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58 responses to “Terror academics! Feud!”

  1. Stephen Lloyd

    wtf do the Young Liberals have to do with it?

  2. Spiros

    If Bendle really described Burke as “pro terrorist” then Burke should sue him and Quadrant for defamation.

  3. Mark

    Stephen @ #1, read the post, and follow the links, and there’s your answer!

    The Young Liberals have mounted a campaign, publicised by The Australian, to sniff out evil lefty lecturers.

  4. Mark

    Spiros, that’s what I’d do if I were Burke.

  5. Stephen Lloyd

    Oh I see, yeah I remember that now.

    Whilst I don’t agree with the hyperbolic way Bendle discussed it, I think the underlying question of whether an academic who believes we ourselves may be responsible for the current situation should be teaching future officers of the military, is a reasonable question.

    I suspect Bendle’s real aim was not to ask that question but to snuff out academics who hold that point of view.

    I don’t mind academics holding that point of view, but I don’t think they should be teaching our future officers, when those officers will one day be asked to lead men into battle. It puts the lives of the men being led at risk if their leader doesn’t believe in the mission.

  6. Lefty E

    Why is it only these culture warriors who resort to this form of grubby, intellectually dishonest idiocy? They’re McCarthyites.

    I’d sue him too. Watch the 2nd rater shit his pants. Learn some respect for others, Bendle, and try to udnerstand how debate works in a democacy. Denuciations are for authoritarian regikes, like Iran – where Bendle’s modus operandi is standard.

    I guess that makes Bendle pro-Iran on his criteria.

    Oh, and btw, you idiots lost the “any criticism of the US = teh pro-terror!” public debate last November. Deal with it. Let your work speak for itself.

  7. Mark

    Stephen, how do you know that’s what Burke thinks? I wouldn’t accept Bendle’s characterisation of his thought without reading his work myself.

    You seem to agree that critical reflection and the sifting of a variety of views against the evidence – the basis of an education in the humanities and social sciences – is inappropriate for defence force students.

  8. FDB

    It puts the entire military and our national security at risk when young officers-in-training are insulated from politically inconvenient thinking.

  9. professor rat

    Have they no shame?

    Terror was used in WW2 to deprive Hitler of Heavy water from Norway. Imagine V2 rockets tipped with atomic bombs!

    Have they no decency?

    Of course terror has a role in war – take the AU SAS in Iraq in 2003. Striking before an ultimatum falls due is terrorism. Current and serving members of the SAS are terrorists. The Australian is rapidly becoming a full time house organ of the ugliest uglies in the Liberal party so a boycott seems in order. I’ll miss my favorite stand-up comedian Mirko Bagaric. That’s academic terrorism as performance art. Finally Glen McLennan is an undisguised left-fascist. He got 200 K for barge-arsing his way into a students Phd where he had no business doing so. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  10. The Incredible Redundant Man

    Sheesh, how fast do you dudes write?

  11. Lefty E

    Faster than I can proofread, generally!

  12. Mercurius

    Stephen, you’re drinking deep from the Bendle the kool-aid, methinks.

    You seem inclined to uncriticially accept Bendle’s tendentious assertions:

    1) That Burke believes we are “responsible” for attacks against us.
    2) That Burke teaches this line to ADFA personnel.
    3) That ADFA personnel are empty vessels unable to form their own beliefs about the value of the mission and in any case lack the professionalism and discipline to carry out orders.

    Before we leap to any such conclusions, wouldn’t it be wiser to find out whether the precious widdle baby officers at ADFA are in fact suffering any grave existential angst because of what that nasty post-modern neo-Marxist pro-terrorist Mr Burke whispered in their ears?

  13. Armagny

    Classic security thinking led to the idiotic conflation of Secular Baathists and Al Qaeda.

    I sure hope we go back to 100% classic security thinking. Let’s flatten out those globes while we’re at it.

    And you’re right, there seems to be a quite focused push from the Oz on hatred of all things the academic world has come up with since about 1962.

  14. Mole

    So whats the point in (apparently, according to the quadrant article, which is available online) teaching ADF candidates that their worldview is just an unjust construct designed to marginalise the other?

    Why teach that there is some moral confusion between the imperfect system we live under (which is a work in progress), and Fudementalist Islam which considers itself a finished product?

    Some of the theory, particularly regaurding the “others” is nice as an academic excercise, but otherwise useless. Yes its important to “get in the skin” of your opponents, but that doesnt include buying into his arguements. I saw nothing in the article (it may be in the course though), which asserts in any way the superiority of western political and social systems over those of religous fanatics. Thats a worry.

