Comments on: The cultural politics and sociology of anti-science in Tony Abbott's Australia http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:11:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95800 joe2 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:56:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95800 Yer, I do that fun job as well, David. Be game and have a look on your electricity bill. You might find a reward there for patience expended. I bought a little device that measures individual shower water usage. A bit of an eye opener on that score, as well, for us and the teenager, in particular. Yer, I do that fun job as well, David.

Be game and have a look on your electricity bill. You might find a reward there for patience expended.

I bought a little device that measures individual shower water usage. A bit of an eye opener on that score, as well, for us and the teenager, in particular.

]]> By: David Irving (no relation) http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95799 David Irving (no relation) Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:25:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95799 I havwe no idea how much electricity I use (and I probably wouldn't own up if I did), but I share the house with a young person, which means life is a constant round of turning off lights and appliances in empty rooms ... I havwe no idea how much electricity I use (and I probably wouldn’t own up if I did), but I share the house with a young person, which means life is a constant round of turning off lights and appliances in empty rooms …

]]> By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95798 joe2 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:05:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95798 Cripes we come in 8.7 a day for a 3 bedroom house. And that was before the new low energy appliances recommended by the green loan audit. Cripes we come in 8.7 a day for a 3 bedroom house. And that was before the new low energy appliances recommended by the green loan audit.

]]> By: Elise http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95797 Elise Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:08:44 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95797 Fran @159, what is "parsimonious" about 3 reverse-cycle airconditioners, a "swampy" ducted evaporative cooler, and the usual appliances like microwave, large double fridge, deep freeze, towel heaters, electric oven, cappocino machine, clothes dryer, etc, etc? 12 kWh/day is perfectly feasible for a 4 br house, if you just do an 80/20 analysis of where your biggest consumption is, and make the necessary changes. This household doesn't go for the hairshirt concept, but 80/20 problem analysis can save heaps without suffering a 3rd world living standard. You'll never never know, if you never never try it... :) Fran @159, what is “parsimonious” about 3 reverse-cycle airconditioners, a “swampy” ducted evaporative cooler, and the usual appliances like microwave, large double fridge, deep freeze, towel heaters, electric oven, cappocino machine, clothes dryer, etc, etc?

12 kWh/day is perfectly feasible for a 4 br house, if you just do an 80/20 analysis of where your biggest consumption is, and make the necessary changes.

This household doesn’t go for the hairshirt concept, but 80/20 problem analysis can save heaps without suffering a 3rd world living standard. You’ll never never know, if you never never try it… :)

]]> By: Fran Barlow http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95796 Fran Barlow Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:47:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95796 Elise said: <blockquote>A modest family uses more like 12 kWh/day or less.</blockquote> Doubtless any household that used only 12 kWh per day would be more modest than one using 20kWh per day, but I read the claim as <i>typical</i> rather than <i>parsimonious</i>. Elise said:

A modest family uses more like 12 kWh/day or less.

Doubtless any household that used only 12 kWh per day would be more modest than one using 20kWh per day, but I read the claim as typical rather than parsimonious.

]]> By: Elise http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95795 Elise Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:49:17 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95795 Fran @125: "Fran #104 … Do you realise how many solar panels you need to meet the needs of a modest family? ...I do. They need solar panels capable of harvesting about 20Kwh per day..." Fran, 20 kWh/day is not a "MODEST" family, that is an extravagant family. A modest family uses more like 12 kWh/day or less. Fran @125: “Fran #104 … Do you realise how many solar panels you need to meet the needs of a modest family? …I do. They need solar panels capable of harvesting about 20Kwh per day…”

Fran, 20 kWh/day is not a “MODEST” family, that is an extravagant family.

A modest family uses more like 12 kWh/day or less.

]]> By: Patricia WA http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95794 Patricia WA Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:48:03 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95794 Exactly, Mercurius, @ 154. I was about to quote just that passage and to comment not only about its racism but the all pervading ignorance about China and its contribution to scientific knowledge. The oft used and convenient tag of "developing country" suggests an emerging culture which blinds most of us to the vast, complex and astonishing history of a people who were using paper and printing while Europe was in the Dark Ages. The pace at which the sleeping giant is emerging from its seeming torpor during colonial and less recent communist rule is astounding but not perhaps miraculous when seen against the backdrop of its millennia of cultured civilisation which contributed so much to our own so-called advanced science and technology in the west. Fears of Sino-imperalist ambition may or may not be well founded. Frankly from the little I know of Chinese history compared with that of the west I would think our hopes for the planet would be be better trusted to them. Exactly, Mercurius, @ 154. I was about to quote just that passage and to comment not only about its racism but the all pervading ignorance about China and its contribution to scientific knowledge. The oft used and convenient tag of “developing country” suggests an emerging culture which blinds most of us to the vast, complex and astonishing history of a people who were using paper and printing while Europe was in the Dark Ages.

The pace at which the sleeping giant is emerging from its seeming torpor during colonial and less recent communist rule is astounding but not perhaps miraculous when seen against the backdrop of its millennia of cultured civilisation which contributed so much to our own so-called advanced science and technology in the west.

Fears of Sino-imperalist ambition may or may not be well founded. Frankly from the little I know of Chinese history compared with that of the west I would think our hopes for the planet would be be better trusted to them.

]]> By: Geoff Robinson http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95793 Geoff Robinson Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:13:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95793 Creationism is the other example, Quadrant is full of rants against Darwin. Creationism is the other example, Quadrant is full of rants against Darwin.

]]> By: Zorronsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95792 Zorronsky Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:35:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95792 Mercurious @ 1 Change! The Earth has huge change in climate unless co2 is reduced in the atmosphere. Torys can't cope with this proposition. They go ostrich just as this fellow Iain Hall does. No amount of reasoned debate will pull his head out of the sand. His view of China tells us so. Mercurious @ 1 Change! The Earth has huge change in climate unless co2 is reduced in the atmosphere. Torys can’t cope with this proposition. They go ostrich just as this fellow Iain Hall does. No amount of reasoned debate will pull his head out of the sand. His view of China tells us so.

]]> By: Mercurius http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/04/the-cultural-politics-and-sociolocy-of-anti-science-in-tony-abbotts-australia/#comment-95790 Mercurius Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:00:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/?p=12576#comment-95790 Racist troll @ 152 (emph. added): <blockquote>I think that your view of the China’s is too coloured by an assumption that they believe the green mantra about climate change where as I would suggest that they are more concerned with making money <strong>and their long-standing cultural affinity to gambling</strong> suggests that they may very well be quite happy to take a punt on the AGW thing being,</blockquote> Trolling earns you ridicule. Racist trolling earns you permanent moderation. Bye-eeeee! Racist troll @ 152 (emph. added):

I think that your view of the China’s is too coloured by an assumption that they believe the green mantra about climate change where as I would suggest that they are more concerned with making money and their long-standing cultural affinity to gambling suggests that they may very well be quite happy to take a punt on the AGW thing being,

Trolling earns you ridicule.

Racist trolling earns you permanent moderation. Bye-eeeee!

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