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24 responses to “Welfare to Work Reform”

  1. rex bellatore

    The ALP needs a big economic policy differentiator that can play to the electorate and eliminate the grab-bag effect of current ALP policies. Many are sensible in and of themselves but they just cannot be sold as a coherent whole to the electorate. A framework such as a big tax/welfare reform package would enable other policies to be hung off those hooks.

    Also the Libs, well, have generally wasted the last 9 years of Government with feather-bedding, pointless ideological battles with unions and other hated groups, overheating the housing market, and squabbling amongst themselves, briefly waking up only to implement a regressive tax leftover from the 1960s. A big tax idea like this could shock the electorate into seeing the Liberals for what they are – coasting along into the abyss of the coming recession dog-whistling in the dark. (mash those metaphors!).

  2. rex bellatore

    The ALP needs a big economic policy differentiator that can play to the electorate and eliminate the grab-bag effect of current ALP policies. Many are sensible in and of themselves but they just cannot be sold as a coherent whole to the electorate. A framework such as a big tax/welfare reform package would enable other policies to be hung off those hooks.

    Also the Libs, well, have generally wasted the last 9 years of Government with feather-bedding, pointless ideological battles with unions and other hated groups, overheating the housing market, and squabbling amongst themselves, briefly waking up only to implement a regressive tax leftover from the 1960s. A big tax idea like this could shock the electorate into seeing the Liberals for what they are – coasting along into the abyss of the coming recession dog-whistling in the dark. (mash those metaphors!).

  3. Glen

    ‘Shirker’ seems tied directly to the neo-liberal drive for ‘maximum productivity’, which, when translated, means ‘extract surplus value from every human endeavour’ and ‘efficient reproduction of the status quo’. If people want to stuff around and be the societal equivalent of couch potatos, then bugger them. However, I hardly think the complexity of juggling many responsibilities can be reduced to the one for which the government provides financial support, such as parenting support, medical benefits, employment assistance or whatever. To reduce the complexity of the lives of people who do receive this support according to a singular axis revolving around the support itself is utter nonsense.

    From my experience (admittedly on the sidelines, watching people close to me work in the ‘benefits industry’) reducing the lives of people in such a manner isn’t just wrong, it is a tragedy. There are people who have horrid lives and who do try to make a go of it, but find it very difficult. It is funny that most people do not want to live shit lives. I agree with what Andrew has written, I cannot see how the rhetorical path (or, more correctly, popularist discursive formation) being roughly hewn from reactionary public sentiment by the government is at all enabling.

  4. Glen

    ‘Shirker’ seems tied directly to the neo-liberal drive for ‘maximum productivity’, which, when translated, means ‘extract surplus value from every human endeavour’ and ‘efficient reproduction of the status quo’. If people want to stuff around and be the societal equivalent of couch potatos, then bugger them. However, I hardly think the complexity of juggling many responsibilities can be reduced to the one for which the government provides financial support, such as parenting support, medical benefits, employment assistance or whatever. To reduce the complexity of the lives of people who do receive this support according to a singular axis revolving around the support itself is utter nonsense.

    From my experience (admittedly on the sidelines, watching people close to me work in the ‘benefits industry’) reducing the lives of people in such a manner isn’t just wrong, it is a tragedy. There are people who have horrid lives and who do try to make a go of it, but find it very difficult. It is funny that most people do not want to live shit lives. I agree with what Andrew has written, I cannot see how the rhetorical path (or, more correctly, popularist discursive formation) being roughly hewn from reactionary public sentiment by the government is at all enabling.

  5. Mark

    No argument from me, Glen. It’s got much more to do with keeping wages low and the needs of business than any welfare motivation – not to mention making political capital.

  6. Mark

    No argument from me, Glen. It’s got much more to do with keeping wages low and the needs of business than any welfare motivation – not to mention making political capital.

  7. Glen

    In lieu of trackback:

    http://glenfuller.blogspot.com/2005/05/dole-bludgers-guide.html

    [...] As a sidenote to Mark’s post on ‘shirkers’ I thought this may be a good opportunity to share some of my very serious Van Wheels magazine archival work. [...]

  8. Glen

    In lieu of trackback:

    http://glenfuller.blogspot.com/2005/05/dole-bludgers-guide.html

    [...] As a sidenote to Mark’s post on ‘shirkers’ I thought this may be a good opportunity to share some of my very serious Van Wheels magazine archival work. [...]

  9. Paul Watson

    Another aspect of the “bludger” to “shirker” re-badging is the demographic loss of the 1970s surfie drop-out types.

    While a tiny % of those on the dole may indeed live relatively happpy lives at Byron, et al, the sort of negative branding inherent is suych a stereotype has lost its former edge.

