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16 responses to “No, thanks”

  1. skepticlawyer

    I don’t have anything to add, except to say I do appreciate your WA wrap-ups, Anna. My brother-in-law is from Derby, and his family are all still in the West, so it is good to catch up.

  2. Guy

    You would have to think that the Nats and the Libs are going to come to some arrangement, for the sake of securing power alone. From a Labor point of view, philosophically speaking, it may be better for the party to a state election or two across the country if it is the case that the government is not performing to the public’s expectations.

    The last thing we want is for a long lasting hatred of state Labor to be solidified in the minds of voters who feel they have put up with too much rubbish for too long.

    It might not quite be that way in WA, but it definitely feels that something like that is happening in NSW. Rees and Tebbutt certainly have a job on their hands there over the next two and a half years. Losing a single election isn’t the end of the world if there is a realistic chance of bouncing back at the next poll; but one gets the rather sickening feeling that when NSW Labor is removed from office, it won’t be back for quite a long time… unless the new leadership team can really work some miracles in restoring public confidence.

  3. Razor

    Bob Kucera was a high profile preselection when he came in. However he was not parachuted into a safe seat. He went into a safe liberal seat against a sitting Minister and beat him. He then turned the seat into one of the safest labor seats in WA. That is a lot different to the parachuting that was attempted in this election.

  4. Kim

    Yep, thanks heaps for the coverage, Anna!

  5. Anna Winter

    Perhaps, Razor, but I still think that to blame it on parachuting is to miss the point.

  6. Anna Winter

    And thanks, SL and Kim.

  7. Russell

    Anna, another statistic I’m interested in is voter turnout. What’s the bet it’s the lowest of all time, and the ones who didn’t vote were the ones who voted ALP last time. That would reflect not so much new enthusiasm for the Libs, as declining enthusiasm for Labor.

    And they deserve it. Carps will be justly criticised, but I hope the repellent State Secretary, Bill Johnston’s failure is acknowledged – even though he is rewarded by joining his wife in parliament.

    As much as I see Carpenter’s faults, I give him some credit for wanting to get past the low standard of candidates the party seems to throw up. You can feel his frustration at how poorly the government performed. Just one example: how pathetic that a major Liberal policy was to provide more car parking places at the railway stations on the northern line. Lack of parking has been a problem there almost since the line was opened. It’s been a well-known problem for years and years. But typical of the government, in 8 years of boom, the transport minister couldn’t lay out a bit more bitumen at station carparks and solve a really simple problem. The government’s ministers’ woeful performance has frustrated everybody.

  8. Andrew E

    Anna, what of reports that WA Labor hate Carpenter and will collapse in internal bickering twelve months from now?

  9. Razor

    If the Nats jump into the bed with the ALP it will be the end of them, despite their pork barrel/agrian socialist leanings. The majority of their support base will be livid.

  10. Anna Winter

    Andrew E: the Libs are in exactly the same situation.

  11. Frank Calabrese

    Anna,

    There is also the role of The West Australian in all this and Matt Birney summed it up perfectly on 6PR on election Night, which William Bowe at Pollbludger has transcribed.

    Exchange from 6PR election night broadcast between former Liberal leader Matt Birney, broadcaster Howard Sattler and former Labor MP Graham Edwards. Much more remains to be said on The West Australian’s extraordinary coverage of this campaign, but Birney hits on the main themes.

    MB: The West Australian newspaper, the journalists down there have been having running fights and personality clashes with Alan Carpenter and his senior ministers including Jim McGinty who once banned them. And I’ll tell you what, they have taken it upon themselves to punish those ministers for those personality clashes, and some of the articles have appeared day after day after day on The West Australian newspaper I think have just damaged the hell out of the Labor Party, and I might say as a Liberal, I’m prepared to say, some of them very unfairly.

    HS: And yet today the paper said … today editorial in the paper said vote Labor!

    MB: No it didn’t at all, that was Paul Armstrong trying to cover his backside in case the board tapped him on the shoulder and say, what do you think you’re doing.

    HS: I know what you mean, but 95 per cent of the editorial bagged the Carpenter government and the last 5 per cent said vote for him (laughs) …

    MB: Can I just respond to that? For those people who read the editorial, they’d realise that the editorial was absolutely scathing of the Labor Party …

    HS: It was.

    MB: … and then in the very last line said, but it’s probably a safe vote to vote Labor. Do you know what that was? That was Paul Armstrong, the editor of The West Australian, covering his backside in case he got a phone call from Peter Mansell, the chairman of the board, saying “I think you guys have allowed your personality clashes with these ministers to play out in the pages of our newspaper” …

    During the campaign in particular there were a number of articles that were completely beaten up. For instance, the headline saying Michelle Roberts has dared the Premier to sack her. Well, she never did any such thing. The Premier flies to Albany, as you do when you’re a leader, to announce a renewble energy policy, and The West focus in on how much fuel he used in the aeroplane. You know, The West said “oh, the Labor Party aren’t in fact the green party because they’re bringing on 1100MW of coal and gas-fired power”. Well, if they didn’t do that the state would be on its knees. I could go on and on …

    GE: Certainly the campaign between The West and the Carpenter government was a very intriguing one. It was there and it was real and I think Matt’s hit the nail on the head.

    MB: It was juvenile, wasn’t it? … I don’t think that The West have a left-wing bias, I think that their journalists get into a fight with a politician, they then go back to their office and they say, “right, I’ll stitch that bloke up”, and then they find the worst headline and the worst story they can and they beat the hell out of it, and they then stick it into the paper for the next day and they say “there you go, cop that one, you want to be …”.

    HS: So it’s all about megalomania.

    MB: Oh, it’s out of control, it’s a teenage rampage down there at The West Australian at the moment.

    http://www.pollbludger.com/

  12. Ophuph Hucksake

    Being dissed with the phrase “teenage rampage”, by Matt Birney of all people. Oh the ignominy.

  13. Geoff Robinson

    Problem for the Nats is that a minority Liberal govt would find an excuse for an early election at a convenient time and win an outright majority.

  14. Andrew B

    I’ve said it else where, but I don’t think Carpenter has ever publicly said Who he is and why he wants to be premier. I truly believe that doing that might have helped.

  15. Russell

    The swing to the Greens was big – I suppose some of that were disatistisfied ALP voters (who perhaps like me, didn’t give any preferences this time). Trying to think of particular groups who didn’t want to vote ALP as they usually do … I’m guessing teachers and public servants? Carpenter and McGowan have been the most unliked education ministers for a long time. And public servants have just settled a long battle to get even cost-of-living wage increases.

  16. Chris Pascoe

    Russell – sometimes it’s seat based too. I live in Mt Lawley and I was quite happy to vote for my Labor candidate, but friends (even ones who worked for the Labor party on polling day in different seats to their own) in certain safe Labor seats, one of which is now very marginal indeed, voted for the Greens as a protest vote against their members’ lack of responsiveness. I’m sure other residents with less qualms probably voted Liberal for the same reason, maybe not entirely realising their vote had the potential to elect a Liberal. (You would be amazed how politically uninformed many voters are!)

    And Razor, I wouldn’t take it as given that the base will revolt against the Nationals if they do a deal with Labor. I’ve heard there was grave disquiet at Julie Bishop’s remarks on Saturday night, to the point where some National supporters’ parties were booing the TV coverage. They may well support a temporary alliance with Labor just to prove to the Liberals they can no longer take their support as given, and the Nationals will not suffer so long as they actually deliver. In my observation many country people are far more practical and pragmatic than many city people give them credit for, and will support whatever works.