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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112778</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the predictions that the publication of Naplan results will cause schools to shift their focus to &quot;teach to the test&quot; (already noted in the UK) are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/teach-for-tests-teachers-told-20100204-ng6o.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;correct&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the predictions that the publication of Naplan results will cause schools to shift their focus to &#8220;teach to the test&#8221; (already noted in the UK) are <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/teach-for-tests-teachers-told-20100204-ng6o.html" rel="nofollow">correct</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: billie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112777</link>
		<dc:creator>billie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most principals look for young male maths / science teachers.

Since Victorian school find their own teachers, decentralised staffing, the are very vague numbers for numbers of graduates, number of experienced tteachers moving in, vacancies.

Without accurate statistics there are inaccurate numbers and poor policy with no ability to plan for the future systematically and improve the system

Until 2005 all vacancies longer than 2 weeks were published in the Teaching Gazette.  Today only vacancies longer than 6 months are advertised.  These vacancies are advertised on the Education Department online website.  It&#039;s not a copy of the very effective TAFE staffing website, its an American Peoplesoft mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most principals look for young male maths / science teachers.</p>
<p>Since Victorian school find their own teachers, decentralised staffing, the are very vague numbers for numbers of graduates, number of experienced tteachers moving in, vacancies.</p>
<p>Without accurate statistics there are inaccurate numbers and poor policy with no ability to plan for the future systematically and improve the system</p>
<p>Until 2005 all vacancies longer than 2 weeks were published in the Teaching Gazette.  Today only vacancies longer than 6 months are advertised.  These vacancies are advertised on the Education Department online website.  It&#8217;s not a copy of the very effective TAFE staffing website, its an American Peoplesoft mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billie, I dunno what it&#039;s like now, but my understanding is that there is generally no shortage of English and humanities teachers, but a perpetual shortage of mathematics, science, and foreign language teachers in high schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billie, I dunno what it&#8217;s like now, but my understanding is that there is generally no shortage of English and humanities teachers, but a perpetual shortage of mathematics, science, and foreign language teachers in high schools.</p>
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		<title>By: billie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112775</link>
		<dc:creator>billie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we need Teach For Australia?

For the past 20 years each year there more 8000 trained teachers looking for  work than there are positions in Victoria.  When principals say they can&#039;t find teachers they mean they can&#039;t find slender 25 year old Melbourne Uni graduates who studied at a western suburbs high school.  After 18 months hunting for work I have developed a league table of where not to study for a Dip Ed and where to study - if you want to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we need Teach For Australia?</p>
<p>For the past 20 years each year there more 8000 trained teachers looking for  work than there are positions in Victoria.  When principals say they can&#8217;t find teachers they mean they can&#8217;t find slender 25 year old Melbourne Uni graduates who studied at a western suburbs high school.  After 18 months hunting for work I have developed a league table of where not to study for a Dip Ed and where to study &#8211; if you want to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112774</link>
		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Meanwhile, on the politics of MySchool, Julia Gillard continues to be applauded by people who will never vote Labor anyway.&quot;

Yes, intelligent words from Miranda Devine -- Teach for America must be the way to go, and when you need evidence, you should always ask the organization you are evaluating to provide it (or look at their web site, even easier). You always want unbiased independent evidence, after all.

If she&#039;d bothered to do a better search, she would have found that at best tiny positive effects from these sorts of programs, even when you include teachers as inexperienced as the Teach-for-America ones into your control group (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/PDFs/teach.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this publication&lt;/a&gt;). This doesn&#039;t even take into account all of the other problems the program creates, like the 2 year turnover, dissatisfaction amongst the TFA teachers etc. .

The other strange thing about it is that she obviously doesn&#039;t read the paper she comments for. Had she done that, she would have found out that negative results are found from these programs in some cases also (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-view-from-america-what-on-earth-are-you-thinking-20090816-eme4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;look e.g. here&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, on the politics of MySchool, Julia Gillard continues to be applauded by people who will never vote Labor anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, intelligent words from Miranda Devine &#8212; Teach for America must be the way to go, and when you need evidence, you should always ask the organization you are evaluating to provide it (or look at their web site, even easier). You always want unbiased independent evidence, after all.</p>
<p>If she&#8217;d bothered to do a better search, she would have found that at best tiny positive effects from these sorts of programs, even when you include teachers as inexperienced as the Teach-for-America ones into your control group (e.g., <a href="http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/PDFs/teach.pdf" rel="nofollow">this publication</a>). This doesn&#8217;t even take into account all of the other problems the program creates, like the 2 year turnover, dissatisfaction amongst the TFA teachers etc. .</p>
<p>The other strange thing about it is that she obviously doesn&#8217;t read the paper she comments for. Had she done that, she would have found out that negative results are found from these programs in some cases also (<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-view-from-america-what-on-earth-are-you-thinking-20090816-eme4.html" rel="nofollow">look e.g. here</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112773</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, on the politics of MySchool, Julia Gillard continues to be applauded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/give-good-teachers-a-gold-star-and-put-the-bad-ones-out-to-pasture-20100203-ndfa.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;people who will never vote Labor anyway&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, on the politics of MySchool, Julia Gillard continues to be applauded by <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/give-good-teachers-a-gold-star-and-put-the-bad-ones-out-to-pasture-20100203-ndfa.html" rel="nofollow">people who will never vote Labor anyway</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did notice BSHS and Northcote were on the same page :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did notice BSHS and Northcote were on the same page <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooh. I just looked at Brisbane State High, the biggest and fanciest State school in Qld, and it&#039;s also statistically similar to Fort Street and Northcote, but NOT similar to my kid&#039;s primary school.

d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh. I just looked at Brisbane State High, the biggest and fanciest State school in Qld, and it&#8217;s also statistically similar to Fort Street and Northcote, but NOT similar to my kid&#8217;s primary school.</p>
<p>d</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. My kid&#039;s school, a little 250 kid inner-suburb Brisbane primary school, is statistically similar to only one other school in Qld and is in the same group as Fort Street High School and Northcote High School.

d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. My kid&#8217;s school, a little 250 kid inner-suburb Brisbane primary school, is statistically similar to only one other school in Qld and is in the same group as Fort Street High School and Northcote High School.</p>
<p>d</p>
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		<title>By: Martin B</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/28/myschool-demography-fail/#comment-112769</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would presume that they take data from their residential address in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would presume that they take data from their residential address in Australia.</p>
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