Ladies do and the gents you know, It’s right by right by wrong you go, And you can’t go to heaven while you carry on so.
And it’s home little gal and do-si-do, And it may be the last time, I don’t know, And oh by gosh and oh by Joe.
Nope, no underlying racism here.
Tamworth City Council voted this week to spurn an offer by the Department of Immigration to resettle the families for fear it could lead to a repetition of the Cronulla riots, said the Mayor, James Treloar.
Cr Treloar told the Herald people were worried that allowing the families to move to Tamworth “could lead to a Cronulla riots-type situation. Ask the people at Cronulla if they want more refugees.”
He added that “of the 12 Sudanese people who live in Tamworth, eight have been before the courts for everything from dangerous driving to rape. These people don’t respect authority … they come from countries where there are outbreaks of TB [tuberculosis] and polio. How can we trust the department to screen those things?”
The council lacked the health services to support the families, he said. Claims that racist elements had guided the vote were “a media beat-up”, he said.
Tamworth and its mayor are to be congratulated for this fine example of the Aussie fair go and mateship, as a result I look forward to this question being placed on the upcoming citizenship pop quiz.
Q. A family of refugees want to move into your city/town/neighbourhood, what do you do?
a) Welcome them with open arms
b) Complain to council
c) Call the health department
d) Get your white hood dry cleaned
Personally I hope they resettle these Sudanese refugees in my neighbourhood of Marrickville/Dulwich Hill where there is a growing and active community of migrants from Africa all of whom have added to the diversity of the area. Tamworth and its mayor are positively un-Australian.
Yes, Pauline really does speak for the people.
Hmmmm, yeah haw, don’t want no darkies moving down here, they might abuse OUR womenfolk before we get the chance to do it, yeah haw.
Yep, blind prejudice is a terrible thing, all right.
had two ‘white’ friends who lived and worked in twangworth for four years & were heavily involved in community stuff – not a nice place, and you’re never a local according to them.
they previously did a couple of years in Dubbo – which they said was v. different and were warmly welcomed etc. Some country towns are just shit holes.
Nooooooooooooooo PC! Don’t bring the Banjoman into this. Bag Kenny and Lee all you like, but leave Mr Earl Scruggs out of it!
I have lots of family in Tamworth and I worked there for a short while. It can be a very closed-minded community.
I have a theory about country centres: the ones with universities are good, the ones without aren’t so good. Orange: meh. Bathurst: much nicer (though not at race time). Tamworth: meh. Armidale: much nicer. Dubbo is improving rapidly, it’s had a uni for about a decade now, but that’s also because it’s slowly sucking the life out of smaller regional towns.
Anyway, I can state 100 percent that no-one in my small home town would welcome Sudanese refugees, despite a local white community that suffers from high rates of driving offenses, domestic violence and so on. It’s okay if white people do it of course.
I can understand why they feel against African immigrants, what with the experience they have had with those already settled there, but I don’t accept it as a positively valid reason for rejecting further immigrants from settling there, and they should pull their heads out.
However, there should be some way to deal with immigrants who are up for serious crimes such as rape/murder/arson/larger drug crimes etc. Obviously, if they are refugees from the Sudan, then it wouldn’t be right to send them back, but some process should be available.
From today’s Northern Daily Leader: http://www.tamworth.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=539742&category=general&m=12&y=2006
You can make your comments to the paper online here: http://www.tamworth.yourguide.com.au/addopinion.asp?class=your say
Dubbo is one of them. Does the name “Gordon Estate” ring a bell?
If anyone involved in the riots and preceding violence wanted to move before the riots (or preceding violence), there would be no questions asked. Rural Australian towns take in a lot of refugees, a lot of them are sponsored by churches and so on.
Would you want the a) Anglo racist mob or b) Lebanese racist mob living near you Phil?
Now be honest. We all saw the “Mosman Line” on the chaser.
Or yesterday’s fish and chip shop proprietor.
There are about 700 Sudanese folk living in Toowoomba – a much bigger town than Tamworth, admittedly, but pretty conservative. All the reports suggest they’re valued by employers, and well regarded by many in the community, with some few lamentable exceptions (fortunately not elected to the City Council).
Stuart Lord notes: “However, there should be some way to deal with immigrants who are up for serious crimes such as rape/murder/arson/larger drug crimes etc.”
