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16 responses to “Debnam concedes”

  1. David Jackmanson

    Maybe it was the disturbingly watchable “In The Navy Liberals” ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkfL6PcKA98 that made him realise it was all over.

    Has this actually been on TV, or is it a YouTube only thing?

  2. Jack Strocchi

    Shaun Cronin says:


    So with the Libs about to rollover that leaves us time to chuckle over the loony fringe like the the Reverend Fred Nile deciding that he wants to halt Muslim immigration into NSW.

    Skepticism about the level of Muslim immigration does not come just come from the “loony fringe”. The SMH reports Professor Israeli, an expert on Islamic history from Hebrew University in Jerusalem, suggests the when the Muslim population reaches critical mass a tipping point towards social unrest occurs:


    “When the Muslim population gets to a critical mass you have problems. That is a general rule, so if it applies everywhere it applies in Australia.”

    “Where there are large Muslim populations who are prepared to use violence you are in trouble. If there is only 1 or 2 per cent they don’t dare to do it – they don’t have the backing of big communities. They know they are drowned in the environment of non-Muslims and are better behaved.”

    He said Muslim immigrants had a reputation for manipulating the values of Western countries, taking advantage of their hospitality and tolerance.

    In Australia, Muslims account for about 1.5 per cent of the population.

    Professor Israeli said that when the Muslim population increased, so did the risk of violence.

    Professor Israeli said that in France, which has the highest proportion of Muslims in Europe at about 10 per cent, it was already too late. There were regions even the police were scared to enter,

    THe professor is correct to say that “size matters” when talking about countries that accept large nnumbers of culturally diverse immigrants without taking proper steps to ensure integration.

    Personally I think he is wrong to point the finger at Muslims per se. The problem lies with uncivilised immigrants coming from pre-modern tribalist areas, who are prone to adopt fundamentalist Islam when confronted with post-modern globalism. This is really the old problem of town versus country replayed on a global scale.

    The solution is to only accept immigrants who have high IQ and accept modernist norms.Thus well-educated moderate Muslims from metropolitan cities in places like Turkey and Malaya will likely make the cut.

  3. Sacha

    Didn’t Fred say something similarly odd last election? It’s probably just a flag to remind potential voters that the CDP’s still around.

  4. Spiros

    Back in the mid 80s, Fred said that homosexuals should be banned from NSW beaches. so that they could be “AIDS-free zones”/

    How so? Because mosquitoes might sting the homosexuals as they were sunbaking, draw HIV-infected blood, and then sting and infect other (heterosexual) people on the beach.

    With Fred Nile, the lyrics change, but The Song Remains The Same.

  5. Chris

    Hasn’t been on TV DJ. This is where it comes from.

  6. joe2

    Jack Strocchi I have to be frist to say.. “Prof Israeli would say that”.

    This pickin’ and choosin’ you do worries me, too.
    “The solution is to only accept immigrants who have high IQ and accept modernist norms”.

    These “modernist norms” you talk about are tearing the suburbs apart. With berets, saabs and 60′s houses they are causing chaos. If only they had never encouraged Norm to get off the couch.

  7. LonelyDemocrat

    This is a perfect chance for people to send a message to the majors and vote for a third party like the Democrats, Greens or even one of the Right Wing ones. Face it, both state Labor and Liberals need a good kick up the pants.

  8. Katz

    What does the Rev Fred propose to do with the 1,000 Aboriginal converts to Islam?

  9. Andrew E

    First, it’s interesting that Nile has given up attacking the Mardi Gras and has now turned on the Muslims. Extending the Defacto Relationships Act to gay couples could be closer than you think.

    Second, the story Shaun cites is the problem with goldfish-bowl political reporting: this is what the Libs have done for the last three elections. Between elections, you send a message: at elections you make a decision. At each of the past three elections the decision has been: cheer up, it could be worse.

    Politicians love to claim to be the underdog, but now that Debnam is clearly in that position he’s starting to look desperate. Debnam getting snarly recalls John Hewson losing it in ’93 – but it’s not all down to him. It’s amazing that State Liberal leaders actually listen to people from Howard’s office, because Howard explicitly does not want Liberal governments at the state level drawing campaign funds, limelight and power away from himself.

  10. arleeshar

    Has this actually been on TV, or is it a YouTube only thing?

    I thought it was net only too, but the SMH had this in-depth “debnam the man” piece] in its saturday edition which mentioned that the reporter actually sat in the lounge room with the debnam family and watched their reactions as the “in the navy” ad flashed across the screen.

  11. David Jackmanson

    Thanks for that arleeshar…the article points me to debnamrecord.com which has it listed as a TV ad. I’ve watched it 5 or 6 times already.

    I NEVER watch political ads 5 or 6 times. This one is actually funny.

  12. Chris

    Apologies. I live in a safe seat, and have seem all the “don’t risk him” ads on telly but not the song, although I would certainly like to.

  13. David Jackmanson

    We’ll overlook it this time Chris, but if it happens again you’ll be tied down in the comfy chair while every single speech the Prime Minister has ever made is played at you.

    I’m a cruel man, but fair.

  14. Bill Posters

    Jack Strocchi:

    The SMH reports Professor Israeli, an expert on Islamic history from Hebrew University in Jerusalem

    Gee, this wouldn’t happen to be the same Professor Israeli who was dumped by the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council for his “unacceptable and unhelpful” remarks, would it?

    Israeli is a racist eliminationist; the very personification of the “loony fringe”.

  15. FDB

    Methinks the loony fringe gets in Jack’s eyes occasionally.

  16. Frank Calabrese

    From the latest ABC Media Release

    ABC 2
    For those viewers outside NSW, wherever you are in Australia, ABC2 will be broadcasting the election coverage from the tally room from 6.30pm (local time all states).

    ABC2 is the ABC’s Free To Air Digital Channel which can be recieved by the purchase of a Set Top Box, which are realiy available for under $100 from the major retail emporiums.

    Which is good news for us political Junkies in WA etc :-)