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		<title>By: Spana</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/03/12/death-penalty-barred-by-federal-legislation/#comment-103523</link>
		<dc:creator>Spana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support moves to outlaw capital punishment but I await some consistency to be introduced and abortion to be outlawed to. A society that allows unborn babies to be killed because they are &quot;inconvenient&quot; but prohbits the execution for horrific crimes has lost the plot. Some more pro life consistency is needed - ban capital punishment, abortion, torture, the arms trade and maybe even war. All degrade life and are horrific crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support moves to outlaw capital punishment but I await some consistency to be introduced and abortion to be outlawed to. A society that allows unborn babies to be killed because they are &#8220;inconvenient&#8221; but prohbits the execution for horrific crimes has lost the plot. Some more pro life consistency is needed &#8211; ban capital punishment, abortion, torture, the arms trade and maybe even war. All degrade life and are horrific crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret that I am not latinate, so please forgive my grammatical lapses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret that I am not latinate, so please forgive my grammatical lapses.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/03/12/death-penalty-barred-by-federal-legislation/#comment-103521</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Those powers” is left intentionally vague because it is an open (and endless, and contentious) matter of debate amongst liberals, libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, inter alia, as to what the acceptable list of of “those powers” is.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Regrettably, you don&#039;t get to be that vague and algebraic when we have a specific context to speak in. To borrow from the language of programming, this is a variable for which you must specify a range of values or have them defined for you by existing arguments.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You have also pointed out the problem of &lt;i&gt;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes&lt;/i&gt;. Fewer people to watch means less watchers ... &lt;i&gt;(oh dear, both people and watchers are countable nouns -- inconsistent syntax following a Latin phrase ... tsk tsk)&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

On the substantive point, this is so, but one should not make a fetish of it. As I noted, those attenuated human bonds require that we all keep an eye out or appoint people qualified and willing to do so when we can not. We now know that one person&#039;s malfeasance can easily cast harm over a wider area than is immediately obvious and so we must be very careful to specify those acts which should be restrained, benchmarked, guided and utterly required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Those powers” is left intentionally vague because it is an open (and endless, and contentious) matter of debate amongst liberals, libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, inter alia, as to what the acceptable list of of “those powers” is.</p>
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<p>Regrettably, you don&#8217;t get to be that vague and algebraic when we have a specific context to speak in. To borrow from the language of programming, this is a variable for which you must specify a range of values or have them defined for you by existing arguments.</p>
<blockquote><p>You have also pointed out the problem of <i>Quis custodiet ipsos custodes</i>. Fewer people to watch means less watchers &#8230; <i>(oh dear, both people and watchers are countable nouns &#8212; inconsistent syntax following a Latin phrase &#8230; tsk tsk)</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>On the substantive point, this is so, but one should not make a fetish of it. As I noted, those attenuated human bonds require that we all keep an eye out or appoint people qualified and willing to do so when we can not. We now know that one person&#8217;s malfeasance can easily cast harm over a wider area than is immediately obvious and so we must be very careful to specify those acts which should be restrained, benchmarked, guided and utterly required.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/03/12/death-penalty-barred-by-federal-legislation/#comment-103520</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, incorrectly closed em tag.</description>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/03/12/death-penalty-barred-by-federal-legislation/#comment-103519</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those powers&quot; is left intentionally vague because it is an open (and endless, and contentious) matter of debate amongst liberals, libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, &lt;em&gt;inter alia&lt;em&gt;, as to what the acceptable list of of &quot;those powers&quot; is.

But all agree on the principle that if you grant a power to government, it will be eventually abused. So best to grant as few powers as possible and be constantly vigilant for what &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; granted.

You have also pointed out the problem of &lt;em&gt;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes&lt;/em&gt;. I don&#039;t think there is a complete solution for this problem, so it becomes a matter of risk management. Fewer people to watch means less watchers, so let&#039;s have less government with less power. Slightly different chain of reasoning, same conclusion.

Does that clear up my original sentence for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those powers&#8221; is left intentionally vague because it is an open (and endless, and contentious) matter of debate amongst liberals, libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, <em>inter alia</em><em>, as to what the acceptable list of of &#8220;those powers&#8221; is.</p>
<p>But all agree on the principle that if you grant a power to government, it will be eventually abused. So best to grant as few powers as possible and be constantly vigilant for what </em><em>is</em> granted.</p>
<p>You have also pointed out the problem of <em>Quis custodiet ipsos custodes</em>. I don&#8217;t think there is a complete solution for this problem, so it becomes a matter of risk management. Fewer people to watch means less watchers, so let&#8217;s have less government with less power. Slightly different chain of reasoning, same conclusion.</p>
<p>Does that clear up my original sentence for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew R

Why &quot;doubt&quot; it? This is a text based medium. He said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The actual solution is never to grant those powers to any government, anywhere, for any reason, in the first place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I grant you that &quot;those powers&quot; is imprecisely specified. In context though &quot;those powers&quot; could refer to &quot;the powers exercised by state governments&quot;. State governments in this country are for the most part, where the rubber hits the road. &quot;[T]hose powers&quot; include OH&amp;S which were so brutally ignored over the insulation kerfuffel. Hmmm

&lt;blockquote&gt;Make sure that power is dispersed as far as possible and where it exists it is heavily handcuffed and has strong oversight.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Handcuffed&quot; and oversighted by non-existent entities rendered non-existent for fear of nongs being in charge ...

