Currency has noticed as well. There’s something a bit odd about angst over the death of Protestant England, from normally sensible commentators in the wake of the postponement of the ill-starred Royal Wedding in favour of the Papal funeral. Atavistic nationalism and ancient ethnic hatred, perhaps?
Interesting too is the reaction of Sydney’s Anglican Archbishop Jensen who seems rather perplexed, if not disturbed:
The decision to postpone the wedding of the Prince of Wales to make way for the funeral of Pope John Paul II is a “strange turn of events” that chimes the demise of a sole Protestant identity in England, says the Archbishop of Sydney, Dr Peter Jensen..
Dr Jensen said it was inevitable but ironic, given the clash of dates, that the funeral of the leader of the Roman Catholic faith should delay the royal nuptials.
And while declining to specify names, he said the next generation of royals to follow the Queen reflected “the new age of permissiveness and relational breakdown”.
“The Queen has been an outstanding example of Christian piety of a Protestant variety,” Dr Jensen said. “But the generation that has followed her have reflected the new age of permissiveness and relational breakdown, so, in a sense, they are victims of the decline of Christian belief.”
Dr Jensen declined to comment directly on the impending marriage of the heir to the throne to Camilla Parker Bowles except to say: “I wish them well.”
Incidentally, I read Chris McGillion’s book on the triumph of Jensenism the other night. Well worth reading for anyone wanting an insight into Sydney Anglicanism.
Elsewhere: Muriel Porter has more in The Age.
“perplexed, if not disturbed”
Er, I think you might be projecting. How about saying he was “interested”?
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“perplexed, if not disturbed”
Er, I think you might be projecting. How about saying he was “interested”?
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I think it’s more an expression of a passing of an era. It wouldn’t have happened even 50 years ago. But improved communications, public relations, sensitivity, and a highly low-key and ho-hum wedding means it was the only logical answer. But I doubt they’ll postpone William’s wedding when grandma picks out a bride for him.
I think it’s more an expression of a passing of an era. It wouldn’t have happened even 50 years ago. But improved communications, public relations, sensitivity, and a highly low-key and ho-hum wedding means it was the only logical answer. But I doubt they’ll postpone William’s wedding when grandma picks out a bride for him.
no it isn’t Mark.
There is a much better book from some time ago which I think is called Sydney Anglicans. if Memeory serves me a person called Judd is one of the co-authors.
Chris really doesn’t understand the theogical divide
no it isn’t Mark.
There is a much better book from some time ago which I think is called Sydney Anglicans. if Memeory serves me a person called Judd is one of the co-authors.
Chris really doesn’t understand the theogical divide
Adam, the reference to the “demise of a sole Protestant identity for England” sounds like something that he bemoans – it’s a very big claim that the attendance of a Royal and the Archbishop of Canterbury at the Pope’s funeral is tantamount to that. It probably happened quite some time ago.
Homer, if you can find a reference, I’d be grateful. McGillion wasn’t strong about the theology, but I felt that he described the political manoeuvrings in the diocese well, and also the implications of Jensen’s election. He interviewed most of the key players.
Adam, the reference to the “demise of a sole Protestant identity for England” sounds like something that he bemoans – it’s a very big claim that the attendance of a Royal and the Archbishop of Canterbury at the Pope’s funeral is tantamount to that. It probably happened quite some time ago.
Homer, if you can find a reference, I’d be grateful. McGillion wasn’t strong about the theology, but I felt that he described the political manoeuvrings in the diocese well, and also the implications of Jensen’s election. He interviewed most of the key players.
Sydney Anglicans Ken Cable & Stephen Judd.
Sydney Anglicans Ken Cable & Stephen Judd.
The best Anglican church in Sydney although probably only mentioned in discrete whispers at Jensen Bros Inc.
The best Anglican church in Sydney although probably only mentioned in discrete whispers at Jensen Bros Inc.
Again, I don’t think he’s bemoaning, I think he’s just reflecting
Also, he’s not saying that attendance at the funeral is tantamount to the demise of Protestant England, but a marker of the demise. The difference is subtle, yet significant.
BTW, you may be interested in the original speech: http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/images/uploads/sydneystories/The_Protestant_Conscience.pdf
That reference: Sydney Anglicans: A history of the Diocese by Stephen Judd
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Again, I don’t think he’s bemoaning, I think he’s just reflecting
Also, he’s not saying that attendance at the funeral is tantamount to the demise of Protestant England, but a marker of the demise. The difference is subtle, yet significant.
BTW, you may be interested in the original speech: http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/images/uploads/sydneystories/The_Protestant_Conscience.pdf
That reference: Sydney Anglicans: A history of the Diocese by Stephen Judd
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Thanks, Ron and Adam. Have you guys read the book?
You may be right, Adam, about the implications of Jensen’s comment but I note that Muriel Porter (in the article I’ve linked to in the post) read him the same way I did.
Thanks, Ron and Adam. Have you guys read the book?
You may be right, Adam, about the implications of Jensen’s comment but I note that Muriel Porter (in the article I’ve linked to in the post) read him the same way I did.
Muriel Porter attacked Peter Jensen? Well I’ll be….
Muriel Porter attacked Peter Jensen? Well I’ll be….
Back in the day, when I was going to a high Anglican Church in Sydney, a good friend of mine who is RC used to come along sometimes and was much amused at “We pray for Our Sovereign Lady, Queen Liz” stuff in the prayer book, and the “lord save us from the papist heresies” bit too, although we never said that one.
Tooling round the sydneyanglicans site reminds me again why I got out.
golly gee Muriel Porter attacking Sydney Anglicans now that is a revelation.
She is merely a modernday Marcionite
Ah Muriel. Faithful and predictable.
I found Jensen’s comments a bit silly as reported in the press; I will have to read the context in the link given above. But what is lost in all this discussion (and ) is
a. Charles and Camilla’s is a civil ceremony and
b. the Queen does not do funerals.
c. Popes can’t designate the dates of their deaths
Rejoice that our G-G is representing us, as he should.
well, even as a severely lapsed Mick (last time I was in Church they wet my head and called me Michael Patrick) I can still enjoy the sweet irony of Protestant England delaying the future King’s wedding; the British PM winging his way to Rome; Protestant America lining up it last three Prezzos on their knees … hohoho… it must be causing apoplexy (hopefully fatal) in Unionist circles in Ulster.