  15. FDB

    Mole – your argument only has traction to the extent that one thinks ADF recruits should only be taught about matters with direct application in combat.

  16. Mercurius

    “It’s a funny situation when you have people utilising academic freedom in a sense to attack it,” Dr Burke said.

    Oh indeed, and watch how quickly Bendle will cry that his academic freedom is under attack when others condemn his boorish soundings-off.

    Bendle is one of several who seem willing to destroy academic freedom in order to save it. Hmm..also Hookham, Maclennan and Chris Mitchell…What are they putting in the water up north, Mark?

    He and the Oz team have also picked up the mantra “Ignorance is Strength”. Off they run with it…

  17. adrian

    “I saw nothing in the article (it may be in the course though), which asserts in any way the superiority of western political and social systems over those of religous fanatics.”

    Indeed, I agree, but we need to go further. What we need is a values statement included in every course taught at university, high school and primary school to the affect that the content of this course endorses and asserts the inherent superiority of our way of life over all others, particularly if the others include religions that are in any shape or form fanatic.
    Any teacher who is not willing to endorse such a values statement doesn’t deserve to benefit from our superior social political and moral system that he or she denies the superiority of.

    It’s the only way to maintain our superiority. You know it makes sense.

  18. Mole

    FDB
    Im not quite getting your point I think. The intellectual excercise is fine, and if thats all it is then good. However if the main thrust of the course (as alleged in quadrant) is to “white ant” the ADF terror studies course then the criticism of the academics involved is warrented.
    However if the artcle is cherry picking to falsify the case then they should be denounced instead.

  19. Mark

    I’d point out again that given Bendle’s Quadrant article is obviously a polemic rather than some sort of disinterested reportage, I’d be very wary of assuming that what he says about what Burke writes and teaches is accurate.

  20. marlin

    “It’s a funny situation when you have people utilising academic freedom in a sense to attack it,” Dr Burke said.

    Is this what Burke did when he initially complained to the Board of JCU that they should have an inquiry into Bendle? How do complain about lack of academic freedom while at the same time try to stop someone else’s freedom? There seem to be a lot of pots and kettles here.

  21. Mark

    Here’s the para with the “pro-terrorist” claim from Bendle’s Quadrant article btw:

    That Pickering and the other academics discussed here can have such views published by a university press in a text purportedly on the history of terrorism would be beyond belief if this wasn’t Australia, where academic terrorism studies have generally been taken over by the political Left, with all the anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist, and postmodernist ideological gobbledygook that entails. As for the ADFA, we can only wonder what the activities of people like Burke and Bowden portend for the future expertise and morale of Australia’s military forces.

  22. Lefty E

    As I see it, Bendle contends that academic freedom should not question the current regimes position on security strategies, lest we present a “disunited front” to our enemy, in a time of “war”.

    This is the sort of ideological hidebound security thinking that saw Russia security advisors lose every battle against Franco in the Spanish civil war. Anyone who stuck their head up and said “this shit aint working” got shot.

    Its a very common security weakness of authoritarian regimes.

    I therefore conclude that Bendle is not only a potential to threat to national security, but a probable agent of influence for authoritarian regimes.

  23. Pavlov's Cat

    Yes, a gobsmacking front-pager all right. It’s taking the Oz a ridiculously long time to work out that the punters who know the meaning of ‘postmodernism’ understand that the phrase ‘neo-Marxist postmodernism’ is a nonsense, and the punters who don’t know what it means don’t care. The idea that it made it to the front page above the fold on a Saturday beggars belief.

  24. Lefty E

    Unconsciously so, of course. See my upcoming piece in teh Courier-Mail, which will no doubt run my line of assertions here

  25. Paul Norton

    And here’s another par from the Quadrant article which doesn’t leave much to the imagination:

    Moreover, in reading Burke’s polemics, one gets an impression… of a deeper, almost pathological tendency revealed in Burke’s antipathy for liberal democracies and mainstream Australians, and his relentless sympathy for terrorists, illegal immigrants, communists, and “the Other” in its multitudinous forms.

    [emphasis mine - PN]

  26. Mercurius

    Bendle:

    with all the anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist, and postmodernist ideological gobbledygook that entails.

    He forgot cheese-eating, chardonnay-swilling, arugula-chomping, Prius-driving and self-hating.

    Oh, the list is just so long these days, I lose track!

    Well, if I were a professional of the ‘academic terrorism studies’ variety, and I’d been smeared with the term ‘pro-terrorist’, I’d be calling my lawyer, just to, you know, say hi, ask if the family is well, just a friendly chat…

  27. Laura

    Keith W. needs one of those signs hanging about his editor’s desk: “You don’t have to be mad to publish in Quadrant, but it sure helps!”

