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11 responses to “Has the Baby Bubble Burst?”

  1. harry

    Well, geez Paul, if you’re going to introduce facts and logic into the conversation then what hope does our porr Government have?

  2. Homer Paxton

    Is this a pregnant pause?

  3. Lefty Elitist

    Yes, I can assure you there’s plenty of overtime involved, and $3000 doesnt cover the on-costs.

    Mind you, we missed out by 3 months, and only got $1000 under the old scheme.

  4. Mindy

    But in the end many of us pre baby payment parents end up better off because we can claim under the old scheme until our kids are 5.

  5. Anthony

    Excellent post Paul. A slight qualification. You say that talk of choice and preference dominates conservative discussion of women’s labour force participation patterns, but not of men’s. In fact, a lot of the conservative moral panic around welfare dependency and dole bludgers and so on does suggest men are ‘choosing’ not to work. It’s just that conservatives see this as a Bad Thing, whereas married women’s ‘choice’ not to work is seen as a Good Thing, supportive of the natural order of things. Outside of conservative group-think, I think your general point holds: preference theory for the women; structural change for the men.

  6. Homer Paxton

    Paul, the most significant fall in the male participation rate is in theb 55-65 cohort.

    some 5 years I was told by Treasury Asutralia had the lowest male participation for this age in the OECD.
    They thought it to be the double dipping effect.
    Retire at 55 or thereabouts and live on super.
    It dries up and then live on pension.
    given most were single income earners this made economic sense because both husband AND wife were entitled for pension.

    Of course people in this age bracket are unlikely to have childrenunless you are the wife of Abraham!!

  7. Paul Norton

    Homer, weren’t Abraham and Sarah 99 and 89 respectively when Sarah popped Isaac out?

  8. Steve Edney

    Paul,

    Interesting article, but one point. You say that the peak in the bounce is 2003-2004 which coincides with conception near the peak of the housing market boom – in Sydney at least. However the comments made by Peter Brain,

    Peter Brain, co-author of the paper and executive director of National Economics, said the decision to delay childbirth was finally catching up with inner city would-be mums and dads.
    Easing Sydney home prices and the highest per capita income growth in the country had also helped give inner-city couples the financial freedom to commit to having a child.
    “It reflects a recovery to fertility rates that would have happened if we didn’t have a housing boom,” Dr Brain said.

    are talking about a baby increase post housing boom, – essentially babies born in 2005 and later.

    I’ve always thought it was more convincing that the rise is due to people my age (thirty-ish) who are the echo of the baby boom and a larger cohort, that delayed pregnancy to about this age- late twenties early thirties. Certainly my experience anecdotally that lots of my age cohort are getting down to the baby making business over the last couple of years (me and my wife included!).

    Although from the figures you are showing I’m wondering that given the that the fluctuations seem to be, +/- 2000 per month and +/- 5000 per year if there is any real discernable trend here at all. Are we just reading tea leaves or is it just statistically indistiguishable from being generally flat?

  9. Paul Norton

    Steve, I’d need to get hold of figures for births disaggregated by regions and localities to provide a definitive reply on your first point. I don’t necessarily endorse Brain’s specific explanation, but I think he is at least asking the right questions by looking at relationships between economic conditions and decisions on family formation.

    On the second point, various ABS figures suggest that the 35-44 cohort is where the main action was in 2003-2004, and that 25-34 was the one cohort which didn’t experience the changes in workforce participation and motherhood rates which seemed to accompany the bounce.

  10. Homer Paxton

    I wasn’t around then!

  11. observa

    Nah they’re all hanging about waiting for the High Court, just in case things don’t go smoothly. They wanna know who’s gunna pay then?
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17201791-29277,00.html