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  1. Evil Pundit

    Given the almost uniform far-left orientation of academics in the humanities, and their willingness to use their research as a tool of political propaganda, they are increasingly regarded not as experts but as mere partisan commentators.

    Crotty recites a litany of left-wing talking points which have in many cases been debunked. Yet he treats these dubious assumptions as fact. In doing so, he provides further support for the position that academic elites should not be taken seriously when commenting on political questions.

    If more academics gave truth a higher priority than political advantage, they would earn more respect. As it is, they are only as believable as any other bunch of politicians.

  2. Evil Pundit

    Given the almost uniform far-left orientation of academics in the humanities, and their willingness to use their research as a tool of political propaganda, they are increasingly regarded not as experts but as mere partisan commentators.

    Crotty recites a litany of left-wing talking points which have in many cases been debunked. Yet he treats these dubious assumptions as fact. In doing so, he provides further support for the position that academic elites should not be taken seriously when commenting on political questions.

    If more academics gave truth a higher priority than political advantage, they would earn more respect. As it is, they are only as believable as any other bunch of politicians.

  3. jj

    What academic historians need to do is get out there in the public domain and convince the public, persuade, expound, educate.

    I agree, but at the same time, academics are already regarded in the community as disconnected from reality in their posturing about their areas of expertise. Given the sad lack of training academics receive in communication skills and public speaking, I suspect that many academics appear rather absurd and irrelevant to the general populace when they present themselves in public fora. In academic contexts such behaviour is partly ‘forgiven’ as an eccentricity of the sphere, but sending academics out in to the community to do more public debate may actually further wound their reputation.

    I know I am often embarrassed by my colleagues when they are released like so many mutant laboratory rodents on to a public stage. Unless academics and other experts are properly trained in diplomacy, education, and the production of mass culture works, their skills in debate and analysis are just not going to convince the masses.

  4. jj

    What academic historians need to do is get out there in the public domain and convince the public, persuade, expound, educate.

    I agree, but at the same time, academics are already regarded in the community as disconnected from reality in their posturing about their areas of expertise. Given the sad lack of training academics receive in communication skills and public speaking, I suspect that many academics appear rather absurd and irrelevant to the general populace when they present themselves in public fora. In academic contexts such behaviour is partly ‘forgiven’ as an eccentricity of the sphere, but sending academics out in to the community to do more public debate may actually further wound their reputation.

    I know I am often embarrassed by my colleagues when they are released like so many mutant laboratory rodents on to a public stage. Unless academics and other experts are properly trained in diplomacy, education, and the production of mass culture works, their skills in debate and analysis are just not going to convince the masses.

  5. jj

    And in a rather timely manner, here’s a story that furnishes us with another reason why academics leave themselves open to lampooning: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html

  6. jj

    And in a rather timely manner, here’s a story that furnishes us with another reason why academics leave themselves open to lampooning: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html

  7. liam hogan

    Sigh.
    Evil Pundit, I hate to pull out this argument from experience but…
    When was the last time you were in a humanities department? You’d probably find a surprising number of very conservative people, especially in history and english departments.
    Mark, I disagree. There’s a place for democratisation and a place for expertise. Historians and sociologists don’t go around expounding about the politics of plumbing, most of them know nothing about plumbing. When there’s a plumbing problem they expect to depend on a qualified plumber. So should people like Paul Sheehan, Miranda Devine and the other non-qualified commentators not be taken seriously when it comes to anxiety about ‘what’s being taught’.
    EP’s claims that uni departments are stacked with the ‘far left’ just show a lack of contact with uni departments.

  8. liam hogan

    Sigh.
    Evil Pundit, I hate to pull out this argument from experience but…
    When was the last time you were in a humanities department? You’d probably find a surprising number of very conservative people, especially in history and english departments.
    Mark, I disagree. There’s a place for democratisation and a place for expertise. Historians and sociologists don’t go around expounding about the politics of plumbing, most of them know nothing about plumbing. When there’s a plumbing problem they expect to depend on a qualified plumber. So should people like Paul Sheehan, Miranda Devine and the other non-qualified commentators not be taken seriously when it comes to anxiety about ‘what’s being taught’.
    EP’s claims that uni departments are stacked with the ‘far left’ just show a lack of contact with uni departments.

  9. Evil Pundit

    I don’t think your unsupported assertions are any more convincing than mine, Liam. Admittedly the last time I was in a humanities department was 20 years ago, but from what I’ve heard, they’ve only moved leftwards since then.

    I think the article linked by Mark in the first post speaks for itself. It’s a laundry list of leftist articles of faith, written by an academic historian who seems quite assured that his colleagues will back his points.

    All the evidencve I’ve seen, incluiding all the academics posting on this site, convinces me that universities are indeed far to the left of society in general. While the US has spawned more studies with hard numbers to back up this contention, there is no reason to think that Australian academia is significantly different in its political makeup.

  10. Evil Pundit

    I don’t think your unsupported assertions are any more convincing than mine, Liam. Admittedly the last time I was in a humanities department was 20 years ago, but from what I’ve heard, they’ve only moved leftwards since then.

    I think the article linked by Mark in the first post speaks for itself. It’s a laundry list of leftist articles of faith, written by an academic historian who seems quite assured that his colleagues will back his points.

    All the evidencve I’ve seen, incluiding all the academics posting on this site, convinces me that universities are indeed far to the left of society in general. While the US has spawned more studies with hard numbers to back up this contention, there is no reason to think that Australian academia is significantly different in its political makeup.