There is Stuart – it’s called the Australian legal system. You know – the same one that applies to you and me and every other person living in Australia.
But you didn’t mean that, did you? You meant that there should be some way to run the Sudanese out of town if they’re not fitting in.
thanks christine – good to read from the horse’s mouths…neigh…
& good theory kate, when my very old dog finally doesnt need her crunchies rationed out, i’ll be hitting the road with sprog and making hay in all towns (regional centres) with 2-tier educational institutions as per your advice.
As for the sudanese refugees…. do they peel mangoes with their toes while bouncing kiddies on their knees like our happy pacific island friends? http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-satire-it-just-writes-itself/ Maybe Caroline Overington can apply for this resettlement program for the Woollahra LGA. (Hello Malcolm darling) One in the garden, another in the maid/housekeeper area, & another to the peel the mangoes and bounce the kiddies….and they are free aren’t they?
I dont think Tamworth’s working mums have thought this through at all.
My point Mark Hill, was if two white working family people, who coach kids in footy and swimming etc – didn’t feel particularly welcome – then what hope for Sudanese refugees! Kate who has also lived in Tamworth & has family there – agrees it is a closed minded community.
And you do realise that we all live near the ‘racist cronulla mob’ – they came from everywhere to join in.
As for the Mosman thang – Woollahra likewise had one of the highest intolerance levels in a survey – but dont flatter yourself that they only are intolerant of muslims, my god, any ill-bred poor person isn’t welcome darling, and that might include you. You might be chosen to protect their property in times of strife, as upper working-lower middle class people have always done – but dont expect an invite to the Point Piper pile anytime soon. (They do however like to have some funny intelligent arty types who are often lefties, to provide a mix and some colour….I only go for the exquisite food and grog – I swear.)
What Mark is talking about is the same thing I am getting to, that rural or non-metropolitan areas are quite willing to take in refugees and migrants.
Finally, I have an excuse other than “country music sucks ” to never darken Tamworth’s door.*
Thomasr
*perhaps darkening their door was not the best descrption I cousl come up with.
I give you fair warning. If anyone tries to drag me into this, I swear I’ll screatch your eyes out.
They are a lucky bunch in Tamworth to have a mayor like James Treloar . He was quoted this morning on Auntys AM talking of the Sudanese refugees……..
” Oh, a different understanding of law enforcement, a different response to authority. They are very nervous people, they tend not to want to give out their name, they find it difficult to assimilate into our community because they have a fear of authority, they are used to authority being something that comes and harasses and tortures them.
You know, even when they want to come and play soccer they are very happy playing with a soccer team, but when they had to give their name and address, they wanted to withdraw. ”
Gee, who would have thought that and all that fear. Tamworth authority figures, when their not wearing the pointy white hats, are a relaxed and cool bunch that you should feel really relaxed with. Just hand over your name and address, like we all do. No way would they harass you ! Yes, right major.
Sudanese Lament (Traditional)
It’s fearsome at home with your kindred and all,
By the campfire at night when Janjaweed call.
But nothing’s so lonesome, morbid or drear
Than Tamworth City Council whipping up fear.
Mondo Rock – well, if non citizens do commit serious crimes, we should deport them back to their country of origin, assuming it is possible to do so. If they are citizens, then yes, the Australian legal system is the way to deal with criminality, but for non citizens, deportation seems the best option.
“As for the Mosman thang – Woollahra likewise had one of the highest intolerance levels in a survey – but dont flatter yourself that they only are intolerant of muslims, my god, any ill-bred poor person isn’t welcome darling, and that might include you.”
That was precisely the point Jo.
I don’t know if this is what you mean, Stuart, but your comment implies that these non citizens should be deported before their guilt is proved – that’s the implication of an alternative to the “Australian legal system”…
The real problem with race relations in america today is not racism.
A new problem has emerged as the prevalence and vigor of racism has diminished.
I started a blog yesterday to discuss this problem.
http://holdingusback.wordpress.com/
That’s nice, larry, but this thread is not about race relations in America.
No, Kim, I mean deportation after conviction of serious crimes, rather than imprisonment/etc.
You mean like the Serbian guy who’s never even lived there?
The Serbian Guy who lived in Oz for 36-odd years, most of that spent gathering extensive criminal form, and never took out citizenship?
Exactly like him.
