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19 responses to “And still they defend him”

  1. Cooper

    “…while they accuse the medical establishment and Big Pharma and the government (and …) of failing to adequately test the MMR vaccine for harmful consequences before adding it to the standard vaccination regimen, they uncritically embrace treatments whose safety, let alone efficacy, has never been tested…”

    Great article tigtog.

    Having worked as an allied health professional for many years with children with physical and intellectual disabilities, this thinking never ceased to amaze or confuse me. In one memorable encounter myself and another therapist threatened to resign over a particular “treatment” we were expected to work in conjunction with, that we felt was putting children at risk.

    I do however understand a parents desire to do whatever they can to help their children.

  2. MikeM

    U.S. Court Finds No Link Between Vaccines, Autism
    By Shankar Vedantam
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, February 13, 2009

    A special federal court ruled yesterday that vaccines do not cause autism and that thousands of families with autistic children are not entitled to compensation, delivering a major blow to an international movement that has tried for years to link childhood immunizations with the devastating disorder.

    The ruling closes one chapter in a long feud that has pitted families with autistic children against the bulk of the scientific establishment. Those who believe passionately that routine childhood shots are to blame for the rising toll of autism feel they are locked in a David-and-Goliath struggle against vaccine manufacturers, corrupt scientists, federal agencies and the mainstream media. It remains to be seen whether yesterday’s ruling will end the controversy — or be seen as just more evidence of what some call a conspiracy.

    The vast majority of credible scientific studies have shown — and all federal health agencies have strenuously argued — that there is no connection between vaccines and autism. And public health officials have repeatedly warned that fewer immunizations will endanger children’s lives.

    Nevertheless, concerns about vaccines such as the “MMR” shot, which protects children against measles, mumps and rubella, have grown so widespread that some parents are choosing to forgo vaccinations. About one in 12 children does not receive the MMR vaccine in the United States, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

    Yesterday’s ruling involved three separate cases, each of which explored a different mechanism by which vaccines might cause autism. Working independently, three special masters acting as judges in the federal “vaccine court” issued separate but similar rulings that found no evidence that the vaccines had caused the children’s disorders.

    The decisions are especially telling because the rules of the vaccine court did not require the plaintiffs to prove their cases with scientific certainty — all the families needed to show was a preponderance of the evidence, or “50 percent and a hair.” To the extent that these cases are representative of the claims made by some 4,800 other families seeking compensation, those cases would appear to be on shaky ground.

    Ruling on a case brought by Theresa and Michael Cedillo of Yuma, Ariz., special master George L. Hastings used italicized words for emphasis and wrote that his extensive analysis of the evidence showed that the Cedillos’ vaccine-autism theory was “very wrong.”

    “Unfortunately, the Cedillos have been misled by physicians who are guilty, in my view, of gross medical misjudgment,” Hastings wrote.

    The Cedillos contend that their daughter Michelle abruptly fell sick a week after she received an MMR shot when she was about 16 months old. Today, at age 14, she requires round-the-clock care, suffers from seizures, has lost nearly all her vision and has constant abdominal pain.

    “We are terribly disappointed by the decision,” Theresa Cedillo said in an interview. Referring to Michelle, she said, “I feel she was vaccine-injured and should be entitled to compensation.”

    The rulings are subject to appeal, and Kevin Conway, a lawyer representing the Cedillos, said there was no question of throwing in the towel. [...]

    (Source)

  3. Chumpai

    I work as a vaccine scientist and I’m often surprised about the number of questions I get from people in medical fields and even other scientists who are worried about vaccinating their kids. I guess parents often feel guilty about their kids getting two or three painful jabs at once, its probably tempting not to get them vaccinated.

    In some ways the vaccine skepticism is the fault of vaccine researchers that we don’t get out and promote vaccine safety.

    Thankfully rebutting anti-vaccine arguments are fairly easy. For example, vaccination is capable of eradicating (smallpox and polio in most countries). The other point is that for the vast majority of vaccines the side effects of the vaccine are far less damaging on the body than the actual disease.

    If parents don’t want to get their young children vaccinated, they may be putting immuno-compromised children at school and day care at risk. Simply put, un-vaccinated children should not be allowed to enrol in public schools at the very least.

    All that being said, a small number of people will be harmed by vaccine administration and we should have a national vaccination compensation pool for those who are damaged by vaccination.

  4. Lord Monckton

    I see nothing wrong with his paper at all and fully support his research.

    Lord Monckton – Nobel Laureate

  5. Mole

    “..All that being said, a small number of people will be harmed by vaccine administration and we should have a national vaccination compensation pool for those who are damaged by vaccination…”

    Who nellie, thats just sensible talk. Yup that would be a just way to handle it.

    A straightforward telling of the risks, then compo for bad outcomes.