&lt;blockquote&gt;the power to tax incomes is handed (or at least spread) to both the state and local governments to reduce or eliminate the revenue disparity between the levels of government.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you want more complexity and red tape? You&#039;d like rival tax regimes over the borders rather than less government overall? Good grief. Strange days indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew R</p>
<p>Why &#8220;doubt&#8221; it? This is a text based medium. He said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The actual solution is never to grant those powers to any government, anywhere, for any reason, in the first place.</p></blockquote>
<p>I grant you that &#8220;those powers&#8221; is imprecisely specified. In context though &#8220;those powers&#8221; could refer to &#8220;the powers exercised by state governments&#8221;. State governments in this country are for the most part, where the rubber hits the road. &#8220;[T]hose powers&#8221; include OH&amp;S which were so brutally ignored over the insulation kerfuffel. Hmmm</p>
<blockquote><p>Make sure that power is dispersed as far as possible and where it exists it is heavily handcuffed and has strong oversight.
</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Handcuffed&#8221; and oversighted by non-existent entities rendered non-existent for fear of nongs being in charge &#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>the power to tax incomes is handed (or at least spread) to both the state and local governments to reduce or eliminate the revenue disparity between the levels of government.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So you want more complexity and red tape? You&#8217;d like rival tax regimes over the borders rather than less government overall? Good grief. Strange days indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ijaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ijaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The actual solution is never to grant those powers to any government, anywhere, for any reason, in the first place. Then it doesn’t matter how or where it was going to be applied.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

is what Jacques &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The actual solution is never to grant those powers to any government, anywhere, for any reason, in the first place. Then it doesn’t matter how or where it was going to be applied.</p></blockquote>
<p>is what Jacques <em>actually</em> said.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fran,
I very much doubt that Jacques has said there need be no State. As hhe said above - he is not an anarcho-capitalist. What he said was simple - if you do not want a State to exercise a power then you do not grant the State that power. To that extent I do not think that hew (and certainly I) would disagree with your last sentence &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The lesser evil still is for an informed citizenry to keep nongs to a minimum and away from serious power.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To me, serious power by its very nature attracts &quot;nongs&quot; (as our current leaders and their possible replacements may demonstrate well). The solution to me then becomes simple - do not have any concentrations of serious power at all. Make sure that power is dispersed as far as possible and where it exists it is heavily handcuffed and has strong oversight.
In your specific thoughts on our government structure I do not see that a strong central government combined with incredibly weak local government will achieve this. What I would prefer on the particular topic raised by Jacques (or others) is simple - the power to tax incomes is handed (or at least spread) to both the state and local governments to reduce or eliminate the revenue disparity between the levels of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran,<br />
I very much doubt that Jacques has said there need be no State. As hhe said above &#8211; he is not an anarcho-capitalist. What he said was simple &#8211; if you do not want a State to exercise a power then you do not grant the State that power. To that extent I do not think that hew (and certainly I) would disagree with your last sentence<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;The lesser evil still is for an informed citizenry to keep nongs to a minimum and away from serious power.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>To me, serious power by its very nature attracts &#8220;nongs&#8221; (as our current leaders and their possible replacements may demonstrate well). The solution to me then becomes simple &#8211; do not have any concentrations of serious power at all. Make sure that power is dispersed as far as possible and where it exists it is heavily handcuffed and has strong oversight.<br />
In your specific thoughts on our government structure I do not see that a strong central government combined with incredibly weak local government will achieve this. What I would prefer on the particular topic raised by Jacques (or others) is simple &#8211; the power to tax incomes is handed (or at least spread) to both the state and local governments to reduce or eliminate the revenue disparity between the levels of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Barlow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/03/12/death-penalty-barred-by-federal-legislation/#comment-103515</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also not clear on what &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; meant by &quot;stereotyping&quot;. He was the one who implied there could be no state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also not clear on what <i>he</i> meant by &#8220;stereotyping&#8221;. He was the one who implied there could be no state.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques, all you have done is attack Fran&#039;s style of presenting her message, you haven&#039;t addressed her argument at all. I agree it was a bit patronising, but to my mind compelling.</description>
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