  11. Glen

    Mark,
    From what I can figure out, dissemination of knowledge and doing research are two poles on a continuum, but they are not the same thing.

    I think academics should be able to research whatever needs to be researched, but the role of disseminating (democratising) knowledge is everyone’s responsibility and it is not only up to academics to somehow ‘spread’ knowledge.

    DEST points measure the production of knowledge, maybe there needs to be another system that measures the social impact of research?

  12. Glen

    Mark,
    From what I can figure out, dissemination of knowledge and doing research are two poles on a continuum, but they are not the same thing.

    I think academics should be able to research whatever needs to be researched, but the role of disseminating (democratising) knowledge is everyone’s responsibility and it is not only up to academics to somehow ‘spread’ knowledge.

    DEST points measure the production of knowledge, maybe there needs to be another system that measures the social impact of research?

  13. Glen

    oh, couple of other thoughts.

    Humanities academics seem to be placed in a double bind. They have to fulfill the (arguably utopian) public intellectual role while having to carry out technical knowledge production. Are there any other areas of academia that need to (or meant to) do this?

    And it seems that what is up for grabs in all these so-called ‘wars’ is not so much a representation of contemporary society, but the ‘force of scholarship’ of who gets to define whatever (history, culture, etc). Not the actual descriptions, accounts, etc of whatever, but the mechanisms and apparatus of legitimation that gives such descriptions, accounts, etc their power. That is how I understand such debates around cultural studies. No one really seems interested in what is being said, but the how, why, who, when of what is being said. It is a way to dismiss what is being said without having to actually engage with it. Contrary to what EP says, it is anything BUT the ‘truth’.

  14. Glen

    oh, couple of other thoughts.

    Humanities academics seem to be placed in a double bind. They have to fulfill the (arguably utopian) public intellectual role while having to carry out technical knowledge production. Are there any other areas of academia that need to (or meant to) do this?

    And it seems that what is up for grabs in all these so-called ‘wars’ is not so much a representation of contemporary society, but the ‘force of scholarship’ of who gets to define whatever (history, culture, etc). Not the actual descriptions, accounts, etc of whatever, but the mechanisms and apparatus of legitimation that gives such descriptions, accounts, etc their power. That is how I understand such debates around cultural studies. No one really seems interested in what is being said, but the how, why, who, when of what is being said. It is a way to dismiss what is being said without having to actually engage with it. Contrary to what EP says, it is anything BUT the ‘truth’.

  15. Mark

    Liam, I’m not sure we’re all that far apart. I certainly don’t reject expertise and I absolutely don’t do so in the way that the Devines of the world do.

    My point is that strategically it’s a weak claim as it immediately reinforces the “elitist” argument.

    EP, In an earlier post I linked to an article which claims that the methodology used to support claims that academia in the US is left-dominated is deeply flawed.

  16. Mark

    Liam, I’m not sure we’re all that far apart. I certainly don’t reject expertise and I absolutely don’t do so in the way that the Devines of the world do.

    My point is that strategically it’s a weak claim as it immediately reinforces the “elitist” argument.

    EP, In an earlier post I linked to an article which claims that the methodology used to support claims that academia in the US is left-dominated is deeply flawed.

  17. Evil Pundit

    I’m aware of that post, Mark. I think the article is a rather lame attempt to denty something that the author knows very well to be the truth.

    When such tactics fail, the next step has traditionally been to declare that lefties dominate academia because they are smarter than righties.

    But here in Australia we have only begun to take the first step.

  18. Evil Pundit

    I’m aware of that post, Mark. I think the article is a rather lame attempt to denty something that the author knows very well to be the truth.

    When such tactics fail, the next step has traditionally been to declare that lefties dominate academia because they are smarter than righties.

    But here in Australia we have only begun to take the first step.

  19. Glen

    Well, EP, I associate with lefty humanities people because they have more empathy (and they are smarter!;).

  20. Glen

    Well, EP, I associate with lefty humanities people because they have more empathy (and they are smarter!;).

  21. Graham

    “Admittedly the last time I was in a humanities department was 20 years ago”

    Was that when you lost your tenure? Someone’s bitter!

  22. Graham

    “Admittedly the last time I was in a humanities department was 20 years ago”

    Was that when you lost your tenure? Someone’s bitter!

  23. Evil Pundit

    See? we’ve moved on to Step Two already. It’s easy!

  24. Evil Pundit

    See? we’ve moved on to Step Two already. It’s easy!

  25. Graham

    You’re just so elite, baby.

  26. Graham

    You’re just so elite, baby.

  27. Evil Pundit

    I rock.

  28. Evil Pundit

    I rock.

  29. Kim

    Except on the Nordic charts.

  30. Kim

    Except on the Nordic charts.

  31. Evil Pundit

    Curse you ABBA!@!@!

  32. Evil Pundit

    Curse you ABBA!@!@!

  33. Kim

    I think there’s a subliminable socialist message in “Money, money, money, must be funny, in a rich man’s world”…

  34. Kim

    I think there’s a subliminable socialist message in “Money, money, money, must be funny, in a rich man’s world”…

  35. liam hogan

    And an anti-war message in ‘Waterloo’?

  36. liam hogan

    And an anti-war message in ‘Waterloo’?

  37. Kim

    That’s why EP hates Sweden so much.

  38. Kim

    That’s why EP hates Sweden so much.