    I mean, the current issue has a post article by Patrick McCauley about the feminist conspiracy to destroy the AFL.

  28. Paul Norton

    I mean, the current issue has a post article by Patrick McCauley about the feminist conspiracy to destroy the AFL.

    Riiiggghhhhttttt!!!!! I was wondering who to blame for the decision to schedule all the finals for the evening when it’s too late for the kids to watch them. Now we know.

  29. Liam

    Related reading: the Australian Military Reading List.

  30. danny

    If anyone wants to jump in at the deep end, instead of at this safer remove, the Oz is allowing comment threads on its original report page, “Culture wars bomb hits the military,Jamie Walker,September 20 and also on today’s reply by Professor Burke.
    I go along with Prof. William Maley there

    … what I find distasteful is the insulting image of ADFA’s officer cadets and midshipmen that Mervyn Bendle seeks to convey. He writes as if they are real knuckleheads, no more than empty vessels ready to be stuffed with post-modernism….Students of the University of NSW at ADFA are perfectly capable of reflecting critically on a wide range of issues, and they do not need a Bendle to protect them from the danger of ideas.

    Then again, he would say that wouldn’t he, he must be a Pinko, he was on the Executive Committee of the Refugee Council of Australia.

  31. Lefty E

    Absolutely danny, indeed my uni (well, soon to be former uni, as Im moving sideways to another of Victoria’s premier lesser unis) got the gig a while back to teach International relations to the army colonels.

    Word is they were some of the better students the staff ever had: always did the reading, werent afraid to stoush the lecturers, though always in a respectful way, and perfectly capable (unlike Bendle) of engaging in civil discourse by way of reasoned argument.

  32. Razor

    Disband ADFA – problem solved!

  33. Paul Burns

    I’m currently reviewing Anthony Burke’s latest book “Fear of Security” for RAJ, and it will be published on-line presumably in early October. It is inappropriate for me to comment on that book here, I’d reckon. Its the only one of Burke’s works I’ve read,(am still reading) but I will say this: He’s definitely NOT pro-terrorist.

  34. Mark

    Thanks, Paul. Please let us know the link when the review is published.

  35. Mark

    danny, thanks for the heads up. I’ve added a link to Burke’s reply.

    I wonder if he was told his letter would be morphed into a “blog”.

  36. danny

    Lefty: My anecdote supports your anecdote as to likeliehood of soundness, and then some, of our troops and troopettes: Years ago, when enterprise Java was youngish, I had to do a course and certification for this high-end, somewhat arcane, back then cutting-edge digital asset management software, and there was a team of cordies from lego-land there. Talk about team work, they blitzed it. Apparently one of ‘em had a windows box, one an OSX, and one linux. Reassuringly thorough approach.

  37. Sean

    A-ha! I have some actual relevant experience, having done my BA there.

    Cadets don’t do their university courses because it will help them lead men into battle; if that’s as far as you ever want to take your army career you can do the short officer’s course at Duntroon. The uni education is for those other, later times when they’re in Canberra, possibly helping write policy, having to argue their case with university medallists at DFAT or Treasury, etc etc.

    Given the track record, indoctrinating potential senior officers (or anyone at all really) into a monolithic neocon world view would appear to be the worst outcome possible.

    These try-hards always make me laugh though, discovering their martial nature just after the knees go and they couldn’t hump a pack for love nor money. Damn it! What rotten luck fellows, wish to God I could go with you boys etc etc. I bet Dr Burke knows that no one calls it “the ADFA”.

  38. danny

    “I wonder if he was told his letter would be morphed into a “blog”.”… interesting topic for another time and thread?

  39. danny

    Sean: “I bet Dr Burke knows that no one calls it “the ADFA” …. You gonna give us a heads up on lego lingo?

  40. Terry

    Thirty-nine posts later, I’ve found this on LP after it was on my blog this morning.

    The point I wanted to make was that three issues have been bundled together by Mervyn Bendle:

    1. The legitimacy of poststructuralist (note: not postmodernist or neo-Marxist) readings of international politics, as compared to other approaches 9e.g. realist, liberal, Marxist). There is a legitimate academic debate to be had about this, whether in Quadrant, The Australian, or wherever;

    2. Whether such a reading can lead to the accusation that someone is ‘pro-terrorist’, which is in my view laughable. It basically says that any critical reading of one’s own system gives aid and comfort to its enemies. Also, being ‘pro-terrorist’ is a very, very serious charge to level at an academic;

    3. Whether Tony can therefore hold a post at the ADFA, which is where things get sinister and McCarthyist to me. I haven’t read William Maley’s comment, but the idea that military officers cannot be introduced to critical perspectives in international politics without it somehow weakening their morale can lead to people being dismissed from positions for their ideas, and that is a real threat to academic freedom.

