Gunblogging

One of the interesting stories in the news today is an academic paper published in the British Journal of Criminology (which is a pretty prestigious journal) purporting to show that the gun buyback instituted in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre had no impact on the rates of gun homicide in Australia. Andrew Leigh has looked at the methodology and begs to differ. You can read why here.


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27 responses to “Gunblogging”

  1. C.L.

    I supported the initiative but the evidence seems to suggest it was largely useless. Not sure what to think now.

  2. Zoe

    Maybe that Labor was worse anyway?

  3. Mark

    I think I’ll delete all those comments.

  4. Gummo Trotsky

    Obviously we need more responsible gun owners to go out there and shoot some dead people. They should do it for their countree!

  5. Phill

    Oh Mark,do you think as well?But im easily fooled.

    The computer says No (cough)

  6. Phill

    So the gun buy back had no impact on the rates of homicide.So what !
    People who like guns and use them for a recrational sport are suspect.Clay pigeons, plastic ducks or targets, i could care less people that like these fucking things are bent.If i had my way, you would’nt unless you are a farmer or similar, be allowed to own one.

    Apart from farmers, soldiers,and certain police officers, people if found with them should be jailed,no ifs or butts.I have never met a gun enthusiast yet i thought had a full deck.

  7. Ron

    “I have never met a gun enthusiast yet i thought had a full deck.”

    I feel the same about adults who ride bicycles on city roads and highways, Phill.

  8. tigtog

    Does Phill with two ‘l’s ride a bike as well as our Phil with one-l? Double-l Phill flies off the hyperbole handle so easily I shudder to think about his impulse control on the road on his feet, let alone wheels.

    Anyway, I know people who do target shooting with rifles. It appeals to people who like precision, and couldn’t be more removed from the shooting-gallery with handguns and people-shaped targets, which I do find disturbing. I also understand the appeal of hunting, although I disapprove of it unless actually for food.

  9. Mindy

    I know a few shooters, all lovely people who just happen to be interested in guns. Many of them are cynical about the gun buyback as well because it did little to get rid of the guns circulating in the criminal fraternity.

    I’m not a shooter myself, I don’t like guns but I do understand the point of shooting to rid land of feral animals, and the licensing hoops you have to go through now days are pretty tight. Target shooters are by and large pretty harmless types who will, given the opportunity, bore you silly with descriptions of sighting in the rifle, wind speed, target spacing etc. but that’s about as dangerous as most of them get.

  10. boredinhK

    Good one Gummo-
    “Obviously we need more responsible gun owners to go out there and shoot some dead people ”
    This one should be be good for a few jokes at least.
    Can’t think of any myself but still….
    “what , while they zoom past in the hearse ?”

  11. Honey Bunny

    Any of you fucking pricks move, and I’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

  12. Katz

    AIRLIE WARD [ABC Anchor Person]: All Australian States agreed to introduce tough new laws to reduce the supply of firearms, restrict access and prohibit a range of weapons. Owners were compensated for their surrendered weapons in a buy-back scheme. The new laws were a test of mettle for John Howard. The new Prime Minister wore a bullet-proof vest at a rally in Victoria.

    JOHN HOWARD: I’m sorry about that but there is no other way, there is no other way. I apologise for that but that is the basis of our decision.

    http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/tas/content/2006/s1626459.htm

    What a pity Ratty suited up to no purpose.

    However, all may not be lost. If Ratty still has that vest, perhaps he could wear it in Iraq when he resigns in disgrace and commits himself to the battle in the Central Front of the War Against Terrorism.

  13. Phill

    Cemeteries are full of women and children who thought it was ok for dad to have a gun..But that’s probably more hyperbole.

    But hey,lets have a referendum on guns.Im sure the gun lobby will have a resounding victory.he he.

  14. Gummo Trotsky

    boredinHK,

    How about “Guns don’t resurrect corpses. Corpses resurrect corpses”?

  15. pre-dawn leftist

    The data presented in the report do not support the conclusions they are purported to. Go have a look at the link to Andrew Leigh’s site that Mark provided. His refutation is irrefutable and complete.

    What the data do show is a downward trend in gun related deaths, but since 1996 much less variation – thats because we dont have things like Hoddle street and Port Arthur pushing the numbers up. I’ll give you one guess why we have had no repeats of those evenets.

  16. Christine Keeler

    I’m backing the right to arm bears.

  17. Mark

    What pre-dawn leftist said.

    Andrew has a few more posts up today demonstrating the methodology in the paper is flawed.

  18. Graham Bell

    Honey Bunny:
    That was a very rude post ….. not once did you say “Excuse me” or “Please”.

    Phill:
    Fair crack of the whip. Of course there are gun nuts and ratbags who are nothing but a nuisance and a danger to everyone …. but there are even more responsible people who own/used to own firearms.

