And take instruction from the crowd.
NB: for non-Australian readers blissfully unaware of the crowd ritual for this song? Probably best not to play this video at work.
Context links: Bligh (channelling Joh), Fielding (channelling Cory Bernardi’s 2008 attempt on the Agincourt Awards).
Never thought I’d agree with Barnyard – “Barnaby Joyce was angered by Senator Fielding’s comments, accusing him of a “base form of politics” – good on him!
Never thought I’d agree with Barnyard – “Barnaby Joyce was angered by Senator Fielding’s comments, accusing him of a “base form of politics” – good on him!
What CAN you be speaking of, Tig Tog?!?
I suspect you are inferring that it’s time that certain disreputable political figures take their leave, if not of politics then the dishonesty that goes with it.
What CAN you be speaking of, Tig Tog?!?
I suspect you are inferring that it’s time that certain disreputable political figures take their leave, if not of politics then the dishonesty that goes with it.
I prefer, “….political chess manoeuvring by the most minor pawn…”. The rest of the sentence is virtually incomprehensible, but that part is gold.
I prefer, “….political chess manoeuvring by the most minor pawn…”. The rest of the sentence is virtually incomprehensible, but that part is gold.
Remind me again who thought that preferencing this offensive git was a good idea?
Remind me again who thought that preferencing this offensive git was a good idea?
I heard Barnaby’s rant. Putting aside politics, I felt like digging up some ancient offence — perhaps unnatural collocatory acts with clauses. If his phrases were people at a speed dating session they’d be begging early for the bell.
I heard Barnaby’s rant. Putting aside politics, I felt like digging up some ancient offence — perhaps unnatural collocatory acts with clauses. If his phrases were people at a speed dating session they’d be begging early for the bell.
Rob,
not that I’m likely to vote Labor in a hurry, but the Fielding preference has done me in for life. ANGELS MOMENT!!
The continuing election-based chicanery of both major parties makes them unsupportable (and they keep appointing f***wits to run their campaign strategies).
And Labor’s anti-Green tactics have given us Fielding (and the make-up of the Senate) and has also meant they will not negotiate climate policy with the Greens.
See where we are on climate at the moment. While the ALP has been busy trying to wedge the liberals, their deep abiding antipathy for anyone who purports to be more environmental than they (’cause like they own it, don’t they – and communitarian politics), has seen Labor wedge themselves and the future.
(This isn’t an endorsement for the Greens necessarily, it’s a condemnation of the status quo)
So thanks tt, when you need to vent, Doc Neeson is the icing on the cake.
Yes Robert it seems like Labor has problems conducting their “broad church” and IMO these mistakes need to be faced, acknowledged and put behind them. The parallels with the rustically named Senators from the Whitlam Gov. [Field} and now Fielding once again shows that truth conquers fiction for unbelievable narrative.
But none of that point scoring on either side of the divide diminishes the spectre of a very dark cloud indeed looming ahead for those who do not want to see the maniacs re-takeover the asylum.
Yes Robert it seems like Labor has problems conducting their “broad church” and IMO these mistakes need to be faced, acknowledged and put behind them. The parallels with the rustically named Senators from the Whitlam Gov. [Field} and now Fielding once again shows that truth conquers fiction for unbelievable narrative.
But none of that point scoring on either side of the divide diminishes the spectre of a very dark cloud indeed looming ahead for those who do not want to see the maniacs re-takeover the asylum.
Senator Steve took a desperate stand
a cardboard bible in his withered hand
His diseased imagination found an evil femmo ruse
He saw himself again on the 6 o’clock news
They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown
told him his feet stank and took him downtown
called him an arsehat, a nong and a douche
shut in a cupboard now with Lyndon LaRouche
take a long line, throw him back…
He tried to appeal to the king of Spin
he said “I’m just exposin’ that original woman Sin”
the king he said “You ain’t got no brain
you’re a idiot, a dickhead, get back in the bin”
take along line, throw him back…
Senator Steve took a desperate stand
a cardboard bible in his withered hand
His diseased imagination found an evil femmo ruse
He saw himself again on the 6 o’clock news
They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown
told him his feet stank and took him downtown
called him an arsehat, a nong and a douche
shut in a cupboard now with Lyndon LaRouche
take a long line, throw him back…
He tried to appeal to the king of Spin
he said “I’m just exposin’ that original woman Sin”
the king he said “You ain’t got no brain
you’re a idiot, a dickhead, get back in the bin”
take along line, throw him back…
The Earthworm wriggles again. Has that cretinous Fielding have no idea that paid parental leave has been extended to workers who have a stillbirth in their family so they have much needed time to grieve over what must be one of the worst things that can happen to a parent. Isn’t this man suppopsed to show the Xtan virtue of compassion, given he’s the spokesperson for an allegedly Xtan political party?
