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  1. Darlene

    I’d rather it be a list of the most influential queers, but now I’ve got that little, errr, ideological preference out the way, how about Kylie Kwong and Rodney Croome? Also, Helen Razer wrote a piece in one of those Melbourne gay boy rags about how queers are different from the regular folk (or words to that effect), so I also vote for Helen for queer of the year.

  2. myriad

    Fran Kelly is lesbian? Well blow this lesbian over – I didn’t know that!

  3. Philg

    “Fran Kelly is lesbian? Well blow this lesbian over – I didn’t know that!”

    Nor did I but I still love her to bits.

  4. MsLaurie

    Penny Wong, hey? Didn’t know that. There you go.

    She is fantabulous no matter what :)

  5. Suz

    Good suggestions: Kylie and Rodney, but I think there’s still room for specifically gay and lesbian lists Darlene, no matter how friendly or confused some queer folk are.

    Others that have come to mind are Julie McCrossin and Kerryn Phelps, but perahps they were influential in the past.

  6. Darlene

    Suz, in using the word queers, I just mean lesbians, gays, bisexuals, people who are some place different on the continuum than absolutely straight or absolutely gay, intersex people etc I am too mainstream to be any more subversive than that. Not sure about the implication of friendly or confused queers.

    Dennis Altman, Brian Greig had two seconds of fame. Ummm, Judy Small (the wonderful folk singer), Robyn Archer, the creators of LOTL, Deborah Cheetham (what a voice).

  7. woulfe

    I suspect the aim of this exercise was to drive traffic to the same-same site, rather than unearth this countryâ??s most influential gay people.

    The list is based on an online poll on the same-same site. Given that this site is targeted at party boys, itâ??s not surprising that the results are skewed towards men who are known in the â??gay scene.â?? Surprising Joh Bailey didnâ??t appear.

    The really interesting ones arenâ??t on the list:

    - closeted gays, who nonetheless are very influential. Alan Jones is the obvious example, but there are lots more, apparently.

    - gays who donâ??t make a big deal about it. David Malouf and David Flint come to mind, but no other association is intended. No doubt Penny Wong would also be included here if she hadnâ??t been outed shortly after she entered the Senate.

    Itâ??s a pity the list is necessary. It really should be sooooo irrelevant whether someone is gay or not.

  8. Helen

    I’d like to nominate my workmate who had his going-away lunch and presentation today (I won’t name him as I don’t blog about work, although he’s out and proud!)
    It’s the first time I can remember someone having their leaving presentation and seeing people crying.
    The year after he started, his sister died of leukaemia. It had taken a long time, too. His courage was extraordinary, and he invited all of us to his birthday party that year, which was huge.

    If we could tie him up and keep him here, we would. The people he is going to work for are very lucky indeed.

  9. Guise

    The higher education sector seems to have slipped under the radar here. There are several prominent current and recent Chancellors and Vice-Chancellors who fit the bill, almost all of whom are Known, if not flamboyantly Out.

    Meanwhile, Salon has something to say on some relevant legislation currently before the US Congress.

  10. Foucault A Go Go

    Given that the lesbian population is substantially smaller than the gay male population, it is a little surprisinng there are so many lesbians on this list. Perhaps they work harder?

  11. Frank Calabrese

    some of the names I’d never heard of, such as Seven’s Head of Creative Drama and Development, Bevan Lee.

    Hmm, Bevan was my sister’s English Teacher at a Catholic College here in WA over 30 years ago I wonder if his employers knew ?

  12. skribe

    Cool. It is a pity that the awards are necessary though. Most of these people are luminaries in the own right. What they do in the bedroom, bathroom or boot of the car should be of no concern. But it is still cool.

  13. Futt Bucker

    David Marr, he’s gay isn’t he?

  14. catlick

    This lists thing is so 1990. The wiki list is a bit more exhaustive, and illustrates that OMG LGBTG are sprinkled everywhere. What is it that is so fascinating about outing/publicizing? Oh I get it when there is a heapin’ helpin’ of hypocracy, but on a day to day basis, apart from idle curiosity, what’s the point?

  15. suz

    Yeah, David Marr is on the list.