  19. Phill

    Phill:
    Fair crack of the whip. Of course there are gun nuts and ratbags who are nothing but a nuisance and a danger to everyone …. but there are even more responsible people who own/used to own firearms

    Graham,who was it he/she i will write and congratulate him/her.

  20. Kim

    John Quiggin reinforces the point that Andrew Leigh has a knockdown refutation of the study:

    http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/26/less-than-zero/

  21. rog

    If you look at the following data, pre buy-back Switzerland had a lower death rate despite having a higher gun ownership than Australia. What does this prove? nothing really, different countries and societies. http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/data/phonebook/queries/guninjuries94.php

    Definitely the gun buy back has reduced the likelihood of massacres and it would be unlikely that the public would support the reintroduction of guns into society. Crims will always be using illegal means to conduct their business but that is a separate issue.

  22. steve at the pub

    Idiots with gung ho attitude in motor cars have always killed more people than do idiots with guns.

    Gun owners are far more knowledgeable about using guns safely than than are motor car owners.

    Most people who comment on guns are abysmilly ignorant of them. At best an anti-gun nut has military experience, & illogically claims this gives them deep insight into everything firearms related, and that it gives them the last word on the matter.

    I have met several anti-gun nuts, & they vary from the simple & naive through to the supremely ignorant.

    Very few are “all there”, just like anyone else with a strong religious belief, doctrine overrides rationality.

    All that aside, how has taking guns from law abiding people helped?

    I find statistics on pistol use, particularly in crime, to be MOST revealing about how effective is gun control.

    I am all for a referendum on firearm ownership.
    We can have it simultaneously with the referendum on capital punishment. Heh heh heh!

  23. Phill

    “Idiots with gung ho attitude in motor cars have always killed more people than do idiots with guns.”

    Stevo,now i know you have this romantic notion about guns, and all that bollicks about taming the (in your case)the wilds of N.S.W. The white man and his overpowering of the nobel savage with his rifle against spears and clubs.Oh Steve you are a class act.So cars kill more people than guns?Um what an astute observation Steve,even a hill billy like me would agree with that.

    But you see Stevo,you can’t drive a gun or rifle,have you tried to cut a nice steak with the barrel of a gun?I suppose in a pinch you could use a rifle for a tyre lever,although i am told a hand gun would probably make a good paper weight.No?

    “Gun owners are far more knowledgeable about using guns safely than than are motor car owners.”

    Now Steve is that motor car owners with or without guns?Im somewhat confused.Now did you know Steve that the very safety aware leader of the opposition in my state W.A.(oh he’s one of yours by the way a conservative)shot his boys thumb off with a rifle recently.Although i will confess Stevo he may have run him over with his golf buggy that would have been much worse.

    Now Steve capital punishment im with you.In fact i would like to see it brought back retrospectivly the Anita Cobby killers would all be on the end of a rope this sunday if i had my way and others of there ilk.But a gun referendum Stevo how much is the bet i will win that standing on my head.

  24. steve at the pub

    You should take your medication more often Phill.

    Please copy & paste where I have ever stated my political beliefs (if any), otherwise swallow your enthusiasm & cease calling me “conservative”.

    A gun referendum I couldn’t care less about.

    It is easy to buy guns, easy to buy any sort of gun I wish, & I will always own anything I wish.

    Gun control, if it had stopped at those hopeless chinese made things would have had very little opposition. Once heirlooms & vermin control tools were taken, decent people got their backs up.

    As a further sign your medication is overdue, you seem to have placed me in NSW?

  25. Phill

    As a further sign your medication is overdue, you seem to have placed me in NSW?

    Where you are in Oz i could care less,just substitute N.S.W. for any state you like.

    “It is easy to buy guns, easy to buy any sort of gun I wish, & I will always own anything I wish”

    Well a statement like that tells me where you are in the gun story. and that’s where you are wrong you can’t buy any gun you like legally and of course this is one trait” CONSERVATIVES” all share isnt it?You don’t like society telling you what you can and can’t do.But fortunately even amoung “CONSERVATIVES” they have the gun lobby sussed.Most sane Australians will remember the rantings of the gun nutters just after Pt Arthur, “Jack Boot Johny” and my favourite “The currency of Blood.So spare me you’ll do as you please routine.Jails are full of people who think Ill do as i please.

  26. steve at the pub

    hmm, written comprehension wasn’t your strong point at school was it phill?

  27. Phill

    I really shouldn’t dignify that remark with a responce after reading your shlock.If you want me to itemise your comprehension i will.

    Suffice to say,a sure way to find out your arguement is bollicks is to wait for the “I don’t know what the fuck i am talking about,but your comprehension skills are fucked.Or another fave “Time for your medication”
    You are pathetic,and have nothing except right wing rhetoric.

    Ummmm what more can i say,except,your pub must be on a tight profit margin?mine host must drink most of the product himself.