As for the argument that non-working mothers don’t get parental leave – the subtext of that is that the proper place for a woman is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Presumably he also believes a husaband has the right to beat his wife, so long as the stick he uses is no thicker than a man’s thumb.
The Libs aren’t exactly heroes here. On ABC TV Breakfast this morning there was this disgraceful exhibition of a woman senator squirming her way out of condemning the Earthworm’s remarks.
As for the ALP – well they put him there, so they’re just as to blame for his moronic ultra-right Xtan propaganda emanating from the Senate, as well as the rest of his ultra right wing garbage.
The Earthworm wriggles again. Has that cretinous Fielding have no idea that paid parental leave has been extended to workers who have a stillbirth in their family so they have much needed time to grieve over what must be one of the worst things that can happen to a parent. Isn’t this man suppopsed to show the Xtan virtue of compassion, given he’s the spokesperson for an allegedly Xtan political party?
As for the argument that non-working mothers don’t get parental leave – the subtext of that is that the proper place for a woman is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Presumably he also believes a husaband has the right to beat his wife, so long as the stick he uses is no thicker than a man’s thumb.
The Libs aren’t exactly heroes here. On ABC TV Breakfast this morning there was this disgraceful exhibition of a woman senator squirming her way out of condemning the Earthworm’s remarks.
As for the ALP – well they put him there, so they’re just as to blame for his moronic ultra-right Xtan propaganda emanating from the Senate, as well as the rest of his ultra right wing garbage.
Perhaps Bligh and Fielding can take Mal Brown along to make a threesome.
Perhaps Bligh and Fielding can take Mal Brown along to make a threesome.
And apart from that PB, Fielding seems to have overlooked the fact that “welfare cheats” aren’t entitled to any kind of leave precisely because they are on …welfare.
Sidenote: us earthworms play a very valuable role in maintaining the qulaity of soils. They are responsible for the reconsition of waste into bio-available nutrient on a huge scale. Doubtless, if we composted Senator Fielding, he could be turned into something more useful than he is now. Please refrain from insulting earthworms in this way.
And apart from that PB, Fielding seems to have overlooked the fact that “welfare cheats” aren’t entitled to any kind of leave precisely because they are on …welfare.
Sidenote: us earthworms play a very valuable role in maintaining the qulaity of soils. They are responsible for the reconsition of waste into bio-available nutrient on a huge scale. Doubtless, if we composted Senator Fielding, he could be turned into something more useful than he is now. Please refrain from insulting earthworms in this way.
Fielding is getting even more unbelievable. There was speculation that he’s doing anything to get a bit of publicity in the hope that there will votes out there to get re-elected. Don’t like his chances though
Well the problem with not giving non-paid working mothers parental leave is that it essentially values work they do in the home at $0.
Fielding is getting even more unbelievable. There was speculation that he’s doing anything to get a bit of publicity in the hope that there will votes out there to get re-elected. Don’t like his chances though
Well the problem with not giving non-paid working mothers parental leave is that it essentially values work they do in the home at $0.
Chris #11 wrote:
I addressed this issue in 2004.
Chris #11 wrote:
I addressed this issue in 2004.
Paul @ 12 – an excerpt from your link:
Is that still true? I thought all employees (non contractors/casuals at least) had a right to unpaid parental leave of 12 months with a right to return to work. Whether its enforced well in practice is a different matter, but adding the “paid” component is unlikely to change that.
Paul @ 12 – an excerpt from your link:
Is that still true? I thought all employees (non contractors/casuals at least) had a right to unpaid parental leave of 12 months with a right to return to work. Whether its enforced well in practice is a different matter, but adding the “paid” component is unlikely to change that.
Chris @ 11,
Utterly agree with you. But somehow I don’t think that thought even crossed what passes for the Earthworm’s mind.
Chris @ 11,
Utterly agree with you. But somehow I don’t think that thought even crossed what passes for the Earthworm’s mind.
Chris #13, I think you’re right about the current situation re unpaid maternity leave. That said, adding income replacement (whether partial as currently proposed by the Government or full as many organisations call for) to employment protection makes a big difference to the choices women will be able to make.
