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  1. Lord Whats his name

    “As for living, our servants can do that for us.” who said?

    “And as for blowing up the world, well, isn’t that what the americans are for?” If Kingsley Amis didn’t actually say it, well, he damn well should have.

  2. sublime cowgirl

    and their various electronic doodads will break down so regularly that even Dr Who’s sonic screwdriver won’t be able to keep the ships running

    blah blah blah war, fighting, doom etc…

    What you really neglected to tell us is that according to the “queen of clean”, the UV light in Dr Who’s sonic screwdriver (now availbale at ABC shops), is really useful for detecting the perimeter of cat wee when trying to pinpoint the source of those nasty smells.

    Vote One: Shannon Lush to clean up the mess in Iraq.

  3. Mark

    Great post, Robert.

    Who exactly is the deterrent deterring?

    We must not allow such states to threaten our national security, or to deter us and the international community from taking the action required to maintain regional and global security

    Hypothetical states can’t be allowed to deter Britain!

  4. Robert Merkel

    Reasonable question Mark. The cynical view is of course that Labour is doing this because Britain’s withdrawal from the nuclear club would cost them a couple of percent at the polls.

    At a more highminded level, I think a British decision to decnuclearise would raise some geopolitical issues. Notable, if the UK abandoned a nuclear deterrent, certain former Warsaw Pact countries might start feeling a bit anxious about the need for nuclear weapons of their own. Poland, for instance. Or maybe the Baltic countries. Particularly if Russia continues its apparent slide back into authoritarianism and anti-Western sentiment.

  5. Mark

    Yes, but Russia’s military is a wreck. The only circumstances under which it might pose a nuclear threat are:

    (a) through illegal dissemination of nuclear secrets or materials;
    (b) through a completely irrational decision to move beyond rhetorical or economic threats.

    Neither is able to be deterred through nuclear weapons.

  6. Robert Merkel

    Sure, such fears are not particularly rational, at least in the short to medium term.

    However, look at the idiots who think Indonesia represents some kind of military threat to Australia despite the fact that they have no force-projection capabilities whatsoever and won’t for some time.

  7. Bismarck

    Yes, but Russia’s military is a wreck.

    Russia’s military has been a wreck before. It was a shambles in the 1930s. Russia has also proven itself utterly unpredictable at every turn.

  8. Paulus

    “Who exactly is the deterrent deterring?”

    Dunno, Mark. I don’t have a crystal ball that can look forward 50 years. Vanguard will soldier on to 2020. It’s replacement will be in service for around 3 decades thereafter.

    If you can prognosticate the 2050 European security situation with absolute certainty, you are one hell of an analyst, and the Australian Government is in dire need of your services at the moment.

    Russia’s military may be a wreck now, but so was Germany’s in 1919. It improved quite a bit over the following 20 years!

    Great piece, Robert. To answer the question posed in your last para, the challenge must be to continue reducing nuclear arsenals, particularly the still very large US and Russian nuclear forces. There is no need for any nuclear power to have more than a handful of weapons, so long as they are not vulnerable to the possibility of a first strike. But no nuclear power will completely abandon them in the conceivable future.

    There is massive hypocrisy in the NPT set-up, of course, but the international system is not perfect and never will be.

  9. Katz

    From a strictly financial point of view, on a 50-year time horizon, it’s likely to be cheaper to maintain a nuclear military capability at a constant level and on a gradual upgrade path than to abolish it and then face the prospect of re-instating it were the need to arise.

    Quite apart from anything else, there is the intellectual capital cost of allowing military capability and expertise to decay.

    And yes, the British decision is confirmation of the reasonableness of Iran to seek a nuclear deterrent.

  10. Leinad

    C’mon people! Everyone knows Britain’s terrified that if she abandons her nuclear arsenal she’d be wide open to nuclear blackmail from the French…

  11. Liam

    Do you think it occurs to any of the pointyheads that there has just been a successful nuclear terrorist attack in the United States, using sushi as the delivery mechanism, totally undeterred by techamalogical superiorityness or undetectable submarines?
    There’s not much a submarine deterrent can do against a nori roll of mass destruction.

  12. FDB

    Pretty sure that was the UK, but what’s a letter between dog and master allies?

    Good point though. That polony shit is pretty potent. You wouldn’t need much in drinking water at a major event to take out thousands of people weeks later. Scary shit.

  13. Liam

    Quite right. Same rules apply though.

  14. Leinad

    Wasabi Warheads – of course! Thanks Hoges, at last I have a bankable idea weapons system that’ll get me on the military-industrial-catering complex gravytrain!