As was reported today, police have been demanding mobiles, looking at messages sent and received, and then either confiscating them or handing them back.
“Jane, from Coogee, was surprised to find three police on her bus asking to inspect mobile phones. Each took a phone at random and scrolled through messages for five or ten minutes. Everyone obeyed. “The people were perfectly friendly about it,” she said. “I thought it was a bit weird and a breach of privacy. But I didn’t say anything. Nobody did.”"
They are doing it by looking at who sent what to whom, based on inspections of individual phones, and not by liam’s supposed wiretap method.
SJ, thank you for not at all reading the article and making an arse of yourself.
Picture yourself as the AFP. Which do you do, is it;
a) a trace of reported unsolicited messages from their numbers, followed by a keyword query search of text messages in the Optus and Telstra databases, or
b) a random bus search of commuters.
The bus search you’ve quoted was to intimidate the people going to the beach, not to find out if they actually had text messages.
And before you get all whingey no I don’t think it’s a good idea for commuters to be intimidated.
Note, liam, I’m neither defending not attacking the propriety of what’s being done. I’m disagreeing solely with your supposition of how it’s being done.
I figured they’d be doing that anyway, that’s easy searching, well within the means of the lowest ranking constable. The Commonwealth goons would have nothing to do with it unless they were asked to do a broader search.
And your comments about the bus have what relevance?
What comments about the bus? I didn’t make any. I quoted a story from today’s Herald, as factual support of my contention that you’re wrong. WTF is your problem?
Sorry SJ. Am feeling a little punchy due to the mosquitoes around my desk.
The coppers on the bus, I think, weren’t doing an SMS search, but were trying to intimidate the passengers out of starting anything at the beach.
Police randomly selecting phones on a bus is a pretty poor way to track down SMS messages. If it is someone’s grand idea of how the trace the messages then they need a mobile phone shoved up their orifice and be welcomed into the modern world. The Telcos would be a better place to start and more efficient.
“Police randomly selecting phones on a bus is a pretty poor way to track down SMS messages. “
Is this in your capacity as:
a) Someone who knows jack-shit about it,
b) Someone who had “conversations long ago with engineering students”, or
c) Someone we should listen to, and if so, why?
Settle down SJ. All we are discussing is the best way for police to trackdown origins of SMS messages.
Random searches may get lucky but by the very nature of being random you’ll often miss. Telstra (not sure of the other telcos) allegedly retain SMS records for up to 28 days. If that is the case, why bother with inefficient random searches?
Shaun, you’ve got to the heart of the issue (notwithstanding whatever Kim reckons she saw Missy Higgins up to ). What are the telcos’ SMS retention policies, and are they disclosed somewhere?
What are your legal rights/obligations here? If you’re just sitting on a bus or the street … can you refuse to have hand over your phone for a random search?
Not that I would. I cower before petty authority. Just asking.
Order point of relevance to the honourable minister?
For proper intercepts unless done under federal police juristiction would be more of a matter
for DCD? or ASIO in conjunction with the telcos as stirring national unrest could be put into
the new terrorism laws so getting the police to random searches is/was almost pointless.
But due to the nature of the incident it didn’t get classed that way hence they aren’t getting involved
otherwise thhe offenders would have been found by now and on the news.
Another thing they have forgotten or overlooked is the fact that chances are it’s
originating from an internet sms gateway provider with a stolen CC.
And that is probably why thhey won’t get found if thats the case.
I may not be a line tech or an area manager or system engineer and have spent no time
around such people but due to experiences had with mailicous calls i know these are just some of
scope of it all.
Keep it real and in future try stay on the topic.
If missy is lesbian good luck to her.
It’s none of my concern.
Jealousy is a curse for those who have no life or nothing relevant to talk about.
I have feeling that whole Missy-lesbian thing is just an image-based urban myth deriving from the fact that she’s a female major music star with short hair. Correct me if I’m wrong, as I live way out of the mainstream (in Alice Springs), but it’s unbearably tedious if true, along with beliefs that women wearing flat shoes or trousers must be lesbians (these myths are, alas, very still alive and kicking).
Several of the lambs who had lost their way and accidentally strayed in from (as someone so unkindly remarked at the time) East Bogan High to the interminable lipsniging thread seemed convinced that the short hair was proof positive. I guess this means Heath Ledger’s a lesbian, ay.
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Liam’s analysis is wrong.
As was reported today, police have been demanding mobiles, looking at messages sent and received, and then either confiscating them or handing them back.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/australians-are-an-obedient-people–but-for-how-long/2005/12/18/1134840742464.html
“Jane, from Coogee, was surprised to find three police on her bus asking to inspect mobile phones. Each took a phone at random and scrolled through messages for five or ten minutes. Everyone obeyed. “The people were perfectly friendly about it,” she said. “I thought it was a bit weird and a breach of privacy. But I didn’t say anything. Nobody did.”"