    Catlick, it’s a list of ‘most influential’ which is a bit different from just listing people because they’re gay. And 2007 isn’t particualrly more advanced than 1990 was in terms of legal rights in this country.

  16. catlick

    “most influential” in their own fields. But if we are looking for legal equality is this our best hope? How about we start publishing lists of notable, nay influential left handed people, on the assumption that they too are universally committed to legal equity for same sex couples.

  17. suz

    But if we are looking for legal equality is this our best hope? How about we start publishing lists of notable, nay influential left handed people, on the assumption that they too are universally committed to legal equity for same sex couples.

    Are you saying that lefthanders are as likely to be committed to legal equality for same-sex couples as any of the people on this list who are gay?
    Of course there are gay conservatives – and I’m sure not all the people on this list are raving radicals – but I’d guess most if not all of them would support full legal equality for same-sex couples.

  18. catlick

    Well yes I was being facetious, but I’d like to see broader lists of people supporting legal equality for same sex couples, people who aren’t able to be dismissed as interested parties, people who believe that there is no sound basis for not changing the law.

  19. suz

    people who aren’t able to be dismissed as interested parties

    If people feel able to dismiss lesbian and gay aspirations towards equality on the basis that well, they would think that wouldn’t they, then we’re clearly not accepted as fully human.

    I’m happy when straight people speak out on my behalf but I’ll feel more secure when I feel totally free to speak on my own behalf – in all situations.

  20. monaro

    Others that have come to mind are Julie McCrossin and Kerryn Phelps, but perhaps they were influential in the past.

    Or the poll was decided by liberalpartyophobics.

  21. suz

    Or the poll was decided by liberalpartyophobics.

    I wouldn’t say McCrossin is a Liberal! But some of the men on that list might very well be Libs.

  22. catlick

    then we’re clearly not accepted as fully human

    Making a distinction between a lobby group/interested party and a call by the broader community for change does not necessarily characterize the interested parties as sub human. It is reasonable to consider self interest in assessing the merits of an argument.

    I’m happy when straight people speak out on my behalf

    I’m not requesting straight people to speak for us; perhaps if they could speak with us?

    I’ll feel more secure when I feel totally free to speak on my behalf -in all situations

    What’s holding you back?

  23. suz

    It is reasonable to consider self interest in assessing the merits of an argument.

    But this is a very specific argument – it’s not just about self-interest, it’s about self. I’m an old gay liberationist – I think that in speaking up for ourselves, we come to define our interests. No one else can do that; no one else can (or does) decide what would be good for us and hand it to us.

    I’ll feel more secure when I feel totally free to speak on my behalf – in all situations

    What’s holding you back?

    Not much does hold me back but I am occasionally in situations where I’m reticent about being open because I fear being feared. And I’m very aware that in many occupations (teaching, for example) it’s still very difficult for lesbians and gay men to mention their personal lives in the unself-conscious way that heterosexuals do.

  24. catlick

    I fear being feared

    So you don’t want to be on the list then?

    it’s still very difficult for lesbians and gay men to mention their personal lives in the unself-conscious way that heterosexuals do

    But you’re happy to publish the list and add names to it.

  25. monaro

    I wouldn’t say McCrossin is a Liberal! But some of the men on that list might very well be Libs.

    Yes, but they haven’t been outed yet.

    As for Julie, if you’re not prepared to believe Bob Ellis’s claim, and why would you, all the signs are there: she’s almost devoid of shrillness and far to reasonable to be a Howard hater.

  26. anthony

    Kylie Kwong

    Not that I did much research into the matter but I never knew.

  27. suz

    I’ve been a fellow traveller of Julie’s for 30 years and I’d be extremely surprised if she’s ever voted Liberal. Labor or left voters can be reasonable, you know.

  28. suz

    So you don’t want to be on the list then?

    Being pseudonymous as a blogger doesn’t mean I’m in the closet in ‘real’ life. Who knows? Maybe I am on the list ;-)

    it’s still very difficult for lesbians and gay men to mention their personal lives in the unself-conscious way that heterosexuals do

    But you’re happy to publish the list and add names to it.

    It’s a list of people who are open about being gay and who are in influential positions in our culture. Yes, I’m happy to publish it. I think such lists can help change things so that anyone could be open, in any circumstance.