about the length of the block quote that follows but I think that this sort of (rare) intellectual and personal independence actually informs many more people than you imagine:

“Bahro’s position was firmly against the economic and spiritual basis of “industrialist” civilization. In a famous phrase he claimed that the disintegration of the industrial world “is the best thing about it and…we must say ‘yes’ to it and assist it as far as possible”.[4]

In Bahro’s view, both the Capitalist and Communist blocs had pursued policies aimed at promoting unlimited economic development on a planet with limited resources. “One cannot have an essentially expansive development of humanity that is governed by the multiplication of money on a finite planet,” he told an interviewer for the Berliner Zeitung.[5]

The Irish TD Trevor Sargent summarized Bahro’s contribution to both ecological and socialist thought this way: “Rudolf Bahro was an East German Marxist who later became a leading figure in the West German Greens. He shows [in The Alternative] how Eastern Europe’s ‘non-capitalist’ road to industrialisation has been shaped by the same growth-based ideals and methods as Western capitalism. He also shows how the working classes of both West and East have the exploitation of nature and the “Third World” in common. Defending their own societies’ privileged positions on the world market, they add to global inequality. Bahro sees the division of labour as the key to oppression at work and at home, and examines ways of breaking it down and rebuilding society from the bottom up, starting with self-governing neighbourhoods and workplaces.”[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Bahro

In other words what has happened is no mere bandwagon. Here we go.

Rob’s post is one long exercise in Piling Pelion upon Ossa.

What it does not do is take the most important question — what the basic science actually tells us — and deal with that.

For the filth merchant types, it’s as if they have been given a cast of characters, and been asked to invent a rollicking Da Vinci Code-style potboiler. For each, the bit players’ significance to the plot varies, but they can all agree that a secretive order of scientific illuminati is pulling the strings, or at least playing pizzicato with them.

I’m reminded of that scene from The Life of Brian …

it’s the Holy Gourd … no no, it’s the sandal

except this lot go on as if it can all co-exist in the same paradigm.

In any case, I can’t help – I don’t want any of the stupid to rub off on me, as it’s too hard to wash off.