« profile & posts archive

This author has written 2295 posts for Larvatus Prodeo.

Return to: Homepage | Blog Index

29 responses to “War on terror – over”

  1. Tyro Rex

    I would expect (hope? maybe the better word) that their intelligence agencies and foreign services have been telling them this for years. But then …maybe I am too much the optimist.

    The other thing they should be aware of – but they won’t say in public? Al Quaeda is not an existential threat to any western nation. But Russia might be. Where then should you expect our foreign policy efforts be concentrated?

  2. Chav

    “Terrorist groups need to be tackled at root, interdicting flows of weapons and finance, exposing the shallowness of their claims, channelling their followers into democratic politics.”

    And er, “…not invading their countries…”.

    War on Terror over?

    How about,..No.

  3. Peter Kemp

    …more sane participants in the debate…

    Including the people who made this:
    http://www.waronterrortheboardgame.com/

    Everyone starts with the best intentions. Then things start to get cramped. Then you notice your neighbour has more oil than you. Before long, war is waged, nukes are dropped, revolutions are fought and terrorists are doing your dirty work, before turning on you…
    Buy the War on Terror now!

    This is the War on Terror, the boardgame: A quality boardgame for 2 – 6 players, lovingly illustrated and politically correct (in a very literal sense). Playing it will bring out the nastiest, greediest, darkest, most paranoid aspects of your character. It’s all great family fun.

    (Special discounts for unemployed, discredited Neocons?)

  4. epicene

    Interesting that Obama, in his interview with Arab TV, acknowledged that “..the US must not dictate terms as we have done in the past.”
    Since this is clearly a thoughtful man who speaks English well (unlike his predecessor)I nearly cheered.

  5. Tony of South Yarra

    The “war on terror” also implied that the correct response was primarily military. But as General Petraeus said to me and others in Iraq, the coalition there could not kill its way out of the problems of insurgency and civil strife.

    The “war on (insert problem du jour)” terminology has been commandeered repeatedly by Kevin Rudd to describe numerous policy responses, even when the issues involved were relatively mundane. Following the writer’s logic, the correct responses to all of those are also implicitly military. Could the Rudd government “kill its way out of the problems of” unemployment, or whaling, for example?

  6. Mark

    Following the writer’s logic, the correct responses to all of those are also implicitly military.

    I think that’s drawing a bit of a long bow, Tony. The “war on terror” was always about actual military action, not a metaphor.

    And er, “…not invading their countries…”.

    That’s what I think Miliband is saying, Chav.

  7. Tony of South Yarra

    The “war on terror” was always about actual military action, not a metaphor.

    Not necessarily, Mark. Bush cranked up domestic security in all sorts of ways after 9/11. That’s got to be a legitimate front of the ‘war on terror’ that couldn’t be classed as a military response.

    An example I just heard about: that mobile phones aren’t allowed into this weekend’s superbowl (a game of interest to AFL followers because of ex-Geelong captain Ben Graham’s involvement – as punter for the Cardinals) because they can be used as remote bomb triggers.

  8. Tony of South Yarra

    Electronic devices — Spectators are strongly urged not to bring electronic devices of any sort into the Stadium. Any electronic device will be thoroughly inspected causing delays of the individual spectator, as well as other patrons. Electronic devices include, but are not limited to, cellular telephones, pagers, miniature televisions and radios, and personal digital assistants (PDA’s).

    http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/faninformation

  9. Mark

    That’s got to be a legitimate front of the ‘war on terror’ that couldn’t be classed as a military response.

    Ok, I get what you’re saying now, Tony. But I think Miliband’s point is that the metaphor as well as the actuality was damaging. Perhaps governments should eschew such language altogether?

  10. Mark

    Update: Speculation that Barack Obama will also be retiring the phrase “war on terror”.

  11. joe2

    “Perhaps governments should eschew such language altogether?”

    Wow, wouldn’t that be the great leap forward?