Chris #13, I think you’re right about the current situation re unpaid maternity leave. That said, adding income replacement (whether partial as currently proposed by the Government or full as many organisations call for) to employment protection makes a big difference to the choices women will be able to make.
On the question of women who are not in paid employment getting some analog of the leave benefit, it has long seemed to me that some sort of “home carer assistance” package might be the best vehicle for this. The capacity to have respite from the newborn and some of the domestic and to go out and accept casual work if that suits you and is available would be good. If the person is an adequately trained nurse with awareness of other support services for new mothers that could be very useful indeed.
On the question of women who are not in paid employment getting some analog of the leave benefit, it has long seemed to me that some sort of “home carer assistance” package might be the best vehicle for this. The capacity to have respite from the newborn and some of the domestic and to go out and accept casual work if that suits you and is available would be good. If the person is an adequately trained nurse with awareness of other support services for new mothers that could be very useful indeed.
Paul @ 15 – yes it allows women to stay out of the workforce for longer to look after their newborn – which is almost certainly a good thing. But I don’t see how its related to workforce attachment.
Fran @ 16 – the equivalent for non working mothers is the baby bonus, but I’m guessing the intent of the government is to allow inflation to just eat away at that. I like your idea of some equivalent of carer assistance and is what is done in some european countries. Even just some ocassional help with cooking/cleaning which is what women with paid maternity leave can afford to pay people to do.
Paul @ 15 – yes it allows women to stay out of the workforce for longer to look after their newborn – which is almost certainly a good thing. But I don’t see how its related to workforce attachment.
Fran @ 16 – the equivalent for non working mothers is the baby bonus, but I’m guessing the intent of the government is to allow inflation to just eat away at that. I like your idea of some equivalent of carer assistance and is what is done in some european countries. Even just some ocassional help with cooking/cleaning which is what women with paid maternity leave can afford to pay people to do.
One way to help non-working mothers would be to extend the parental leave to automatically to include fathers/partners so they can afford to take time off to assist the mother.
One way to help non-working mothers would be to extend the parental leave to automatically to include fathers/partners so they can afford to take time off to assist the mother.
Good post tigtog. Steve Fielding is absolutely loopy. Lowest of the low stuff on his part. Surely Australians are waking up to the extreme right-wingedness of this man.
His climate change sceptic approach has been embarrassing for the country…as have some of his antics.
But this analysis of the paid parental scheme bill by Fielding is really DESPERATE & kooky stuff.
He won’t be missed by this family.
N’
Good post tigtog. Steve Fielding is absolutely loopy. Lowest of the low stuff on his part. Surely Australians are waking up to the extreme right-wingedness of this man.
His climate change sceptic approach has been embarrassing for the country…as have some of his antics.
But this analysis of the paid parental scheme bill by Fielding is really DESPERATE & kooky stuff.
He won’t be missed by this family.
N’
desipis @ 19 – yes that’d be great. Allow for parental leave to be taken by both parents in parallel, just “consumed” twice as fast.
desipis @ 19 – yes that’d be great. Allow for parental leave to be taken by both parents in parallel, just “consumed” twice as fast.
Outraged Earthworm @ 11,
Sorry. I missed you and due to me stuffing around with me computer settings I lost me find toolbar so I have to scroll up and down to find things. Dawkins, said something along the lines that Fielding had the brain of an earthworm. Regrettable if earthworms are offended.
Now re Fielding’s lambasting of people on welfare. Its the fashion. Aged pensioners in the NT are going to have their pension payments quarantined from July the 1st and most of them haven’t woke up to it yet. If this “pilot program” works, they’ll put it on the rest of us. Just sayin’.
As for Fielding himself, he’s a very peculiar kind of Xtan. Almost all the Xtans I know (except some ratbags from the Festival of Light) actually believe that they are obliged by their beliefsa to look after the welfare of the poor, visit the sick and imprisoned etc. (Okay, I only hang around with leftish Xtans.) Still, Fielding’s exceedingly large quota of no charity or compassion at all only proves he has even less emotional identifacation with the human race than an … well, an earthworm. (And my Xtan friends tell me it is alarmingly un-Xtan, but, then again they are not of the GWB variety.)
Outraged Earthworm @ 11,
Sorry. I missed you and due to me stuffing around with me computer settings I lost me find toolbar so I have to scroll up and down to find things. Dawkins, said something along the lines that Fielding had the brain of an earthworm. Regrettable if earthworms are offended.
