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21 responses to “Senator Kate Lundy speaks out against mandatory filtering”

  1. Chris

    But for Lundy it’s the least-worst option. It “respects people can make an informed choice” while upholding a policy Labor took to the last election (she says she was against it then, too).

    I think it takes a fairly creative reading of the pre-election policy document to believe that a mandatory filter for all was Labor party policy at the last election. Unless the document was deliberately written to be misleading then all the was promised was that ISPs would have to offer a filter and primarily for those computers that could be accessed by children.

    Congratulations to Senator Lundy for advocating within her party to change Conroy’s proposal, but unfortunately she has also said she is bound by caucus and will vote for the mandatory filter in parliament if that is what ends up getting submitted.

  2. Chade

    Does this mean she actually did read the numerous vociferous posts against Labor’s filter on her blog from last month then?

  3. Mark

    She might well have done. It’s a real pity that she was dumped from the front bench, as she’s one of the few Labor pollies at federal level who really does genuinely engage online. And about policy, not KRudd’s drivel about what he’s up to.

  4. Ginja

    At the risk of half of LP piling on, I have to ask: is this really such a big free speech issue?

    I mean, I doubt even Voltaire would head to the barricades to defend internet smut.

  5. Veltyen

    Ginja,

    Occupational hazard in my case (Internet/Web IT specialist). Partly that’s why I can see how to trivially avoid it as well.

    The problem is a combination of government waste and security blanket, rather then solely a free speech issue. If someone offered you a stone that repelled tigers for $100 would it be a good investment?

    What is being offered is a solution that won’t diminish illegal activity of any kind, will allow future governments to control speech and twist the societies perceptions to their will in a subtle underhanded way, and will give a false sense of security that “little johnny” will no longer be able to accidently access hard core porn. Free speech, at least in my case, isn’t that much of a part of it.

    On the other hand I also quite like the idea of the filter. It would mean that quickly Australia would become quite savvy about various encrypted communication methods, giving a leg up in the international competition.

  6. rumrebellious

    I ain’t no literati, but wasn’t Voltaire friends with the Marquis de Sade?

    What would Voltaire do?

  7. Mark

    @4 – Ginja – that question was pretty comprehensively thrashed out on a couple of other threads recently:

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/?s=efa

  8. Ginja

    Veltyen, you probably have a point about cost and effectiveness, but do governments really want to control speech? Sure, governments have their spin doctors and they control what information is released into the public domain, but is censorship of the media on anyone’s agenda? If the Iranian regime can’t successfully censor the internet I wouldn’t lay awake at night worrying about the dark designs of our government.

    For a generation now most Australian capitals have had only one metropolitan paper. To me, that’s a concrete, urgent free speech issue to get worked up about.

  9. Chookie

    Describing this a Lundy’s hobbyhorse is a bit unkind. She is the closest thing to an IT expert in Parliament; has been for a long time. The pity is that the rest of them aren’t listening.

  10. Paul Burns

    rumrebellious @ 6,
    Just checked the two biographies I’ve got of Voltaire. Des Sade is not in the index.
    So, maybe, no.

  11. Ginja

    Thanks Mark.

    Paul Burns: bugger, that’d make him even more interesting!

  12. Mark

    No probs!

  13. rumrebellious

    Bugger; so we can’t trust my memory but can we trust the internets?

    Upon hearing of the way his son was being ‘corrupted’ by the attentions of the female family members, his father moved him to live with his uncle at Saumane, the Abbé Jacques-François Sade. He thought a masculine role model was needed for his son.

    A close friend of Voltaire (a well-known French philosopher), the Abbé shared the warm and sensual nature of his sisters. Voltaire encouraged this worldly side with poems.

    However much of a priest you are,
    O Sir, you’ll continue to love.
    That is your true ministry,
    be you a bishop or the Holy Father.
    You will love,
    you will seduce,
    and you’ll equally succeed,
    in the Church and in Cythera1.

    Known as the ‘sybarite2 of Saumane’, the Abbé was a fond fancier of the female form. While living with his uncle, Sade had some of those females as housemates, including a mother and daughter, a maid, and a prostitute. Orgies were not uncommon in the church grounds at his official residence in Auvergne.

    So they may have met at least?

  14. Paul Burns

    rumrebellious @ 13,
    Voltaire knew Sade’s uncle. From memory Sade was quite young when he went to stay with his uncle, (maybe even a teenager.) Sade himself was the next generation, and Voltaire I thunk was in exile in Switzerland at the time the Marquis began to flourish. From memory his flourishing didn’t last long. His mother in law had him locked away for whipping a servant girl and encouraging her (the mother in law’s) daughter, his wife, to participate, for which I think, he was tried and imprisoned. She had influential contacts at court. One has to be very careful ascribing to Sade the kind of sadistic activities he wrote about as fantasiesa during his various bouts in prison or the asylum. Mainly he just had a very dirty mind, and managed to annnoy everybody from the French aristocracy, to the King, to Revolutionaries, to Napoleon.
    At least, that’s what I think.

  15. zoot

    … do governments really want to control speech?

    Is the Pope Catholic?

  16. David Irving (no relation)

    Ginja @ 8, even if this government didn’t want to control speech (which I would dispute, but that’s another story), can you imagine what a Coalition government with, say, Abbott as a Minchivic sock-puppet would do with it?

  17. Razor

    Talk is cheap – unless Lundy can actually change the legislation or cross the floor what she has to say isn’t worth the paper it is printed on.

  18. Ginja

    Zoot and David Irving: the previous government manipulated the media in all sorts of ways, mostly by preventing information from entering the public domain: no pictures of refugees that could make them seem ordinary and human (as always, on the pretext of protecting them), using the federal police like never before to go after public servants that leak. They dug for dirt and smeared anyone who spoke up against them, they selectively leaked classified defence information to their friends in the media – all the grubby, Nixon-esque tactics we’ve come to expect from the Libs. But I can’t think of any case of outright censorship.

  19. rumrebellious

    Cheers Paul. :-)

    I have to agree with Razor though. I guess she is supplying an avenue for ventage for the disaffected within ALP.

    The rest of caucus still need to be targeted though.

    What are Kate Lundy’s view’s on ACTA and does anyone have a summary of what view she took to the US-FTA policy debates of 2004 when Mark Latham dumped her from the ministry?

  20. joehungry

    Sorry folks. Google answers all.

  21. Matt Francis

    While free speech is an important issue, I think it’s unhelpful that this tends to dominate discussion of this issue. It makes it far easire to dismiss, because likening Australia to Iran, China, Burma etc sounds like ranting hyperbole, regardless of how accurate that might be.

    The real story is that the Government is spending millions on something that will have no positive effect and will slow the Internet to some extent (whether that would be negligable in a fully operational system is not yet known, even given the testing done so far).

    There is very little illegal pornography that is availble via a simple URL, and that is the only thing this filter blocks. It won’t prevent material being distributed via bit torrent, through instant messaging clients and chat rooms, by email, etc etc. Past law enforcement experience as shown that kiddie porn rings are close circles that are hard to get into and careful about how information is transmitted. The only way to put a stop to this activity is good covert policing, which has had success in the past.

    Conroy recently responded to Crikey’s criticism by essentially taking the ‘if you oppose this you must support child porn’ angle. That’s stupid. I’d support any effective policy to stop this activity, and that means diverting the many millions that will be wasted on this hi-tech placebo into improved police resources and better education/resources for parents wanting to help keep their kids out of strife online.

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