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16 responses to “This is what we use it for”

  1. D

    Did you catch Jaron Lanier talking about this stuff on the philosophers zone last month? I also wrote a post on the marketplace of ideas online.
    I tend to agree with you.
    It’s not surprising that a lot of people keep that interaction very lighthearted and superficial: who wants to risk alienating these people who find your obscure hobbies interesting by getting too serious about something where their opinions may differ from yours?
    But, also, the freedom to get serious is there too and that’s another beauty of interaction online. The evolution of all this technology is an amazing thing and I think it’s facilitating our own evolution in ways that we can’t even see yet. Great post.

  2. Katz

    Most folks are inclined to be timewasters and scalliwags.

    “Utopian” SF imagines a world where those entertaining tendencies have been bred-out/educated-out/beaten-out of the denizens of Utopia.

    This is the literature of control-freakery. Writers of this dross denigrate or deny the human capacity for subversion of authority.

    In fact, the most potent technological advances have multiplied opportunities for timewasting and scalliwaggery.

    Viva Cyberspace!

  3. The Devil Drink

    That’s a good readin’ post, tigtog. Got me thinking over my breakfast rum ‘n’ coke ‘n’ weetbix, that popular history and historical fiction has been another victim of our times.
    Where would a Baronness Orczy or a Georgette Heyer ply her clever and fun trade in today’s current publishing market? Presumably they’d all be directing History Channel documentaries on how successful the Second World War was fought or how fun the Normandy landings were, keeping carefully away from such clusterfucks as the fall of Singapore, Churchill’s Norway experiment, Dunkirk, or Bataan.
    Huh. I suppose that’s caused by an overreliance on Grand Narrative, though, rather than its much-exaggerated demise.
    Put down the Grand Narrative, I say, and pass the Grand Marnier. It’s nearly eleven o’clock.

  4. Shaun

    I’ve got to agree with Charlie Stross regarding the current status of horror especially vampire fiction. Funny thing was I had just started working on a post complaining about the treatment of the poor vampire in fiction these days.

  5. Matilda

    I will put forth the idea that the ugly, protracted death of American near-future SF began more than a year before Sept. 11, 2001, when Caleb Carr published Killing Time serially in Time magazine. Our dear Caleb should stick to near past and protoforensics, because Killing Time was composed exclusively of ass.

    However, I have hope for the future, because I am just embarking on what is sure to be a correspondence for the ages with my 10-year-old nephew. Clearly it’s time for me to write my near-future scifi novel.

  6. professor rat

    It’s very early days Mark…baby steps…I remember when the US right-wing ran the blogosphere…hell! I remember when there was no Google and we used to live in a lake!

    Sheesh…what rat years are to dog years. 2000 seems so far ago.

    Every second that passes some more miles of fibre-optic and wifi coverage spill outward, onward and upward blanketing the globe. I think its a ‘ scale free’ thang and the beauty part is that it’s DARPA originated. The capitalists sell us the rope we now use to hang them with.

    One quibble with one comment. I would not lump the Norway heavy water plant strike as a clusterfuck. Even the sinking of a passenger ferry with loss of innocent life was justified as legit collateral damage in order to stop Hitler getting the chance to make a bomb. This is also one of the extremely rare examples of the UK secret service Mi6 actually pulling off a class operation.
    I can’t think of any other…unless you count the taking of credit for signals and cryptanalysis. One of the best books I’ve ever read in any catergory is by Leo Marks about ww2. It’s called ‘ Between silk and cyanide’.

    Now I’m out of puff’n'stuff. Pass the cabernet.

  7. tigtog

    professor rat writes:It’s very early days Mark…baby steps…

    Mark hasn’t commented on this thread, dear professor.

    How was the cabernet?

  8. The Devil Drink

    My cabernet was superb. Too dark to see through and just a very little bit tangy, with hints of liquid petroleum gas, or was that the bus I drank it on?
    Only one way to find out: exhaustive testing of both wine and exhaust.

  9. tigtog

    DD: I had chardonnay pinot gris tonight, with san choy bao. Yum.

    To go back to your earlier comment, I think the historical romance sector is still fairly strong, actually. Anglospheric history has been well mined, so we see more Egyptian, Roman and Viking history to satisfy the romantic yearnings. Fewer heaving bosoms and more eyeliner, clinging linens and occasional furry romps – what’s not to like?

    Shaun, I believe these days if a vampire can’t tapdance ironically he’s fucked.

    Matilda, you make me glad I have never heard of Caleb Carr before. It sounds like he needs a good dose of two parts scalliwaggery to one part philosophising.

  10. Shaun

    One reason why I liked F Paul Wilson’s Midnight Mass tigtog. Not ironic, tap dancing, angst ridden vampires in this book. Just a whole bunch of mean, bloodsucking, totally evil vampires.

    I’m reading through The Historian by Elizabeth Kostova. A lovely written take on the Dracula legend so far (but I am only halfway through and in the midst of some all too convenient chance meetings serving as a plot device).

  11. Graham Bell

    Everyone:
    I used to like science-fiction UNTIL that awful day when Hollywood got its claws into Heinlein’s Starship Troopers, tore the guts out of it, then turned its carcase into a cowboys-n-injuns-with-rayguns for nong-nongs with less than 6 neurons between each ear.

    Thank goodness for that excellent documentary, Adams’ Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy.

    [Anyone who says it isn't a documentary hasn't been watching what's been coming out of the White House or Canberra lately]. :-)

  12. Liam

    I lament the terrible decline of the other, non-optimistic genre of science-fiction: the apocalypse story. Our current-day terrors are fairly scary, but when you compare bin Laden’s bizarre cave-rants with the pants-filling frighteningness of U2 flights over Cuba, ballistic missile submarines and MIRVs, how can the poor little rich boy ever hope to compete?
    What recent equivalents are there for On The Beach, Day of the Triffids, Red Alert/Dr. Strangelove, The Day After, Mad Max, and so on? Why does Hollywood have to reach back to HG Wells to get a decent end-of-the-world plot? (Deep Impact doesn’t count, and nor does The Day After Tomorrow. Shockers, both of them). Why did Independence Day have to end with the aliens getting beaten?
    Don’t give me Terminator, by the way. Number 2 was the best action movie ever made, but it’s an apocalypse-averted story, not the opposite. In this age of terror I think we need a bit less optimism and some actual, genuine, horrifying narratives.

    The exception to my theory (breaking the Three Paragraph Rule): Zombie movies. May their tribe increase, with lots of shuffling and biting and groaning.

  13. Shaun

    Shuffling zombies yes but not the fast running ones. Never liked that ‘update.’

  14. tigtog

    I wonder if zombies singin Is this the way to Amarillo? would be as amusing as the Royal Dragoons?

    That vid’s given me an intermittent earworm for the past two weeks, but at least when I start hearing it it brings a smile to my face.

    The upside down faces with chin-eyes version of Total Eclipse is I think my favorite.

  15. tigtog

    Bob Carr and Geoffrey Blainey are weighing in on the history wars again.

  16. Graham Bell

    Liam:
    I think you’ve actually hit the nail right on the head. There does seem to be Apocalypse Avoidance in recent English-language writing and films/dvds that have passed my way.