    Maybe an end to the “war on drugs” is on the cards as well. Obama may well have an interest in doing something about the expensive and failed American prison system that holds black and drug related inmates out of all proportion to any other race or ‘crime’.

  12. Shaun

    Could the Rudd government “kill its way out of the problems of” unemployment, or whaling, for example?

    They could but it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.

  13. Craig Mc

    I’m sure terrorists the world over are alarmed by this semantic debate. Also, I’m sure there was more to Petraeus’ success in Iraq than just killing, but there was definitely killing, in some war-like process involving terrorist targets.

  14. Ambigulous

    Mr Milliband makes sense. As a Cold War hobbyist, I still can’t get over the fact that his paternal ancestor was an active Marxist writer. Editing the “Socialist Register” was it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Miliband

    Anyway, the acts of the father should not be visited upon the son.

  15. joe2

    “I’m sure terrorists the world over are alarmed by this semantic debate.”

    Oh how incredibly droll, Craig Mc.
    It’s just so important to have all the bad guys with the right black hat on isn’t it?

  16. Nickws

    The “war on (insert problem du jour)” terminology has been commandeered repeatedly by Kevin Rudd to describe numerous policy responses, even when the issues involved were relatively mundane

    Most spectacularly when Kevvie went back in time to get Dick Nixon to declare a War On Drugs, and LBJ to declare a War On Poverty.

    Those who can’t remember history are doomed to live in a Groudhogs Day of Andrew Bolt commentary, eh Tony of South Yarra?

  17. mars08

    Outstanding!

    Over a million Iraqi dead, 5 million displaced and an infrastructure in ruins…

    But, in return, the British govt manages to (sort of) learn a valuable lesson.

    That’s nice.

  18. Paul Burns

    All governments involved in the current Afghan War could learn a valuable lesson by examinging what happened to the Brits in the 1840s and the Soviets in the 1970s. But they won’t. So they’re fighting the same old bandit war all over again. Calling it a war on terror obscures this unpalatable fact.

  19. Ambigulous

    Paul Burns,

    Think of the spin. “Bandit war” might excite the 8-14 year old boys, but they aren’t voters. The rest of the populace might be troubled by wondering who, precisely, are the “bandits”?

    And then Viscount Turnbull could assail Kevin as a “Bandit Bandicoot” in Parliament.

  20. Paul Burns

    Well, Ambi, I was thinking of the truth, or something approximating it. But, yeah, that’s a silly thing to expect of governments.

  21. Ambigulous

    My apologies, Paul.

    How easy it is to slip into the politician’s way of looking at things, rather than to aspire to know and understand and speak the truth.

    How foolish I am.

  22. Paul Burns

    Not at all I feel the same way about politicians and far too easily slip into cynicism.

  23. Katz

    The trouble is, of course, that the ham-fistedness of the US led forces in Afghanistan has helped to cause this:

    The more we lump terrorist groups together and draw the battle lines as a simple binary struggle between moderates and extremists, or good and evil, the more we play into the hands of those seeking to unify groups with little in common.

    And this misstates the reality of the situation:

    Terrorist groups need to be tackled at root, interdicting flows of weapons and finance, exposing the shallowness of their claims, channelling their followers into democratic politics.

    Miliband clearly seeks to deny the fact that the Taliban, as representatives of Pashtun identity, are just the most recent manifestation of a longstanding tradition of resistance to foreign intrusion into Afghanistan. The roots of this resistance are deep and enduring, not “shallow”.

    Now that the US-led coalition has decided to forego a democratising mission in favour of the “realism” of imposing a friendly, stable government in Kabul, the Coalition now has disqualified itself as carriers of Bush’s quixotic torch. The Coalition is no longerinterested in “Afghan democracy”.

  24. Tony D

    The War On Terror was always a propaganda line lol. An attempt to have people believe that combat/conflict between a state-military machine and a non-state irregulars constitutes a ‘war’ (e.g. IDF vs HAMAS). Previously the Pentagon refered to such conflicts as OOTW’s – Operations Other Than War.

