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13 responses to “What if you held an IR scare and no one came?”

  1. Paul Norton

    Whilst we’re on the subject of the mirror-Marxism (or perhaps mirror-Trotskyism) of the Right, it’s worth noting a number of examples of would-be organic intellectuals of the ruling class in government, the media and the bureaucracy being much more enthusiastic about the class war from above than real world capitalists. These include:

    * The contemptuous attitudes of elements within the Queensland Coordinator-General’s office towards the Century zinc mine proponents’ desire to come to an accommodation with indigenous communities concerned about the project “just tell ‘em to bugger off”.

    Returning to the specific post topic:

    The irony in this stoush with no stoushing partner is that an extreme level of frustration is on display – even the columnists are probably aware that it would be political suicide for Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberals to oppose the bill.

    Of course. A defeated army learns quickly – if it realises that it has been defeated. The thing is that significant sections of the Australian Right are still in denial about the defeat that the 2007 Federal election signified for them on IR, climate change and not a few other issues.

    * The statements by various businesses wishing to see a stronger climate change response that they were afraid to put their heads above the parapet on the issue during the Howard Government’s tenure for fear of reprisals in the form of unfavourable government decisions affecting their business.

    * The intransigence of pro-development State and Federal bureaucrats in the Ecologically Sustainable Development Working Groups in resisting even minor proposals for gradual change whilst business and union representatives were achieving consensus with environmentalists and scientists about much more substantial reforms.

  2. Lefty E

    This only goes to show that a few weird overlaps aside (eg Hendy), the crazed ldeologues of the Liberal party are unrepresentative of business community – who are pragamtists above all else.

    Ridout’s still hoping to score a few amendments in the Senate, sure, but she’s no mug. She’s called game over on workfarces – the OZ needs to live in the now. Its game over – you lost. You can walk, or get carried off.

  3. Zombie Mao

    Hey, way out West the OMG UNIONS RUN line is running in the local rag.

    It like Howard is still with us.

    I think daylight saving hasn’t gone far enough yet. Still need to wind the clocks forward a few more years….

  4. Alex Schlotzer

    The Liberals are really showing a crazed approach the new IR laws. You have on one hand Turnbull, the supposed leader, saying WorkChoices is dead and they’re not going to get in the way of the new laws, and on the other hand you have Keenan and Bishop saying WorkChoices isn’t dead and they’ll be challenging the new laws.

    Seems like the Liberals are really imploding over this issue and that Turnbull has lost control of some of his front bench. Should be amusing to watch how the Liberals respond to the laws in the Senate next year.

  5. Wombo

    Lefty E: Ridout’s called time on NoBloodyChoices because the replacement is substantially the same. Even under Howard, a significant proportion of business was unwilling to push the law too hard against the unions, which is why the legislation had to be amended, to explicitly prevent silly corporations and nasty unions from reaching a “civilised” agreement.
    Now we have Fraud With Finesse, a slightly rejigged version of NoBloodyChoices that keeps most of the anti-union features, but with sweeteners for unions that behave themselves really, really well (and don’t go asking for silly, old-fashioned, things like wage increases, fair dismissal laws and genuine OHS standards).
    That’s why Ridout’s on board – FWF keeps the workplace power-pendulum firmly on the side of business.
    The crazed response to FWF is – to my mind, anyway – largely a political feint, using the OO and other loopy right media to prevent Labor from caving in to any union pressure to implement IR legislation worth the name.
    That’s if the unions (or at least the mainstream ones, and the ACTU) could even get their act together to push for such changes. They’re having enough trouble assembling the spine to oppose the ABCC (the MUA, the Vic ETU and *some* of the CFMEU excepted, of course).

  6. Ken Lovell

    A long long time ago, when I worked for an employer association and the Libs were in opposition, I had a bit to do with Howard and other shadow ministers interested in IR. They hated my association and the then-MTIA (now AIG) because we were actually interested in finding solutions to IR problems as opposed to engaging in endless warfare against the bastard unions. ‘Commercial decision’, namely one made in the interests of the enterprise instead of in support of a political ideology, was one of Howard’s favourite terms of abuse.

    Anyway we never got anywhere with them trying to get an IR policy that accommodated the needs of our industry. All they were interested in doing was lecturing us in how we ought to be conducting our affairs, which was a bit rich coming from a motley bunch of suburban solicitors and graziers who’d never managed a workforce in their lives.

    It looks like nothing has changed.

  7. Huggybunny

    Ken, add to that the fact that Howard’s father and family blamed the Unions and the Workers for the great depression. They got “greedy” during the boom of ’28 and drove the honest Capitalists out of business you see.
    I think this fantasy has deeply infected the solicitors, graziers and coupon clippers who infest the Liberal party.
    This meme makes it almost impossible for a pragmatic industrial relations policy to surface, not helped by the fact that the Leader is from exactly the same middle class background that is the fertile breeding ground for the “blame the workers and the unions for the crisis” shtick. His “don’t give the money to the poor to rescue the economy – give it to the deserving middle class instead” (tax cuts)is eloquent testimony to this.
    Huggy

  8. GB

    What I could never understand with those business ads was why those CFMEU bovver boys were marching into what looked like a small dress-making shop to turn the lights out.

    I mean, is there a single unionised small dress-making shop in the country? Why were small dress shop workers being represented by union officials obviously from the building industry? And why would they turn the lights out? Wouldn’t that just make it harder for those union officials to find their way out of the building when they’d finished being all bovver boyish?

    So many questions…….the wierd fantasy life of a Tory.

  9. smokey

    I’m a union member. I am not an animal!

  10. Chris White

    “Double speak” on industrial relations reforms is rampant…as well as the Murdoch lies, the ACTU joins the government chorus that WorkChoices is dead, when much of it is not to be repealed…
    many sections remain, such as allowing employers and the Minister to stop legitimate industrial action and to apply threatening penalties against unions. The denial of the right to strike remains one of the most anti-union repressive regimes in the OECD world. I have posted my analysis in detail on http://chriswhiteonline.org

    Professor Harry Glasbeek argues that the Fair Work bill is a sell-out of activists in the Your Rights at Work campaign. Professor Keith ewing writes on lessons for the labour movement from the UK…that we are ignoring.
    The fair Work bill assumes a stable booming economy, conceived and written prior to the capitalist financial crisis…and fails to meet the needs of working families in these recessionary times.

  11. David Irving (no relation)

    … the solicitors, graziers and coupon clippers who infest the Liberal party

    Heh. My son calls people who work in financial engineering coin clippers. Such people used to have their hands cut off, but now (or at least until recently) they’re the Masters of the Universe.

  12. Wombo

    I strongly recommend people visit Chris White’s blog and have a read.

    Also, this in today’s SMH: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/changes-unfair-to-workers-cameron/2008/12/11/1228585025690.html

  13. jane

    Shamaham continues to worship at the Ratty and SerfChoices shrine in today’s Australian.
    I don’t know why he’s so hysterical, Gillard has only tinkered at the edges of SerfChoices, altering it to SerfChoices lite. Pretty disappointing.