Now re Fielding’s lambasting of people on welfare. Its the fashion. Aged pensioners in the NT are going to have their pension payments quarantined from July the 1st and most of them haven’t woke up to it yet. If this “pilot program” works, they’ll put it on the rest of us. Just sayin’.
As for Fielding himself, he’s a very peculiar kind of Xtan. Almost all the Xtans I know (except some ratbags from the Festival of Light) actually believe that they are obliged by their beliefsa to look after the welfare of the poor, visit the sick and imprisoned etc. (Okay, I only hang around with leftish Xtans.) Still, Fielding’s exceedingly large quota of no charity or compassion at all only proves he has even less emotional identifacation with the human race than an … well, an earthworm. (And my Xtan friends tell me it is alarmingly un-Xtan, but, then again they are not of the GWB variety.)
Jenny Macklin has apparently indicated disabled pensioners and aged pensioners in the NT will not be welfare quarantined. So only Aborigines, single mothers and the unemployed are going to be discriminated against. I don’t know if any Labor Apparatchniks read LP, but you can take this message back to your bosses, Even though this legislation does not, and apparently will not ever affect me personally, its made up my mind how I’m going to vote at the Federal election. After Family First, the Christian Democrats, and the Coalition parties, the ALP will be at the bottom of both my ballot papers.
Jenny Macklin has apparently indicated disabled pensioners and aged pensioners in the NT will not be welfare quarantined. So only Aborigines, single mothers and the unemployed are going to be discriminated against. I don’t know if any Labor Apparatchniks read LP, but you can take this message back to your bosses, Even though this legislation does not, and apparently will not ever affect me personally, its made up my mind how I’m going to vote at the Federal election. After Family First, the Christian Democrats, and the Coalition parties, the ALP will be at the bottom of both my ballot papers.
Paul @ 23 – in a preferential voting system would the ALP really care? I would guess not unless you happen to be in a seat where the Greens could possibly get in.
Paul @ 23 – in a preferential voting system would the ALP really care? I would guess not unless you happen to be in a seat where the Greens could possibly get in.
Well Spain have returned to el familiar fatalismo Español as I read it described, the media’s agin everything adrian and joe2 believe in, God’s in his heaven and all’s right with the world. It’s time for youtube thread dumping. (That one’s for TT and Shaun C, but FDB better step up.)
Now can we please have back the facility to pseudonym without sinbinning?
Well Spain have returned to el familiar fatalismo Español as I read it described, the media’s agin everything adrian and joe2 believe in, God’s in his heaven and all’s right with the world. It’s time for youtube thread dumping. (That one’s for TT and Shaun C, but FDB better step up.)
Now can we please have back the facility to pseudonym without sinbinning?
Not unless you know of a WordPress whitelist plugin for the comment name field, Liam. The partisan cut&paste-bots gave up once we enabled automod on all new commentors (which is the setting that sequesters morphed monikers), and there’s no option I know of to have the name field exempt but still check email and IP.
Not unless you know of a WordPress whitelist plugin for the comment name field, Liam. The partisan cut&paste-bots gave up once we enabled automod on all new commentors (which is the setting that sequesters morphed monikers), and there’s no option I know of to have the name field exempt but still check email and IP.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Fielding in the middle of next year. Before going into the Senate he was a low-to-middle ranking salesnong with Telstra.
He’ll go into some church position in PR, but when he gets ignored for having no credibility they’ll move him on. They’ll give him a backroom managerial role, but he’s never run anything so he’ll stuff that up too. He’ll be on the lookout for a role befitting an ex-Senator, and note that some ex-Senators do quite well; but I doubt he’ll find much out there for him. Better learn to play golf, Stephen; not many madonnas or whores out on the golf links.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Fielding in the middle of next year. Before going into the Senate he was a low-to-middle ranking salesnong with Telstra.
He’ll go into some church position in PR, but when he gets ignored for having no credibility they’ll move him on. They’ll give him a backroom managerial role, but he’s never run anything so he’ll stuff that up too. He’ll be on the lookout for a role befitting an ex-Senator, and note that some ex-Senators do quite well; but I doubt he’ll find much out there for him. Better learn to play golf, Stephen; not many madonnas or whores out on the golf links.