Rather than just blindly spouting accusations of racism, shouldn’t you be examining why such a divisive social policy is being forced onto resistant populations?
In this case the mayor cited previous negative experiences with Sudanese, both cultural and criminal, as the major concern. I have no more information on the matter than what I’ve read in the media, but I ask why do you expect Tamworth residents to be tolerant of your ideology and turn around and accept what they’ve learnt to reject, yet you’re intolerant of their point of view? After all, they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences of what you (collectively liberals) are pressuring for. You sound more authoritarian than tolerant.
Perhaps a pragmatic lesson could be learnt from settling all humanitarian arrivals in the leafier suburbs of Canberra, so that in a few years those who make the bureaucratic decisions that impact communities across the rest of the country could learn in detail their consequences, and calibrate policies accordingly; – in place of the current ‘wear it or you’re a racist’ jackboot approach.
A humanitarian immigration intake is high-minded and progressive. But how much more high-minded would it be to comprehensively address your fellow citizens’ concerns first?
Ross, what ideology? It’s a position and perspective which comes from living in one of the most multicultural communities in Australia.
I’m not exactly sure what Tamworth has to be afraid of. Anyway it wouldn’t be anything that hasn’t been experienced in other towns and cities that have embraced migrant/refugee populations.
It’s called change.
Lastly, something tells me that Australians are pretty well taken care of, we’re rich, it’s the least we can do to help.
“That’s nice, larry, but this thread is not about race relations in America.”
No it isn’t but it might be a very good insight into what’s in store for Australia, by importing such ‘black’ culture here. Certainly the mayor of Tamworth has noticed some troubling signs among the Sudanese already there. He also points out some similar troubling signs in Cronulla, when radically different cultures are forced upon one another. There’s no doubt these are unpleasant facts for some to swallow here, albeit they want the good folk of Tamworth to do all the swallowing. How morally uplifting that must feel.
There is always a double standard among the usual suspects here. OTOH they will support aboriginal communities to try and maintain their culture and traditions, but when some Tamworth residents want to maintain theirs, the magnanimity suddenly evaporates and the R word is trotted about. What sheer hypocrisy.
Phil, it’s clear that the mayor isn’t speaking for all the citizens — any more than mayors usually do. (Though I must say I think he has one good point: that the Feds won’t provide adequate services to support refugees.) I saw a report on SBS news tonight, with voxpop, featuring assorted locals in the street who all said they thought it was mean and/or racist and/or simpleminded not to accept the Sudanese refugees. There was also a cop who was indignant that they weren’t accepting them, and a Sudanese resident who said he was very happy there and that everyone was nice to him.
And SBS, I would have thought, has no reason to spin such a report.
Jaysus!
How Australian is the desire to go to the bloody beach, obs? There isn’t one in Lakemba, old china.
Integrating extremely diverse cultures is hard work. Our Sudanese friends are lovely, but there is much to be done until they are self sufficient. We do our best, but have the advantage of a relatively (compared to Tamworth) large city’s resources behind us.
I don’t think it would either the Sudanese or the rural community to force the new arrivals into a situation where the support resources are over-extended.
Where are you from, PeterTB?
“No it isn’t but it might be a very good insight into what’s in store for Australia, by importing such ‘black’ culture here…”
Er, obs, I hate to break the bad news, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians
When I was still at school a few years ago, it was popular among many students who came from the Southern Asian. It’s sort of a mix between Wog culture and Black culture though.
Mark – Canberra
Why import more ”problems” than we have already. Its time to realize multiculturalism does not work. Australia as a whole should have looked at other countries problems with immigrants, and stopped immigration years ago.
Apart from the Chinese, every other nationality comes here wants to change our way of life. Enough is enough. Am I a racist, probably, as are 99 percent of the worlds population. Tamworth, you’re right. Don’t talk about it, do it.
Point of information for Obby and his lefty-hating, alarmist friends:
1. The Tamworth Council is opposed to a Howard Government initiative.
2. The Immigration Dept is offering to settle these Sudanese, not dictating their settlement.
3. These Sudanese are already resident in Australia.
4. If individually and severally these Sudanese decided to move to Tamworth to settle, would you join the lynch mob to drive them out of town?
Point of information for Sudanese persons contemplating settlement in Tamworth:
1. Tamworth is home to no more frightened, narrow idiots than any other rural town of similar size.
2. The attitudes of Tamworth residents are no more retroregressive and ill-informed than you would expect them to be given their ignorance of the world.
