Today brings another of those MSM v bloggers moments. Itâs bloody irritating to find myself obliged to tug the forelock to Mr Big-Shot Age Legal Affairs Reporter, Kenneth Nguyen, for this report on page four of the Saturday Age:
Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has denied a report in The Age that said the Federal Government planned to stop recognition of adoptions of foreign children by same-sex couplesâ¦
According to Ruddockâs letter to The Age:
It is wrong to say that adoptions of foreign children by same-sex couples will not be recognised in Australia (The Age, 2/2). In fact, The Age was advised before publication that âif same-sex couples wanted to go overseas and adopt in compliance with the laws of that country, we would not stop them from doing that. However they are not allowed to use the Governmentâs inter country adoption program. None of the countries with which we have an agreement permits same-sex couples to adopt.â?
If none of the countries with which Australia has agreements for inter-country adoption permits adoption by same-sex couples, then this piece of proposed legislation is unnecessary:
Family Law (Same Sex Adoption) Bill
– amend the Family Law Act 1975 to indicate that adoptions by same sex couples of children from overseas under either bilateral or multilateral arrangements will not be recognised in Australia
I think Iâll have to take a look at the draft bill as soon as itâs available. Thereâs a hint of something a bit too clean-shaven in the Attorney-Generalâs letter.
There is a sleight of hand in that.
Not recognising someone as an adoptive parent is different from stopping them from going overseas to adopt. Of course the government can’t stop anyone from going overseas to adopt (or do anything else, like get married.) But they can pass a law which would refuse to recognise such an adoption in Australia, just like they currently refuse to recognise the gay marriages performed in countries like Canada.
It’s true too that many of the countries which are sources of adoption eg China, don’t allow same-sex adoption. Some countries and even some US states eg Texas, do. Some Australian states allow a same-sex partner to adopt the child of their partner. Presumably, some couples (we’re probably talking about six people here, not worth the lawyers’ fees to draft these bills, but worth gold to a government which likes to manipulate prejudice) try to play all these systems so that both partners end up as adoptive parents. My bet is that it’s this which the government will try to close loopholes on.
Ok, so if the federal law is passed, could that be used to mount an inconsistency challenge against any ACT/NT laws that allow a same-sex partner to adopt the child of their partner…?
Probably not, as there is specific reference to adoptions from overseas.
Just got me thinking, that’s all.
I was just thinking this morning that Kenneth Nguyen is the best thing The Age has had for, well, ages.
I’m still trying to grasp the distinction between not recognising overseas adoptions, and preventing access to “the Government’s inter country adoption program.”
Is this about not recognising the adoptive parents as parents for the purpose of immigration? In this instance, the infant would be independently trying to get an Australian residence visa, for which it is not legally able to apply.
Yet another catch-22.
In the absence of any close relative wanting to adopt, only vetted, married heterosexual couples should be able to adopt here or overseas. Otherwise you could have all sorts of ridiculous and dangerous scenarios. As for poofters adopting from third world countries, spare us the usual drivel.
Well obby, if you want LP to become a drivel free zone there’s one very obvious step you can take …
Gummo, you start down this slippery slope of run with what ya brung parenting and soggy headed left liberals are gunna end up with the same dramas their infatuation with the Dreamtime has produced. I don’t want a couple of 25 yr old poofters adopting some young boys from a Sudanese refugee camp, anymore than I want a business club full of 50 yr old divorced males wanting to adopt a bunch of nubile Phillipino 13 year old girls. Ditto for clubs full of lesbians. People who believe marriage is anything you feel like, with however many you like, naturally lean toward the unnatural (IVF for lesbians) and the bizarre with adoption. They’re dangerously delusional and should be opposed at every slip and slide.
observa
…interesting thought. And is IVF unnatural per se or only for lesbians?
Would you rephrase that, its meaning is not at all clear.
Please allow me to elucidate Observa’s somewhat recondite, ah, observation, AML. His position is that of a vulgar Straussian, which holds that value-free aimlessness and hedonism that permeates the fabric of contemporary society – together with its attendant relativism, scientism, historicism, and nihilism – are all implicated in the deterioration of the fabric of society. Hence the slippery slope.
“value-free aimlessness and hedonism that permeates the fabric of contemporary society – together with its attendant relativism, scientism, historicism, and nihilism – are all implicated in the deterioration of the fabric of society.”