    If it’s a war, not a OOTW (or LIC), that enables the US Commander-In-Chief to have his say on how things should be done, invoke war powers etc. Also, framing – ‘War in Iraq’ vs ‘Occupation of Iraq’ – better PR and all that, more acceptable to voters etc.

  25. Jenny

    Craig Mc @ 13

    I’m sure terrorists the world over are alarmed by this semantic debate. Also, I’m sure there was more to Petraeus’ success in Iraq than just killing, but there was definitely killing, in some war-like process involving terrorist targets.

    The unprovoked war on Iraq had nothing to do with the so-called war on terror, other than providing a useful arena for any terrorists wanting to wage war on Americans.

  26. Hal9000

    One thing the Bush II regime can claim as an achievement has been the draining of all meaning from a range of words, among which are ‘freedom’ and ‘terror(ist)’. They’ve also given new and sinister meanings to other words, like ‘enhanced’ as a qualifier for ‘interrogation techniques’ but that’s another story.

    ‘Terror’ is what the enemy de jour does, no more and no less. Dropping and firing thousands of tonnes of quality munitions on the giant slum of Gaza with the avowed and frequently reiterated intention of terrifying the population into accepting their miserable lot isn’t ‘terror’, but any armed resistance to the siege apparently is. Back when the Spanish were doing it to Napoleon’s lads the term for today’s ‘terrorists’ used to be ‘irregulars’. During the Cold War they were ‘guerrillas’. It’s what an occupied population does to the occupiers. The ‘terrorists’ used to be those privateers like Baader Meinhof or the Japanese Red Army who were trying to give domestic politics a kick along by violent acts. The label was certainly pinned on the Jewish gangs in mandatory Palestine, but they’ve been rehabilitated as peace-loving politicians, so that’s all right. The armed opponents of foreign forces in Afghanistan are the same people, indeed often the same individuals, who were formerly dubbed Freedom Fighters (see Rambo III, a movie rarely screened on free-to-air tv these days) and whose arms and training was paid for by the US taxpayer.

    It seems to me there were two objectives in naming the myriad violent actions of the US military in foreign parts the Global War on Terror. The first, and perhaps most important, was to remove any procedural fetters to executive fiat in undertaking military action by creating a fog of vagueness around what exactly this war consisted of. The second was to identify those who were to be fought as black hat wearers, evildoers who must be killed. The ease with which young American soldiers were persuaded to engage in perpetrating unspeakable acts of torment upon prisoners in their power suggests this objective was also achieved. This went well beyond the well-known images from Abu Graib – all those released from the new gulag speak of beatings and the like being administered by many personnel while prisoners were hooded and shackled.

    The very success achieved in transforming the US military into a force capable of almost any act of barbarity has meant that the term must now be jettisoned. Those few acts that have been publicised have led to shame and revulsion among decent people, and the widespread suspicion that there is much worse, but that information has been successfully suppressed. This was a significant factor in Obama’s election, something of which he must be aware.

    The language is in flux with the inauguration of a new US administration. I await with interest the euphemistic neologisms that will be justifying the Afghan conflict in 2012.

  27. Behemoth

    A typically elegantly eloquent rave from you there Hal9000.

    I only have one problem with it. Your assumption of America exceptionalism. Every power that can exercise dominion over others throughout human history has carried on like that. And been equally hypocritical about it.

    Of course that shouldn’t us stop from wagging a finger at the Yanks. But remember for every finger you wag, four fingers wag back. Hang on, how do you wag fingers back? OK, I meant pointing. Stop wagging that finger at me. Point taken, you wag?

    At this point I should probably rejig my net de plume again to James Jesus Angleton. Or have I already?

  28. Hal9000

    I didn’t intend to endorse American exceptionalism, Behemoth, just to observe its many contradictions. And indeed to wag that finger!

  29. professor rat

    And do you wag yr finger at me sir?

    I serve as good a master as you sir.