3. The residents of Tamworth are likely to be correct that they can keep unwelcome persons out of Tamworth because very few people who know anything about Tamworth would wish to live in Tamworth. It would be prudent to allow Tamworth to die in peace.
4. Why would you want to live in Tamworth?
Apart from the Chinese? How times change. Remember when we were going to be swamped by Asians?
“Er, obs, I hate to break the bad news, but..”
True but you might want to ask the existing black culture if they want some more ‘bruvvers’ muscling in on their patch. I have a feeling LPers mightn’t like the answer to that one. Anyhow, leafy Canberra sounds the perfect place to du.. err integrate these new citizens into Australian society. And imagine if some of them were gay as well? Positively titillating, the thought of having a gay Sudanese refugee at one’s next Canberra soiree. They might even be able to play an obscure African instrument to boot.
Don’t get too excited, obs. Tiddles is reading.
I thought all these country towns were screaming out for renewal, scared of dying, sick of being ignored by cityfolk, annoyed about draining people back to the city, and looking to increase poulation size to allow local businesses to expand. So what is their problem?
Interesting..Is it just me but besides general abuse here for the people of Tamworth then the general trend is the people of Tamworth should just do as every here thinks they should and bugger what they want. Perhaps they like things the way they are.
Seems to me, if the people of Tamworth reckon their mayor is a dill then they can vote him out at the next election.
“The attitudes of
Tamworth ResidentsSudanese Refugees are no more retroregressive and ill-informed than you would expect them to be given their ignorance of the world”My point precisely Oigal. Thank you for stating it so succinctly.
Shorter Ross and Observa: I’m not racist, but…
I had thought that one of the few positve stories in the whole sorry tale of refugees in Howard’s Australia had been the way that some rural communities like Shepparton had stood up and welcomed refugee communities.
It is unfortunate that this attitude is not more widepsread.
Perhaps MartinB should look a little more closely into why the folks of Tamworth aren’t univsersally enthralled at having more Sudanese inflicted upon them.
Clue for you MartinB, investigate what proportion of refugees in Shepparton have been charged with rape of a local girl, & what proportion of refugees in Shepparton are going to work, indeed, investigate what proportion of refugees in Shepparton have broken ANY laws.
Martin B , compassionate attitudes are guided a lot by employment needs. When employers needed cheap workers to pick fruit in Shep. the acceptance soon followed. These guys would have had the ear of council, if not councillors themselves, and provided the leadership. No shortage of country and western singers that I know of, and not good for Sudanese in Tamworth, sadly.
The only hope for that region and refugees is the whiff of bad publicity that no tourist town needs or a Slim Salih who wins their tough hearts and gets them humming along.
I remember Suzie Quatro being run outa town by the coucilc cica 1977,( never did get my money back for the concert.) Hey leave me old home town alone: it doesn’t have a racial problem never did as I recall, just little village called vegemite village, just over the track on the way to the airport, full of abos I think they called them. They might shine a little (holy night) light on racial problems for the town a a quick historic cultual reference. Seems the council is not gunna let Peel Street become Devil Gate Drive after all.
So because one Sudanese has been charged with a sexual assault, some citizens of Tamworth expect that other Sudanese will behave like this, and the councillors of Tamworth feel that this point of view is a valid one to represent. But they aren’t being racist…
(And of course let’s not worry about comparing the rate of sexual assaults amongst the entire Tamworth community to those of the big bad city.)
Joe2: Obviously I understand that demand for labour is a major factor, and I would have to confess ignorance about the Tamworth economy overall. But the point was made above that normally regional areas are crying out for population and infrastructure development. With a bit of principled leadership they could have worked on both of these.
Using SATP’s logic, the Tamworth Council should seek to exclude all males from Tamworth because 100% of Tamworth’s rapists are male.
See how silly collective punishment is?
Silly or not Katz, that is quite possibly how some people in Tamworth see it. BTW, it is not my logic, but a guess at the logic of some Tamworth people.
You are of course going over the top. Several males could be excluded from the list of potential rapists. It is possible that none of the following have been charged with rape in Tamworth: Males who own farms, who have white collar jobs in the city council, who have professional qualifications, who were born in Tamworth, who have held the same job for more than 10 years, who are married, who have blue eyes, & so on.