Do you reckon Telstra would have him back, Andrew? He couldn’t possibly be worse than the support people I had do deal with today to not get something fixed. (The next person to tell me to have a nice day will die slowly, and in pain … )
Do you reckon Telstra would have him back, Andrew? He couldn’t possibly be worse than the support people I had do deal with today to not get something fixed. (The next person to tell me to have a nice day will die slowly, and in pain … )
Andrew E @27: Ex-Telstra? That explains heaps.
And I’m sure I read somewhere that the ALP nong responsible for the preference deal which gave us Fielding is in fact our old friend Senator Stephen Conroy.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Andrew E @27: Ex-Telstra? That explains heaps.
And I’m sure I read somewhere that the ALP nong responsible for the preference deal which gave us Fielding is in fact our old friend Senator Stephen Conroy.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Oh, and DI(nr) @ 28 you may like this
Oh, and DI(nr) @ 28 you may like this
Paul Burns @ 23,
You might find the transcript of this pathetic government’s “welfare reforms” from a Rudd/Macklin joint press conference on Wednesday interesting:
That was The
RodentRuddster and this from Jenny Macklin:http://www.pm.gov.au/node/6826
Paul Burns @ 23,
You might find the transcript of this pathetic government’s “welfare reforms” from a Rudd/Macklin joint press conference on Wednesday interesting:
That was The
RodentRuddster and this from Jenny Macklin:http://www.pm.gov.au/node/6826
Thanks, J de M.
The decision is very hard for me, because I always give my preferences to the ALP, and, as in the past election, put them before any Socialist Party who preferences the Liberals (as SEP did last Feferal election. I’m breaking a lifelong habit.
I’ve hung around the lumpenproletariat for a long long time, and in my experience the vast majority of them, white and black, do put their children first, to the point of sometimes starving themselves to feed the kids. The solution is not quarantining but increased welfare patments. The fact that theire are a whole lot of people out there neglecting the piss and blowing all their money on beer and pokies is a political fiction dreamed up by the Liberal Party which Labor has bought.
Sure, there is a minority who don’t do the right thing, so concentrate on them rather than engaging in collective punishment.
Thanks, J de M.
The decision is very hard for me, because I always give my preferences to the ALP, and, as in the past election, put them before any Socialist Party who preferences the Liberals (as SEP did last Feferal election. I’m breaking a lifelong habit.
I’ve hung around the lumpenproletariat for a long long time, and in my experience the vast majority of them, white and black, do put their children first, to the point of sometimes starving themselves to feed the kids. The solution is not quarantining but increased welfare patments. The fact that theire are a whole lot of people out there neglecting the piss and blowing all their money on beer and pokies is a political fiction dreamed up by the Liberal Party which Labor has bought.
Sure, there is a minority who don’t do the right thing, so concentrate on them rather than engaging in collective punishment.
Close to the bone, zoot. Thanks.
Close to the bone, zoot. Thanks.
Fran / Chris et al,
Parents with a stay-at-home parent do receive Family Tax Benefit B, which is $133 per fortnight. If parents wanted, they could use that money for in-home assistance or respite care (eg. babysitting). This is in addition to the baby bonus ($5000 over 6 months) and Family Tax Benefit A, which apply to all but the highest income earning families.
It may be where I live, but as a new parent with no relatives in the same city I have to say the combination of federal, state and local government support services is actually very good. You do have to be willing to admit you’re not coping, but once you do, there is a lot of free specialist support ready to come to you to help out. Unfortunately we have found a lot of our new parent friends feel the need to pretend they are coping when they’re not, which is a cultural problem, especially but not exclusively for us anglos.
Fran / Chris et al,
Parents with a stay-at-home parent do receive Family Tax Benefit B, which is $133 per fortnight. If parents wanted, they could use that money for in-home assistance or respite care (eg. babysitting). This is in addition to the baby bonus ($5000 over 6 months) and Family Tax Benefit A, which apply to all but the highest income earning families.
It may be where I live, but as a new parent with no relatives in the same city I have to say the combination of federal, state and local government support services is actually very good. You do have to be willing to admit you’re not coping, but once you do, there is a lot of free specialist support ready to come to you to help out. Unfortunately we have found a lot of our new parent friends feel the need to pretend they are coping when they’re not, which is a cultural problem, especially but not exclusively for us anglos.
Oh, and fantastic post theme tigtog. Amazing that Fielding found a way to hit a new low – most of us that that would not be possible.
Oh, and fantastic post theme tigtog. Amazing that Fielding found a way to hit a new low – most of us that that would not be possible.