Well, I reckon ibn-Khaldun would have concurred. So, probably, would a bloke like Tacitus. How’s that for your multicultural diversity one-stop-shopping needs?
Actually, what I think Obs is saying is that he enjoys thinking about those things that fill him with horror. He’s a weird dude after all.
Scratch a left liberal gaia and you’ll eventually come up with their true unnatural self. Having kids naturally takes a mum and a dad, but hey some pairs can’t have em so that’s not fair the gummint orta do sumpink about it and so sponsored IVF. Hey and some don’t want em so the gummint orta sponsor that too and hells bells what if they’re not a boy and a girl, that’s not fair and so what about IVF for the sads who can’t be and so why can’t a bloke marry 3 sheilas or football teams get married or Hindus marry cobras or trees or whatever… Ditto with adoption. Hey you know it makes sense just like the Dreamtime and the lost generation builds fascinatingly interesting social problems for endless theses to be written about. Let’s all be free and natural and one day we’ll all be able to select our perfect offspring and naturally when noone wants retards or poofters the gummint can sponsor that too and we’ll all be happy……
And of course these are the people who freak out at mere thought of genetic manipulation of their food. Sheesh!
Where’s Tiddles when we need sensible comments?
“Actually, what I think Obs is saying is that he enjoys thinking about those things that fill him with horror. He’s a weird dude after all.”
My 19yr old daughter has to have a police clearance to coach a Primary School netball team with parents present Mark, so I’m understandably a little skeptical of free for all adoptions by unnatural parenting combos. That’s where community standards are at today in case you’re not up to pace.
I bet obby’s family, acquaintances, workplace habitues and the all regulars down his local are pretty damn glad he discovered blogging.
“That bloke talking to his beer? No don’t look now. If you catch his eye he’ll be whipping out all these bloody newspaper clippings about sex with animals again.”
There’s a cheaper alternative to drugs Obby. It’s called deep breathing. Try a couple of deep breaths before you type and we might understand some of what you are trying to communicate.
“My 19yr old daughter has to have a police clearance to coach a Primary School netball team with parents present Mark, so I’m understandably a little skeptical of free for all adoptions by unnatural parenting combos.”
Perhaps the authorities were concerned by the alarmingly expanding incidence of primary school netball matches being rudely interrupted by herpetofauna humping Hindus.
Y’know obby, it takes more and more work to make ancillary fun of you these days. You’ve pretty much cornered the market on the original premise.
You wouldn’t expect the soggy headed, left, liberal generation that are responsible for the ‘lost generation’ to cotton on. It’s anything goes and Rainbow Serpent Dreaming if it suits yer. Trouble is their liberal progressive dream of anything goes, is a failed nightmare. Mike Rann has finally admitted as much. All Rann’s horses and all his men (the sociologists and social worker products of our leftist liberal tertiary sector over the years)can’t put their vision splendid together again. Mind you the Mayor of Pt Augusta Joy Baluch warned them of such impending disaster 20 years ago, but no matter. 20 years on and what’s the answer from the combined neurons of Ranndom? Let me quote you from the front page of yesterday’s Advertiser-
” Catholic Vicar-General David Cappo will meet 5 families at the centre of a notorious aboriginal gang in an attempt to stop an escalating crime spree. Monsignor Cappo has been asked by the State Govt todevelop a plan to address issues surrounding Aboriginal youth crime and his main focus will be young offenders targeted by the police force’s Operation Mandrake.
But he concedes the job will be difficult and ‘we’re going to have to go back to the drawing board’. [You all got that bit?]
The 49 Mandrake targets , mainly youths from the NW suburbs are responsible for hundreds of crimes over the past few years, including violent home invasions and high speed chases.”
Well there you have it lefties. Back to the missionaries and their white picket fence Judeo-Christian values for the answers. And you lot want to carry on with your brave new university inspired, liberal progressive, wet dreams about the building blocks of society. Rainbow Serpent Dreamtiming is dead dickheads. We simply can’t afford the social costs.
Obby’s a weird dude in most of the known universe.
But is he weird in Adelaide?
I don’t know Katz but then again, I couldn’t be bothered reading all of his tripe.
Obs, next time just write homos = pedos.
It’ll be quicker for you, and I reckon you can spell it OK. Or you have my permission to cut and paste the above statement if you think that might be more successful.