You do rather tend to use lawyerisms, rather than logic.
Don’t know of the Tamworth people are being racist or not MartinB, but you have probably put your finger right on their reasoning. Ever thought, when rushing to use the “R” word, that perhaps it is incidental that the unwanted are of a different race to most of Tamworth?
SATP, it is possible than none of the following categories of Sudanese males has ever commited rape in Tamworth: and should therefore be exempted from collective punishment.
Left handed Sudanese males.
Sudanese males whose height is an even number when measured in centimetres.
Sudanese males born on a Tuesday.
etc.
Your illogic is still silly.
One of my work mates said that the proposal put by Department of Immigration was for an intensive programme, which would begin with a small number, but would grow to dozens of families each year, for at least 10 years. This would mean a major reorientation of the demographics of the town.
Does anyone know if that’s the case?
If it is, it does put a different flavour on the debate and makes the folks seem a little bit less redneck than they are currently portrayed.
It is possible under some circumstances for women to be convicted of rape, Katz. Perhaps the Tamworth Council should throw the whole population out just to be on the safe side.
Lynn, I see what you’re trying to say and I’ll chuck it through the empathometer-
Dozens of families
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I dunno maybe it’s a black thing
Katz: If you want to see sillyness, look in a mirror.
It is not my logic I was posting, but an attempt to understand the reasoning of some of the Tamworth citizenry.
If there is something to what Lynn White posted, then one can easily imagine the inherent xenophobia coming to the fore with a segment of the townsfolk.
Katz: The horn of africa types are obviously unwanted in Tamworth. This is your big chance. Is your yard/street large enough to fit them all?
Do they really only have one street in Tamworth SATP?
Oh sorry I’ve got it now, it’s a well-how-would-you-like-it-if-they-moved-into-your-street-hey?-hey? type thing, isn’t it?
Fine? No problem? They already do?
Help me here folks.
Yeap, one street, one pub, one copper, one store, one horse. Them hayseed towns is all the same Anthony. Why I don’t know why people would want to live there…. come to think of it, perhaps they don’t, I certainly don’t, coz it is too far south, the trees & fauna speak “cold weather” in a very loud voice, but I am only one, & tend to be quite subjective about the south of this continent.
Point of information SATP. The Sudan isn’t really in the Horn of Africa. I grant you that the Sudan is adjacent to the Horn of Africa, but not really in it.
Is it the horn thing that gets you so worked up?
I can’t speak for Sudanese, but in the very southern neck of the woods I shiveringly call home there are many Somalis resident, who very definitely do come from the Horn of Africa.
Somalis make up just one thread in the many-hued fabric of my neighbourhood. I won’t frighten you with a lengthy list of the other folk who live in my street and in nearby streets. And amazingly, despite this crime against nature, the sun still struggles over the horizon each morning to cast a baleful light on the collective moral depravity of our cohabiting in a spirit of live and let live.
Pauline Hanson hates Melbourne in general, but her brain would explode if she ever visited my little neighbourhoood.
Anthony, if you add a dozen families a year for 10 years you end up with 120 families, but dozens means you could have several hundred families. And family in refugee resettlement programmes doesn’t just mean mum, dad and little ‘uns. It means rellies too, so if we say 4 people to a family, we are getting up into the thousands. In a town the size of Tamworth, that’s going to represent a significant shift in demographics, isn’t it, especially over time, as those families grow? Tamworth isn’t a one-horse town – it’s got a magnificent main street and substantial urban development but it’s still not huge – in fact, I looked it up just now on Wikipedia and apparently the entire shire has a population of 37,000.
I wasn’t suggesting that I had a problem with it, just asking if that was what we were talking about, rather than the media impression that this is banning a couple of Sudanese from moving to the town. If that is what we are talking about, it’s understandable that the councillors would baulk at it, even if the expression of their reservations was a little coarse.
Don’t see the relevance of Pauline Hanson Katz, although I do have to wonder why anybody would want to live in Melbourne in the first place.
Had a good yarn this morning to one of the staff who hails from Tamworth & worked in pubs there. He hasn’t been there for several months, & like most doesn’t read/listen/watch news bulletins, thus is totally unaware of any furore over Tamworth’s rejection of any Sudanese.
