Comments on: Liberals and The City http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:45:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: KeiThy http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108681 KeiThy Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:59:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108681 "The guy is a toxic bore," : the Fibs are hurting and know they need a rabbit! “The guy is a toxic bore,” : the Fibs are hurting and know they need a rabbit!

]]> By: mehitabel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108680 mehitabel Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:12:07 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108680 35 Jacques No 35

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]]> By: Jacques de Molay http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108679 Jacques de Molay Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:21:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108679 Isn't Stephen "I rule the internets" Conroy a member of Opus Dei? Isn’t Stephen “I rule the internets” Conroy a member of Opus Dei?

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108678 Paul Burns Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:53:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108678 Oh, and thirdly, as I understand it, after the Great Split there was a Vatican prohibition against the Church meddling in Aussie domestic politics. Oh, and thirdly, as I understand it, after the Great Split there was a Vatican prohibition against the Church meddling in Aussie domestic politics.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108677 Paul Burns Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:50:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108677 The inner workings of the modern Liberal Party sound endlessly intriguing, Andrew. I suspect they will keep future political historians going for decades. Just one, or perhaps several questions, if you know. What bodies? Where are they buried? what would be the consequences of their resurrection? I'm aware in the past the Libs have had some very peculiar associations on the far right, but I thought they'd cleaned their act up considerably/ (and, while I acknowledge their possible influences I don't really buy the Opus Dei stuff. First, it sounds like classic leftie propaganda, and secondly, why on earth would Opus Dei bother? The inner workings of the modern Liberal Party sound endlessly intriguing, Andrew. I suspect they will keep future political historians going for decades.
Just one, or perhaps several questions, if you know. What bodies? Where are they buried? what would be the consequences of their resurrection?
I’m aware in the past the Libs have had some very peculiar associations on the far right, but I thought they’d cleaned their act up considerably/ (and, while I acknowledge their possible influences I don’t really buy the Opus Dei stuff. First, it sounds like classic leftie propaganda, and secondly, why on earth would Opus Dei bother?

]]> By: Andrew E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108676 Andrew E Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:05:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108676 Paul, The sturm and drang coming from Clarke etc over the past six months only happens when his power slips. When his power is in the ascendant, he makes pronouncements in his own name and gloats over the defeat of his opponents. O'Farrell is unusual in that he knows exactly where the bodies are buried within the organisation and can beat Clarke at his own game: someone like Turnbull can't and doesn't (didn't?) think it was important, Brogden could not rise above being a factional player and Debnam was too dumb to appreciate the consequences of being owned to the extent that he was. I also disagree with the idea of a "Keneally Catastrophe" - it wouldn't be a catastrophe for NSW Labor to be relieved of responsibilities they are not capable of executing, and you can't blame Keneally because she is so insipid. Paul,

The sturm and drang coming from Clarke etc over the past six months only happens when his power slips. When his power is in the ascendant, he makes pronouncements in his own name and gloats over the defeat of his opponents. O’Farrell is unusual in that he knows exactly where the bodies are buried within the organisation and can beat Clarke at his own game: someone like Turnbull can’t and doesn’t (didn’t?) think it was important, Brogden could not rise above being a factional player and Debnam was too dumb to appreciate the consequences of being owned to the extent that he was.

I also disagree with the idea of a “Keneally Catastrophe” – it wouldn’t be a catastrophe for NSW Labor to be relieved of responsibilities they are not capable of executing, and you can’t blame Keneally because she is so insipid.

]]> By: mehitabel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108675 mehitabel Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:50:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108675 Paul after the few I mentioned, I became too scared to do further research.... Paul

after the few I mentioned, I became too scared to do further research….

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108674 Paul Norton Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:07:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108674 Mehitabel #28, you left out Fierravanti-Wells, Abetz, Minchin, Bernardi and Alex Hawke - high in fruit and nut content, as a rurally ghettoised Liberal Party could be expected to be. Mehitabel #28, you left out Fierravanti-Wells, Abetz, Minchin, Bernardi and Alex Hawke – high in fruit and nut content, as a rurally ghettoised Liberal Party could be expected to be.

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108673 Paul Norton Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:04:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108673 Elise and patrickg, I first visited Brisbane as an adult in September 1987. In a matter of weeks Joh Bjelke-Petersen had resigned as Premier. I moved to Brisbane in September 1988. Fifteen months later the Goss Government was elected. LIkewise all the progressive sociocultural changes you mention postdate my arrival in Brisbane. Post hoc ergo propter hoc? Speaking seriously, one interesting and significant aspect of One Nation's strong performance in the 1998 State election is that it wasn't confined to regional and rural Queensland. It also did surprisingly well in suburban areas (e.g. around 25 per cent in staunchly proletarian Rocklea where I was campaigning). An important question (at least historically) is how much of this support was based on agreement with at least some of the sentiments One Nation was expressing, how much was based on "outsiders'" empathy with a perceived fellow outsider in Hanson, and how much was an outright protest vote regardless of the policies or personalities involved. Elise and patrickg, I first visited Brisbane as an adult in September 1987. In a matter of weeks Joh Bjelke-Petersen had resigned as Premier. I moved to Brisbane in September 1988. Fifteen months later the Goss Government was elected. LIkewise all the progressive sociocultural changes you mention postdate my arrival in Brisbane. Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Speaking seriously, one interesting and significant aspect of One Nation’s strong performance in the 1998 State election is that it wasn’t confined to regional and rural Queensland. It also did surprisingly well in suburban areas (e.g. around 25 per cent in staunchly proletarian Rocklea where I was campaigning). An important question (at least historically) is how much of this support was based on agreement with at least some of the sentiments One Nation was expressing, how much was based on “outsiders’” empathy with a perceived fellow outsider in Hanson, and how much was an outright protest vote regardless of the policies or personalities involved.

]]> By: mehitabel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/08/liberals-and-the-city/#comment-108672 mehitabel Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:12:03 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=11969#comment-108672 Just a reminder: Bracks formed government with the support of three country based independents. A Federal liberal party consisting of Abbott, both Bishops, Tuckey, Mirabella, Stone, with no moderates left to politely tell them they're bonkers. Hmmmm, tempting. Just a reminder: Bracks formed government with the support of three country based independents.

A Federal liberal party consisting of Abbott, both Bishops, Tuckey, Mirabella, Stone, with no moderates left to politely tell them they’re bonkers.

Hmmmm, tempting.

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