    With a typical unemployed person now much more likely to be highly-educated and live in a large city, a new negative branding campaign is obviously required.

  10. Paul Watson

    Another aspect of the “bludger” to “shirker” re-badging is the demographic loss of the 1970s surfie drop-out types.

    While a tiny % of those on the dole may indeed live relatively happpy lives at Byron, et al, the sort of negative branding inherent is suych a stereotype has lost its former edge.

    With a typical unemployed person now much more likely to be highly-educated and live in a large city, a new negative branding campaign is obviously required.

  11. Mark

    Well, given that you would lose the dole for 6 months if you moved to Byron without putting a case to Centrelink and probably the AAT, there can’t be too many of them these days.

  12. Mark

    Well, given that you would lose the dole for 6 months if you moved to Byron without putting a case to Centrelink and probably the AAT, there can’t be too many of them these days.

  13. Paul Watson

    Mark,

    You’re missing my point. If I really could live happily on $230/wk as a surfie dropout in Byron, I’d bite the 6 month penalty as cheap at the price.

    But funnily enough, not many of my generation actually want what was apparently de riguer for young aspirationals in the 1970s. I WANT A JOB – and I’m living in an grimy area where there are supposed to be plenty. That makes me a “shirker” by definition, I expect.

  14. Paul Watson

    Mark,

    You’re missing my point. If I really could live happily on $230/wk as a surfie dropout in Byron, I’d bite the 6 month penalty as cheap at the price.

    But funnily enough, not many of my generation actually want what was apparently de riguer for young aspirationals in the 1970s. I WANT A JOB – and I’m living in an grimy area where there are supposed to be plenty. That makes me a “shirker” by definition, I expect.

  15. Mark

    I got what you were saying, Paul, but I also wanted to make a point about the stereotype of the surfie shirker.

  16. Mark

    I got what you were saying, Paul, but I also wanted to make a point about the stereotype of the surfie shirker.

  17. Australia Loved

    How sweet: welfare to work!

    If work exists de facto-why professionals are employed on biological merits only while world-wide luring newcomers with tales of â??Australian opportunitiesâ?? and speechifying of â??family businessâ?? and â??work is akin a marriage: you are loved or not toâ???

    Reality is that playing statistics while providing a real number of unemployed and establishing a system where the most educated and intellectually capable of inferior backgrounds have been pressed into denigrating activities while any three-month short term contractors and job-network members are contributed by government.

    Even â??work-for-a-doleâ?? slavesâ?? placements were contributed by receptors of a work force-these â??communityâ?? (too often, simply church-belonging) shops of which retail prices are higher than in many other places.

    Using a meaning of job as a stick used to manipulate under-castes is a very it of a next neo-racist neo-nazi Howard governmentâ??s rape of freedom and democracy in this Englandâ??s semi-colony.

  18. Australia Loved

    How sweet: welfare to work!

    If work exists de facto-why professionals are employed on biological merits only while world-wide luring newcomers with tales of â??Australian opportunitiesâ?? and speechifying of â??family businessâ?? and â??work is akin a marriage: you are loved or not toâ???

    Reality is that playing statistics while providing a real number of unemployed and establishing a system where the most educated and intellectually capable of inferior backgrounds have been pressed into denigrating activities while any three-month short term contractors and job-network members are contributed by government.

    Even â??work-for-a-doleâ?? slavesâ?? placements were contributed by receptors of a work force-these â??communityâ?? (too often, simply church-belonging) shops of which retail prices are higher than in many other places.

    Using a meaning of job as a stick used to manipulate under-castes is a very it of a next neo-racist neo-nazi Howard governmentâ??s rape of freedom and democracy in this Englandâ??s semi-colony.

  19. Graham Bell

    Glen [2nd post on this thread]:

    reducing the lives of people in such a manner isn’t just wrong, it is a tragedy. There are people who have horrid lives and who do try to make a go of it, but find it very difficult. It is funny that most people do not want to live shit lives.

    It’s not just an issue of morality and of applied (as opposed to ideological) economics ….. it is a matter of national security. You don’t need an IQ much above 65 or 70 to understand how it is that Hamas and Hizbollah gained so much widespread support and so many willing recruits willing to die for the cause – or – go back a few decades and see how the Nazis and the Communists came to power. The Howard government claims to be fighting terrorism yet with this “Welfare-To-Work” ideological nonsense, it has prepared and fertilized the ground for all sorts of terrorist groups to find willing recruits and enthusiastic support right here in Australia. Back to the drawing-board before people get really hurt by counterproductive policies and half-baked programs.

