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  1. David Rubie

    If implemented effectively, federal Labor’s plan would provide same-sex couples with all the same entitlements, rights and responsibilities as heterosexual de facto couples. Ludwig made clear he would not prevent same-sex couples from holding ceremonies in which they made their commitment public. He also specified that same-sex families would not be treated any differently

    For the moment, that’s all that’s necessary isn’t it? If you want to start stirring up the religious groups with talks of “marriage” (it’s a specifically religious term to them), the whole thing will end up in the too hard basket. We’ve had 11 years of conservatism, it might be better to start out walking than break into a sprint at the first opportunity. Remember, the “uglies” are just as prevalent in the right of the Labor party as they are in the right of the Liberals, and perhaps more influential (excepting NSW).

  2. Sam

    For the moment David, yes – but even as a compromise model designed for walking rather than sprinting, it sets up a whole bunch of hurdles that could easily be avoided with a comprehensive federal policy of civil unions or partnerships instead of waiting for the states to act. No mention of the M word, no obligation for churches to solemnise s-s couples. Everybody wins.

    I suspect you’re right however, that this is as much about appeasing Labor’s internal uglies as it is avoiding the perception by swinging conservative voters and a hostile media commentariat that Labor is ‘soft’ on teh gay.

  3. suz

    Sam, do you know if these civil partnerships would be open to heterosexuals too?

  4. arleeshar

    as an aside, surely it’s fairly clear by now that Ludwig won’t ever be AG, regardless of whether his party wins election?

  5. Sam

    It would depend on the eventual model adopted, suz. The UK CP model for example is only available to s-s couples, but in New Zealand civil unions are available for heterosexual couples as well.

    From memory, Ludwig argued that it would be unconstitutional for the Commonwealth to legislate for registries, hence offloading to the state, but federally Labor could of course legislate for unions or partnerships if it so chose.

  6. woulfe

    The same scenario goes in a different direction.

    If your Labor Reps / Labor-Green-Democrat Senate gets up, they can do what they like. With the justification that coordinating the states is simply too hard, they will be able to put up their Commonwealth scheme of choice. With 71% of the population in support of same-sex relationship recognition, the voices claiming that they are exceeding their mandate will be drowned out.

    de Bruyn and his homophobic mates get boo-ed at Labor gatherings now – I can’t imagine that they’ll suddenly become popular if Labor achieves government.

    How much of Labor’s current policy is just window-dressing? How much of it is simply a placeholder for a real, achievable arrangement should they get a working majority in the Senate? Alternately, to what extent is it deliberately unworkable, so that they can walk away from it should they have to work with a hostile Senate?

  7. Alexm

    The federal government can only legislate on marriage by virtue of a provision in the Constitution which gives it power in relation to “matrimonial causes”. With the current composition of the High Court (and the likely composition well into the future given the number of Howard government appointees) it’s unlikely that the constitution would be interpreted to include same sex partnerships in the category of “matrimonial causes”. The extension of the Family Court powers to cover children of de facto couples (rather than hose legally “married”) was, I think, only made possible by referral of state powers or parallel state legislation which has conferred state jurisdiction on the Family Court.
    In the light of this, the only realistic medium term hope for registering same sex partnerships would be either state based legislation or referral of state powers to the commonwealth. No doubt the Commonwealth could actually operate a register, but it would be relying on state legislative backing.
    I think that’s probably why the focus is on removing all discrimination in federal legislation which treats conventional “marriage” relationships differently from others.

  8. David Rogers (Doesn't everyone?)

    It’s time—to hold hands!

    As much as I love a good election, I confess I’m not the least bit excited by the two leading suitors for my favours at this year’s Miss Your Federal Representative 2007.

    On the one hand there’s John. Poor devil. He’s wicked—and don’t we all know, even like that at times—but he does so keep on bragging about how he and Janette are so hot together, made in heaven and all that sacred stuff, far better apparently than anything I or you could ever achieve, yet he expects a tickle in the booth for nothing more than a slap in return.

    On the other hand, there’s Kevin. Saintly, bicunninglinguist. He’s new to the scene—and we all know that’s an attraction—but he too goes on and on about how he and Therese are so hot together, made in heaven and all that sacred stuff, far better apparently than anything I or you could ever achieve, yet he also wants a bit of tickle for little more than a promise that he’ll further review not slapping us then pass on whatever remains to his stately cousins to review some more.

    Well, I’ve heard enough bragging and promises; I’ve had enough of John and Kevin’s dirty tricks. No chocolates. No flowers. The evidence is in. That’s why this year, when I go to vote, I’ll be holding hands with the man who I not only trust and respect, but also very much love.

    Enjoy your election.

  9. H&R

    Why doesn’t the commonwealth FOR ONCE just bung its cock on the block and grant marriage to gays under the same (amended) Marriage Act (1953)? And actually CALL IT marriage, not this euphemistic ‘same-sex’ shit.

    It can’t honestly be categorically ‘suicidal’ as all pollsters apparently forecast. The factional arseholes are going to piss eskies, obviously, along with the other usual suspects, but the electoral reaction? All politics is local! They won’t give a shit. Should it just be shoved through, Australia will promptly realise that crying over gay marriage is as moronic as crying over water fluoridation was in the Seventies.

    I have no personal interest in making gays equal citizens to heteros; I’m just shat by people who take positions with absolutely zero basis in rationality, logic or critical analysis, such as opposition to this stuff. They’re on the same level as religious fundies.

    Here’s to the Democrats defying the odds and retaining a seat or two. (And finding a replacement for Allison while they’re at it…)

  10. Sans Blog

    “And actually CALL IT marriage, not this euphemistic ’same-sex’ shit.”

    Exactly! All this registers, civil unions etc. stuff is just semantics. Marriage is a word and it’s not owned by religion.

    If the religious sects don’t want to marry two people in their buildings so be it.

    People either forget or don’t know that marriage is a state-controlled function in Australia. A priest, a rabbi or whoever cannot perform a marriage in this country unless they are licensed by the state. The marriage certificate issued by a church is not a legal document nor legal recognition of marriage: only the state issued marriage certificate does that.

    If same-sex marriage is made legal it’s not going to be compulsory for heterosexuals (nor homosexuals) just as decriminalisation of homosexuality didn’t turn us into a nation of poofs overnight.

    And in the end it’s NOBODY’S business except those it affects.

  11. comicstriphero

    Great post Sam. Although I did have trouble sleeping after that “FF wins balance of power in the Senate” line.

  12. Luvvie Doctor's Wife

    One of my girlfriends is a lesbian. Apparently, there is a lot of division in the gay community about the ‘gay marriage’ issue. My friend is very much against it. She argues, “I don’t want the State anywhere near my love-life.”

  13. tigtog

    I call shenanigans, which is why the comment above now bears the Mark of the Troll.

    The IP number is a shared one at UNSW, and something about the style is rather familiar, isn’t it?

  14. Alister

    suz asked:

    Sam, do you know if these civil partnerships would be open to heterosexuals too?

    Melbourne City Council’s relationships register is open to all couples. I’m the proud co-owner of one of the shiny certificates they give you. I live in hope that the Victorian ALP MPs will get off their arses and implement a similar scheme. I don’t like the odds though. But should they do so, it would be consistent if they made the register open to any couple, irrespective of their gender.