They are doing it by looking at who sent what to whom, based on inspections of individual phones, and not by liam’s supposed wiretap method.
SJ, thank you for not at all reading the article and making an arse of yourself.
Picture yourself as the AFP. Which do you do, is it;
a) a trace of reported unsolicited messages from their numbers, followed by a keyword query search of text messages in the Optus and Telstra databases, or
b) a random bus search of commuters.
The bus search you’ve quoted was to intimidate the people going to the beach, not to find out if they actually had text messages.
And before you get all whingey no I don’t think it’s a good idea for commuters to be intimidated.
I read the article.
I can’t see why any kind of search of the actual text would be required.
The NSW Police find that a message came from phone number 04nn nnn nnn.
They then try to find out who owns the sending phone, either with or without the help of the AFP.
Note, liam, I’m neither defending not attacking the propriety of what’s being done. I’m disagreeing solely with your supposition of how it’s being done.
I figured they’d be doing that anyway, that’s easy searching, well within the means of the lowest ranking constable. The Commonwealth goons would have nothing to do with it unless they were asked to do a broader search.
And your comments about the bus have what relevance?
What comments about the bus? I didn’t make any. I quoted a story from today’s Herald, as factual support of my contention that you’re wrong. WTF is your problem?
Sorry SJ. Am feeling a little punchy due to the mosquitoes around my desk.
The coppers on the bus, I think, weren’t doing an SMS search, but were trying to intimidate the passengers out of starting anything at the beach.
“The coppers on the bus, I think, weren’t doing an SMS search”
Jesus H Christ.
“Each took a phone at random and scrolled through messages for five or ten minutes.“
Police randomly selecting phones on a bus is a pretty poor way to track down SMS messages. If it is someone’s grand idea of how the trace the messages then they need a mobile phone shoved up their orifice and be welcomed into the modern world. The Telcos would be a better place to start and more efficient.
“Police randomly selecting phones on a bus is a pretty poor way to track down SMS messages. “
Is this in your capacity as:
a) Someone who knows jack-shit about it,
b) Someone who had “conversations long ago with engineering students”, or
c) Someone we should listen to, and if so, why?
Settle down SJ. All we are discussing is the best way for police to trackdown origins of SMS messages.
Random searches may get lucky but by the very nature of being random you’ll often miss. Telstra (not sure of the other telcos) allegedly retain SMS records for up to 28 days. If that is the case, why bother with inefficient random searches?
I think you’re both missing the point, the real question is… what’s that about Missy?
I saw Missy kissing Mrs Claus – underneath the mistletoe last night!
Shaun, you’ve got to the heart of the issue (notwithstanding whatever Kim reckons she saw Missy Higgins up to
). What are the telcos’ SMS retention policies, and are they disclosed somewhere?
What are your legal rights/obligations here? If you’re just sitting on a bus or the street … can you refuse to have hand over your phone for a random search?
Not that I would. I cower before petty authority. Just asking.
wtf-i-saw-santa-w-a-mbl-last-night-slm-in2-a-tree-trying-2-send-sms’s-whilst-steering-the-slay-with-his-feet?
Order point of relevance to the honourable minister?
For proper intercepts unless done under federal police juristiction would be more of a matter
for DCD? or ASIO in conjunction with the telcos as stirring national unrest could be put into
the new terrorism laws so getting the police to random searches is/was almost pointless.
But due to the nature of the incident it didn’t get classed that way hence they aren’t getting involved
otherwise thhe offenders would have been found by now and on the news.
Another thing they have forgotten or overlooked is the fact that chances are it’s
originating from an internet sms gateway provider with a stolen CC.
And that is probably why thhey won’t get found if thats the case.
I may not be a line tech or an area manager or system engineer and have spent no time
around such people but due to experiences had with mailicous calls i know these are just some of
scope of it all.
Keep it real and in future try stay on the topic.
If missy is lesbian good luck to her.
It’s none of my concern.
Jealousy is a curse for those who have no life or nothing relevant to talk about.
Tony D, we have irrefutable intelligence: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreadfuldan/6857789/in/set-61111/
(another reason to vote Boudist!)
But this also raises a new question – is Missy Jewish?
I didn’t really see Missy. Joke, Joyce!
I have feeling that whole Missy-lesbian thing is just an image-based urban myth deriving from the fact that she’s a female major music star with short hair. Correct me if I’m wrong, as I live way out of the mainstream (in Alice Springs), but it’s unbearably tedious if true, along with beliefs that women wearing flat shoes or trousers must be lesbians (these myths are, alas, very still alive and kicking).
Several of the lambs who had lost their way and accidentally strayed in from (as someone so unkindly remarked at the time) East Bogan High to the interminable lipsniging thread seemed convinced that the short hair was proof positive. I guess this means Heath Ledger’s a lesbian, ay.