However after his answer I have gone from ambivalence siding toward thinking Tamworth needs its collective bum kicked, to fully understanding why people there would not want any more Sudanese (or anything like it) refugees inflicted upon them.
It may transpire that the both the numbers of Sudanese & the public disorder commited by them has been very much understated.
By the way, it’s not a colour thing necessarily. I’ve spent time in New York, where there are significant clashes between locally born Afro-Americans and the newly arrived Africans – and that’s in a city where movements of people are more commonplace. Any large group arriving en masse in a settled community causes displacement and anxiety, but particularly in the country.
Look, I think Tamworth’s council did the wrong thing, but it’s worth understanding why they did what they did.
So 8 out of 12 have been charged with offences, rape being the most serious. That does sound pretty bad. But there are two sides to this. I wonder why the mayor went for ‘charged’ and not ‘convicted.’ Are all the trails still in progress? Or are there other factors involved (discrimination and overzealous policing.) I live just down the road in Armidale and I have anecdotal evidence to suggest that the Sudanese refugees here (wonderful people, the ones ive met) do get hassled more than most.
Obby will no doubt pop in to tell us that these are but the joys of multiculturalism! However from my experience the attitude problem lies mostly on the side of rural australians. Racism? Well, i gotta say i was a bit concerned when the Tamworth Mayor suggested we should ask the residents of Cronulla whether they want more immigrants. As well as ignoring recent positive developments in the shire, if Cronulla Beaches White pride mob are their touchstone….
Lynn
I think we’re dancing around the line of understanding and understandable.
Lets say 300 families, five each, over 10 years. That’s 1500 extra people, which all things being equal, is a 5% change in population. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
But more’s the point, what they actually rejected was a one year trial with five families.
Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve
Wrong person for the ‘you city folk just don’t understand’ routine amigo. Grew near a town of 20 in the here-be-dragons part of Western Australia, father’s a wheat and sheep farmer and town councillor, in-laws manage a 35,000 acre wheat farm, best friend’s a rural GP, and I spend my time writing about regional food producers.
But anyway if you want to be the misunderstood man on the
landtown, here’s a hanky.[hanky]
Yes Anthony, some of my best friends are jewish too.
I live in tamworth and have on and off for many years and i find Mayor Treloars discription “media beat-up” and understatement. Yes the majority agrees with him, no we are not racist, just ask the many other immigrants from impoverished nations in town who have gone on to become successful business owners and pillars of our community, but you have to draw a line somewhere. Our town has an ever increasing employment problem, severe lack of health services and so little water to sustain us that we risk running out in the immediate future. “But it’s only five familys a year” i hear you say, i say how big are these familys?, and how many years are we going to take them in?, till the’res no Jobs, Housing, Hospital beds or water for us and our children. Wake-up Australia, “Racist” a word easily used but seldom understood by journo’s and editors worldwide.
Yes, actually, you are.
There is racism & xenophobia aplenty in all parts of society, from high level boardrooms and university faculty right through to dole recipients & single mothers.
However there is more to the Tamworth decision than an irrational dislike of the skin colour of the proposed new residents of the town.
There is the behaviour & the perception of the behaviour, of existing residents who are of (or perceived to be of) the same tribe.
There is? But what, pray tell?
Oh, right.
You mean racism.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Bill Posters, you seem to have a fixation with racism.
Some have a fixation for whips, others for certain toys, & so on.
You have a problem with a bit of fair dinkum racism?
I’m not sure what definition of ‘racism’ SATP is using.
Stereotyping the behaviour of people on the basis of their ethnicity. especially when such sterotyping is of a negative kind, seems to me to be dictionary definition of ‘racism’.
SATP:
Ceratinly is. Especially if you’re Sudanese.
Trav
So all resettlement is out? Tamworth’s locking the town gates? Damn, the business council’s really gonna be up in arms over that. Or are you guys going to institute some sort of racial/cultural/religious preferencing system?
Bill’s right.
Yes Anthony, some of my best friends are jewish too.
That’s your comeback?
My god
what
a
bonehead
Only place you will see a bonehead is in the mirror Anthony.
Only two Steves posted on this thread. Neither of them used the “you city folks don’t understand”.
Either you are on the wrong thread, or are a bonehead.
Maybe it’s time for this thread to be closed if all that’s left is boneheaded comments? Stop it! It’s festivus for Flying spaghetti monster sake!
Anyone else got anything relevant to say?