    On the Young Liberal point, I am aware that associating all Young Liberals with Quadrant is probably unfair. That said, the group behind the Make Education Fair campaign are clearly working closely with Keith Windschuttle and Kevin Donnelly, as can be see from their Web site.

  41. Sean

    Danny: ADFA or the Academy.

    PS: I’m mates with the bloke who wrote the original “Lego Lingo”. Interestingly for this discussion he got himself in the non-serious poo for that effort, though that was from the mil admin (swear words etc) rather than from the accas over in “the DMZ”, who had of course encouraged him.

    I doubt anyone calls the academic buildings “the DMZ” anymore BTW. Our RSM was a Vietnam veteran.

  42. Laura

    “There is a legitimate academic debate to be had about this, whether in Quadrant, The Australian, or wherever” – Terry, on that showing, it’s going to have to be wherever.

    I quite see that Bendle’s claim that Tny Burke is ‘pro-terrorist’ is a strong accusation, probably actionable and so forth – but McCarthyist? That implies Bendle has not just influence, which would be surprising enough, but actual power to conduct nad follow through on politically motivated obsessive witchhunts. I think that’s according him & his ilk more dignity than they deserve.

  43. Laura

    PS – I’ve always thought it would save a lot of time and confusion if ADFA could be merged with the Australian Dried Fruits Association.

  44. danny

    “ADFA could be merged with the Australian Dried Fruits Association”….If we’re being allowed to be silly, that would mean one of their new weapons would be a Sultana Braen Gun? There would be way less casualties of war than real bullets,if you could convince Teh Other Side to go along with the new rules.

  45. Mark

    I think it’s a very sensible suggestion. For google search purposes, the Australian Political Studies Association also needs to merge with the Australian Pro Street Assocation, the Australian Pharmaceutical Science Association and Adelaide Plastic Surgery Associates.

    http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=apsa&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

  46. danny

    There’s bound to be a one off situation comedy in there somewhere: a somewhat incompetent convention centre and hotel booking agency organises the APSA ( or acronym with most hilarious possibilities) conference, resulting in good natured mayhem. Group script writing anyones?

  47. Pavlov's Cat

    I likewise support the amalgamation of the Association for the Study of Australian Literature with Automotive Stampings and Assemblies Ltd and the American Society of Aesthetic Lipodissolve. I think there’s a lot of overlap there, and not a few creative partnerships.

  48. FDB

    There’s a whole bunch of APRAs too.

    Perhaps they should merge under Association for Poorly Researched Acronyms?

  49. Liam

    So long as the Commonwealth Public Sector Union flies the red flag above the Canberra-Queanbeyan Soviet, I’m all for all of the above.

  50. FDB

    Danny – South Park dunnit already, with the North American Man-Boy Love Association and the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

  51. Tyro Rex

    You know, young US Army officers get to make a recruitment video for a fictional Islamic terrorist group as part of their ‘media warfare 101′ training. I wonder what Bendle would make of that.

  52. Leon Bertrand
  53. danny

    FDB: It was definitely a good idea then. They had a ball with F.A.G in Team America too.

  54. Mark

    Leon @ 52, normally we ask people to provide a quick summary as well as a link, though in this instance the name of your post says it all.

  55. jinmaro

    Jonathan Lyons is an interesting case in point.

    He was the Reuters US foreign correspondent and bureau chief expelled in 2001 from Iran (previously based in Russia, then Turkey) along with his journalist/academic wife, both accused by the Khatami government of being US government spies. The couple had been living and working as researchers and foreign correspondents in Iran for 3 years. Their primary interest/journalistic/academic focus was unambiguously the clerical classes.

    He surfaced a year or so ago in Australia and now teaches and consults at the Global Terrorism Research Center at Monash. At Monash he’s also a doctoral student in sociology of religion and conducts courses for the Global Terrorism Centre heavily based on his speciality, Islam, particularly in today’s Iran.

  56. Down and Out of Sài Gòn

    Leon Bertrand: warblogging like the last seven years never happened.

  57. Katz

    Leon is of course modestly valuing his commentary in Zimbabwean cents.

  58. Graham Bell

    Mark; you said

    and also of the willingness of academics to prosecute basically private (and often employment related) disputes through the pages of the public press.

    That’s not fair. You put up a worthwhile topic for discussion …. and, in a single sentence in your opening remarks, leave us very little else to say on the subject. :-)