The topic of “hot rock” geothermal energy has been covered a number of times in LP, the first being this post by Steve Edney back in 2006. Australia has little volcanically hot rocks close to the surface; however, in some parts of Australia, rocks kilometres below the surface are nice and toasty; warm enough to spin a steam turbine for electricity generation. All you need to do is drill a couple of holes down to it, either find or create some fractures between the holes, and circulate water through the hot rock. Simple, straightforward, and unlike just about every other form of clean energy out there, reliable and predictable. So it’s not surprising a number of companies have been looking to exploit this resource, one of the most promising sources of clean energy for Australia.
As far as I know, the furthest along is Geodynamics, who announced last week that they had achieved a “proof of concept”; while they didn’t actually generate any power, they circulated water through a pair of bores and monitored the temperature, enough to show that the bores could supply sufficiently hot water, for a long enough time, to run a pilot-scale power plant for years without an appreciable (and efficiency-sapping) drop in the water temperature. As a small shareholder in Geodynamics, I’m extremely pleased that this has finally been achieved. But the Geodynamics experience shows the importance of taking grand plans for innovative renewable energy technologies with large doses of salt. It always takes much longer, and costs a lot more money, than the early press releases claim, and many don’t make it through.
In Geodynamics’ case, if you have a look at their 2003 annual report, they predicted that they’d reach this stage by mid-2004, roughly 12 months after the annual report was produced. Instead, it’s taken nearly six years. There’s been all manner of setbacks along the way – as this 2007 4 Corners report explains a contractor dropped equipment down a well and it proved impossible to retrieve. At the time, the commodities boom meant that there simply wasn’t another drilling rig available, so the company waited more than year, and ended up spending tens of millions of dollars on purchasing their own drilling rig. But it’s hardly the only problem they’ve had to overcome along the way. And, in many ways, Geodynamics is pursuing relatively simple technology. They’re not inventing anything; their drilling rigs are straight from the oil industry, and the turbines are fairly standard technology purchased from elsewhere. But, still, even getting to “proof of concept” has been much slower and costlier than they claimed in the early phases of their company.
I still happen to think that HFR geothermal energy has a real future here in Australia, and Geodynamics are as likely as anybody to make a go of it, otherwise I’d sell my shares. But what it does show is the gap between rhetoric and reality for the clean energy sector – particularly in terms of its ability, right now, to start replacing large chunks of fossil fuel power – is real, and substantial. I think it’d help discussion greatly if the difference between “sounds good in the press release” and “we’re ready to deploy at bulk scale” was acknowledged more often and applied to all prospective energy generation technologies.
I agree. Of course, ideally we’d also have the whole energy sector reporting actual costs rather than what they can get away with, and especially not counting “lobbying for favourable treatment” as a legitimate cost reduction strategy.
Some of it I really think is that to date much of the low-carbon energy research is being done on a least-cost basis, rather than a best-time basis. So you get minor accidents causing huge delays because the funding isn’t there to avoid the delay. Presumably they didn’t have a timeline that went “wait for GFC” but now that that has happened there should be more equipment available more cheaply.
Ach, too true, Rob! Pity, eh? If only there had been more money available.
Let’s just hope the progress (renewables in general) speeds up a bit… orders of magnitude, really.
I remember going to a PESA lunchtime presentation by the director of Geodynamics in about 2002, when I worked for an oil company. He was attempted to drum up some capital, but most of the geoscientists at the meeting were pretty sceptical. (I thought it sounded pretty good.)
I didn’t have any spare money at the time, or I probably would have bought some shares, but I have subsequently bought some in Petratherm, who are nowhere near as well advanced. Still, I think both companies will succeed in the long term.
I take your point about the boundless optimism that promoters of new technology exhibit, though.
I am also a long term holder of GDY and I agree it has been frustrating… mostly due to the technical balls-ups that seemed to occur almost monthly.
I think that two Australian Geothermals will get there before GDY. PTR and GRK are well along the path. But regardless it is very interesting to see that Geothermal – Hot Dry Rock, is regarded as being one of the first of the “base load” alternatives to be deployed.