  6. patrickg

    Yes, yes, yes, Tigtog.

  7. SCPritch

    “Thankfully rebutting anti-vaccine arguments are fairly easy.”

    Assuming a rational discussion. Mostly, people do not have enough faith in themselves or knowledge of science to be able to decide on the facts, so they rely on experts. And its the choice of ‘expert’ opinion that leads people astray.

    Many people are sadly happy to think that modern medicine is a corrupt authority (big pharma etc) and would rather rely on the friendly local naturopath for medical expertise they can trust.

  8. Zarquon

    If you have a twitter account, please vote for Dr Rachael Dunlop in the Shorty Award for health to counter the “alternative medicine” crackpots claiming validation from an award.

  9. tigtog

    @”Lord Monkton”,

    Seeing as how the UK inexplicably failed to take up your 1987 advice to quarantine everybody with AIDs, perhaps you can have more success in suggesting that they quarantine everybody on the autistic spectrum instead? or maybe just quarantine the climate scientists that you want to see sued for fraud?

    P.S. I’m glad that you didn’t really have to sell your house to cover the Eternity Puzzle prize money, that your claim about this was just a publicity stunt, and that you weren’t in fact suffering any financial hardship because the game was in fact so very popular. Embroidering a story for commercial PR is just standard business practise these days, isn’t it? Who could blame you? It’s so hard for classics graduates with a history of failed newspaper editorships behind them to get a gig these days.

    P.S. are you sure you posted this in the right thread?

  10. Spana

    The anti vaccination mob drive me insane. Generally I find them to be pretty ignorant people with little knowledge or experience of the developing world. Its oh so easy to be against vaccinating your kid when you live in Australia where most of the diseases have been controlled and where most people vaccinate their kid. These people bludge of the immunity of the herd. Their kids are safe because every one else vaccinates theirs. It is an incredibly selfish decision. I suggest they visit Bangladesh and see the effects of Polio. Their cause is disgusting and selfish and I would ask, if they were to travel to a country where disease still killed kids regularly would they vaccinate. One I knew sheepishly said Yes. Disgusting.

  11. Chookie

    Wakefield should have been locked up years ago. The Sunday Times newspaper found out that he had patented his own measles vaccine before publishing his Lancet paper. Business is business…

    The problem is that I’ve never met a rational anti-vaccer. So what do you do with them?

  12. David Irving (no relation)

    Chookie @ 11, with contempt.

  13. David Irving (no relation)

    Treat them with contempt, that is.

  14. SCPritch

    David Irving (no relation) @ 13, I don’t think contempt is the right approach to take with an upset mother who is absolutely convinced her autistic 5 year old developed the condition as a result of vaccination. I gather that a not insignificant proportion of parents of autistic children are now all in the antivax camp.

    I don’t know what the correct response is to such parents, but contempt isn’t it.

  15. tigtog

    @SCPritch,

    I gather that a not insignificant proportion of parents of autistic children are now all in the antivax camp.

    Of course, many of them move out of the antivax camp again when a subsequent child whom they have NOT vaccinated is also identified as neurodiverse along the autistic spectrum. Then they start to look a bit more closely at their family tree.

  16. David Irving (no relation)

    SCPritch @ 14, I have one son who has been diagnosed with an autistic spectrum disorder (high-functioning, thank christ, but his childhood was difficult), and another who we’re all pretty sure is at least touched. I reckon I’ve got it too. Both of them were immunised with the triple antigen, which I believe is the supposed culprit. (I may have that wrong, but I don’t actually care much.) I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have been, as I’m nearly 60.

    I also reckon that my father and grandfather had Asperger’s Syndrome, and neither of them would have been immunised against anything as children.

    Bullshit needs to be called and, if necessary, mocked.

  17. cautiouscowgirl

    great article TT :)

  18. feral sparrowhawk

    Excellent article Tigtog, but I can’t agree with Chumpai when he says, “Thankfully rebutting anti-vaccine arguments are fairly easy”

    Sure its easy to rationally demolish the arguements. Convincing people is a different matter. I have a friend who has recently been diagnosed with a terrible disease. Before that, she had a vaccination shot against a different disease. And then she was contacted by someone who thinks there is a connection. She’s absolutely, immovably convinced on the point.

    Now I’ll admit its entirely possible that this is right – that the vaccine does increase the risk of the condition she has. There seem to be non-cranks that think the connection may be genuine and are doing the appropriate research. But her response has been to promote every badly written article/wingnut suggesting a possible problem with the vaccine, even when they’ve either clearly got their facts wrong (one article was reporting on research that demolished a scare campaign, and claimed the research supported it) or they’re espousing politics she would normally despise. We’re totally programmed to believe Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc and find it very hard to shake.

  19. tigtog

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