    Everyone:
    Now that Veterans’ Day (Long Tan commemoration) is over and the spin-doctors’ “apology” to Viet-Nam War veterans has been safely delivered to an unquestioning public by Mr J.W.Howard …. it’s a safe bet that Dept. of Veterans’ Affairs will start heaving Totally and Permanently Incapacitated veterans off their pensions as the Stakhanovites in D.V.A. strive to exceed their norms too. “They wouldn’t dare do that; we fought for our country”. Yeah , right….

  20. Graham Bell

    Glen [2nd post on this thread]:

    reducing the lives of people in such a manner isn’t just wrong, it is a tragedy. There are people who have horrid lives and who do try to make a go of it, but find it very difficult. It is funny that most people do not want to live shit lives.

    It’s not just an issue of morality and of applied (as opposed to ideological) economics ….. it is a matter of national security. You don’t need an IQ much above 65 or 70 to understand how it is that Hamas and Hizbollah gained so much widespread support and so many willing recruits willing to die for the cause – or – go back a few decades and see how the Nazis and the Communists came to power. The Howard government claims to be fighting terrorism yet with this “Welfare-To-Work” ideological nonsense, it has prepared and fertilized the ground for all sorts of terrorist groups to find willing recruits and enthusiastic support right here in Australia. Back to the drawing-board before people get really hurt by counterproductive policies and half-baked programs.

    Everyone:
    Now that Veterans’ Day (Long Tan commemoration) is over and the spin-doctors’ “apology” to Viet-Nam War veterans has been safely delivered to an unquestioning public by Mr J.W.Howard …. it’s a safe bet that Dept. of Veterans’ Affairs will start heaving Totally and Permanently Incapacitated veterans off their pensions as the Stakhanovites in D.V.A. strive to exceed their norms too. “They wouldn’t dare do that; we fought for our country”. Yeah , right….

  21. Zig for "Zig Hail!"

    Everyone:

    As understood, â??Australia Lovedâ?? had embedded by deploying some special Universe-English so-called â??Welfare-to-Dole initiativeâ?? from a very practical notion of a person not w o r k i n g f o r but being a vital part of a xenophobic racist Australian job-system creating employment opportunities for the l o y a l to English royals Anglo-Saxes only.

    G.Bell, to my understanding, does caught a very core of Howardâ??s novelty: as â??potentially suspicious inhabitantsâ??, non-Anglo population especially, cannot nowadays be openly forced into registering with and explicit supervision by police/correction services as it was done at the time with abos in Australia and more recently in S. Africa with non-whites, subtly sheltered with rhetoric of a â??job assistanceâ??, a correction-style system is being established by a good son of a then member of Australian fascist party recently.

    Practically, anyone on government handover recently are on mercy of seemingly non-government â??job networkâ?? bureaucrats and can easily be relocated wherever imaginary job opportunities are higher.

    Zig Hail â??Job Networkâ??! Zig Hail coalition! Zig Hail White Australia!

  22. Zig for "Zig Hail!"

    Everyone:

    As understood, â??Australia Lovedâ?? had embedded by deploying some special Universe-English so-called â??Welfare-to-Dole initiativeâ?? from a very practical notion of a person not w o r k i n g f o r but being a vital part of a xenophobic racist Australian job-system creating employment opportunities for the l o y a l to English royals Anglo-Saxes only.

    G.Bell, to my understanding, does caught a very core of Howardâ??s novelty: as â??potentially suspicious inhabitantsâ??, non-Anglo population especially, cannot nowadays be openly forced into registering with and explicit supervision by police/correction services as it was done at the time with abos in Australia and more recently in S. Africa with non-whites, subtly sheltered with rhetoric of a â??job assistanceâ??, a correction-style system is being established by a good son of a then member of Australian fascist party recently.

    Practically, anyone on government handover recently are on mercy of seemingly non-government â??job networkâ?? bureaucrats and can easily be relocated wherever imaginary job opportunities are higher.

    Zig Hail â??Job Networkâ??! Zig Hail coalition! Zig Hail White Australia!

  23. j_p_z

    “…Zig Hail â??Job Networkâ??! Zig Hail coalition! Zig Hail White Australia!…”

    ???!!!

    Oh well.

    Sieggy played guitar,
    Jammin good with Weird and Gilly,
    And the Spiders from Mars.
    He played it left hand,
    But made it too far…

  24. j_p_z

    “…Zig Hail â??Job Networkâ??! Zig Hail coalition! Zig Hail White Australia!…”

    ???!!!

    Oh well.

    Sieggy played guitar,
    Jammin good with Weird and Gilly,
    And the Spiders from Mars.
    He played it left hand,
    But made it too far…