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and that Geothermal (HDR) is amongst the lowest cost ($/MWh)
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As Australia is leading the world in the development of HDR, and as we have the world’s hottest rocks nestled under the required insulator, not to mention two companies that have found hot rocks bathed by superheated brine reservoirs only a couple of kilometeres deep, it will pay to keep a watchful eye on our ASX listed Geothermal players…. many of whom have been making interesting moves over the past months.
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This particular enterprise is in the national interest, and it is a disgrace that it is left to stuggle on, on the meagerest of funding. This is the Howard way of doing business. Starve those with enterprise and energy to make cheap pickings for those with resources but no ideas if the enterprise proves successful. This business has to carry oil industry costs without the prospect of oil industry returns. Electricity industry returns are thin by comparison to oil. The main advantage that geothermal has is that they are best placed to turn up the heat and cash in on those days when all other energy generators are off line or overstretched. As we blast into a whole new energy reality this competitive tussle is not the best national interest model in a world where investment will be determined by strategic need rather than “making a quick buck”. The new energy reality will take us back a little in time to where the NSW government bought up all the NSW coal reserves in order to secure the state’s low cost energy advantage, a move that has stood Australia in good stead on the international stage. It is time the Rudd government showed some backbone and took a decisive postion on renewable and truly-clean energy.
I too have been wondering what difference it would have made if GDY had access to serious money. I was thinking of asking someone, but I would hate to give the impression that I was in a position offer such funds.
What would it take to make the government aware that this is at least as important as broadband? Is there anything we can do?
Just for the record, GDY and all of the other geothermal startups are small-cap, highly risky investments with no cash flow, let alone profits. Anybody investing in them is doing so on potential, and stands a pretty good chance of doing their entire investment.
If you don’t know what you’re doing, pay a professional to advise you.
Robert, Atlantis Resources Corporation are apparently ready to build a 150MW tidal electricity plant off the coast of Scotland. And wind in Europe, as we know, is at commercially competitive levels already. So I would say that renewable energy across the spectrum is closer to large-scale roll-out than, say, CCS.
Robert, I’ve fixed the “proof of concept” link which was broken. Not sure what was wrong with it.
There are all sorts of reasons why a good idea doesn’t end up being commercial and the caution @ 7 is appropriate. I’ve still got my small bundle of shares, so here’s hoping.
I think the drilling rig cost $30 million and weighed 900 tonnes from memory. Also from memory, I think the Govt was budgeting about $50 mill to help with drilling costs, presumably to be shared by all companies. Also I seem to remember that GDY was now purchasing a number of rigs as I guess they need to dig a lot of holes as they scale up. I wonder how long one spot will last before the heat is exhausted.
I believe that AGL has a 30% stake, and I think Tato is in there as well.
Brian, apparently the sites will last hundreds of years … the granite down there is several hundred degrees
Ben there’s statement in the “proof of concept” blurb that says they can get 40MW of heat for 20 years from the one hole with a temperature reduction of only 5C. At least that’s what I think it says. If so, sounds good!
Where are these sites located?
It is one thing to generate electricity in the middle of nowhere. It would than need to be connected into the grid.
Requires capital to build the wires and then has large losses of energy when operating.
May not be able to compete with the coal stations with their free permits to pollute.
Mr T, Geodynamics need to build transmission lines to get their power to the grid. That’s part of their business plan. But it won’t come cheap. On the other hand, if we had a price for carbon that reflected the true cost to the atmosphere …
Better yet, Ben and Mr T, how about the Government uses some of the emissions trading revenue to build the grid out to them? That old conservative economist, Prof Garnaut suggested that, as have many greenies. If governments can build broadband networks, and if governments built the grid to suit coal, shouldn’t governments also now rebuild the grid to suit the big renewables???
Remember, the government is us. It is by us, for us. The grid is in our interests, so we, the government, should do this for our national community benefit.
Geodynamics is near Innamincka (population 12, I think) which is going to be supplied by a one MW power station gratis which will also power the drilling site.
I understand they reckon they can build the grid connection themselves and be competitive, but I’m sure they could do with a bit of help.
One of the other projects is in the Flinders Ranges, but I can’t remember which.
That’d probably be Petratherm, Brian. They’re planning on selling their electricity to the Beverley uranium mine.
Yes, Ben10 (sorry), but the $64×10^9 question whether the fracture networks will continue to stay permeable throughout the granite volume at depths of 4 km plus. If all the fluid ends up being channelled through relatively few conduits, the granite immediately adjacent to those conduits is going to cool pretty quickly.
‘This success follows the completion of the closed loop test, and analysis and
independent validation of the results. The results of the closed loop test were
successful, confirming the previously established large size of the Habanero
stimulated reservoir. Modelling of wells theoretically located at the extremities of the
Habanero stimulated zone showed that the wells would be capable of extracting
more than 40 megawatts thermal for over 20 years with only a 5°C temperature
draw-down for circulation rates higher than 70 kg per second. Circulation rates during
closed loop testing between Habanero 1 and 3 reached a maximum of 15.5 kg per
second from a single stimulated zone. Production rates of 25 kg per second have
been achieved from Habanero 3. Although these flow rates have not approached 70
kg per second at this time, the results are an indication of the heat capacity of the
reservoir.’
Elements of Proof of Concept
In achieving Proof of Concept the company has demonstrated the following key
elements:
• Resource definition
• Ability to drill and complete wells
• Ability to hydraulically stimulate fractures
• Ability to develop a substantial reservoir volume
• Achievement of well productivity and injectivity
• Confirming fluid circulation between production and injection wells
• Forecasting resource degradation
• Mitigation of currently identified operational constraints
• Absence of adverse environmental impacts
RM: “If you don’t know what you’re doing, pay a professional to advise you” ….As in Bonnie Bernie Madoff? Good to see all that earnest pedal pushing and contemplation of basket use-cases hasn’t diminished your sense or irony there Robert, tres mordant.
…. Geothermal, the red flannel energy underware which forward-planning economies won’t be seen dead not wearing, if they possibly can…. Such interesting geopolitics implied…. Can there be a “The Saudis of Geothermal”; if so, how can Current Capital devise such a self-serving oligarchy, considering the nature of the geothermal product beast means it doesn’t have the same easy facility for direct trade/export as the other fossil fuels it is meant to replace – you can’t just dig up, ship out, and flog off gigatonnes of hot rock to folks who don’t have any – can you bottle geothermal for export? Or does it just mean that it’s the in-situ GeoThermalResource-rich who will capture the lions’ market-share of any energy-intensive industries of the future? As in the use-case premise of another thread, Iceland being paradigmatic host for the world’s server-based IT infrastructure.
I imagine with Mt St Helen’s's and Old Faithfuls, the US of A has a fortunate reserve of easily accessible carbon-free steam sources, so they’ll plomp for a GeoThermalResource investment focus, then they at least stand a chance of staying a player. But New Zealand as a world power? How do we here on this solid rock of ancient ground girt by sea stand vis a vis GTR’s? ( Ah the Torana XU1, what gloriously simple days of good clean environment destroying fun they were)
But guess who around this neck of the geopolitical woods has really got really shit loads of really shallowly accessible really hot rock, and whose government-associated firms ( I use the term loosely), has been really busy drilling exploratory wells, and regularly coming up trumps? Krakatoa ring a bell? Has there ever been a more welcoming bosom for the unimpeded-by-ecological-concern mining industry, (or any other for that matter), than our Immediately Near Northern Neighbor, and I don’t mean East Timor. Talk about money for jam.
There’s a certain elegance to Saudi Oil Money bankrolling the new Indonesian Eco Economy shebang, what with them worshipping the same Denominations of God, and I don’t mean just Mamon. Never could so many Islo-dollars, gathered for so long, by so few, have served so many Moslems, so soon, as via GTR investment: there’s an inescapable internal logic and ethics to it. Yes folks, Big G. geothermal is awash with Sharia-compliant green-hedge investment dollars. An irony is it’s an Israeli company making the killing out of manufacturing the engineering bits and pieces that is making it all possible. And we are gonna pay Indonesia to not continue to cut down it’s forests as our way of greening our economy? They whom the Gods will destroy, first they will have a good chuckle at our amusing ways.
Danny: fair point. I was just trying to make absolutely clear to people that investing in companies like Geodynamics is a massive punt.
The Geodynamics project at Innaminka blew up and has been gushing steam, project halted indefinitely.
The next closest project is south from there and is the Paralana Project run by Petratherm and Beach Petroleum. This is not likely to come to fruition either. A lot of millions pumped in by the government but not a lot of planning or foresight it seems.
Paralana was looking to supply electricity to the expanded beverley uranium mine, but Native Title issues may see that mine closed, there is more of this on the Coober Pedy Times site:
http://cooberpedyregionaltimes.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/beverley-4-mile-closure-demand-as-miners-jump-the-gun/
Geothermal may have a future, but I dont see Australia as having the water to spare or the locations close enough to the grid. Solar and wind is still looking better, but we need to look at why the tech is not available here and we need to look at the issues of privatised energy utilities, and work out a model of reduced consumption.
Jeff@22
Isn’t this sitting on top of the Great Victoria Basin?
Could most of the water simply be recycled (by capturing it as it cooled and reusing it)?
Jeff, water is not the issue.
Grid proximity is, but that’s a question of whether it’s worth applying sufficient money to the problem of bringing the grid to the geothermal sources.
Danny @20: “There’s a certain elegance to Saudi Oil Money bankrolling the new Indonesian Eco Economy shebang…”
I’m not sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Saudi Aramco is a JV partner or some such in Indonesian hot rocks? Hope I misunderstood.
I’d be deeply suspicious of Saudi Aramco getting mixed up in a product which undercuts their main market. Sounds like they are up to something.
Only a few years back they were hunting around for someone to do a business study on “how to ensure oil is the fuel of choice” or words to that effect. This isn’t hearsay, by the way, as one of their senior strategy guys spoke to me about it.
Saudi Aramco have heaps of oil and heaps of gas. They would be categorically NOT in the business of reducing demand for these goods. They would be more likely trying to find out enough about it to undermine it somehow.
OK, call me suspicious, but it smells really odd. Maybe I misunderstood Danny?
I seem to recal people talking about hot rocks in the hunter valley when the idea was being bandied around many years ago so the gridline/isolation issues may go away. Not so sure about some of geological issues. Variations from location to location and the behaviour of water, cracks etc. may eat into some of the claimed competitveness.
It may make more sense to focus on combining solar thermal with molten salt heat storage. Allows generators to be located on the electric grid, avoids geological risk and could be used to augment fossil fuel fired power stations.
Also keep in mind that we can install quite a bit of wind, wave, tidal or solar power before it becomes necessary to use clean bas power.
I quite agree John D@26 Let’s do this first and do all the energy efficiencies we can and then as we get an idea what we absolutely need work from there.
I also think if we work on our storage technologies we will need a lot less installed capacity.
We have massive untapped potential in solar thermal, tidal and wave and with pumped storage and V2G and molten salt and vanadium flow batteries and of course NG as backstop we ought to be able to cover pretty much everything
Robert,
To say water is not the issue is quite wrong…and as the first case business plan of Petratherm is to supply 4 Mile Creek with power, the business has failed already as that customer will not come to fruition at all. If you follow the business pages you will see this dead horse (Petratherm) is being flogged to all and sundry that will listen – the latest is Citi – the US are not so dull as to not do due diligence research on the false approval processes and illegalities surrounding Beverley and 4 Mile Creek Uranium Mines.
Geothermal is a fuzz word that has no demonstrated success globally and the oil company drilling now is doomed to failure on many counts, but on the most simple level it has failed by choosing a controversial and illegal uranium mine to build success – poor strategy indeed. As well the development site is on sacred grounds in proximity to the Paralana Springs, that spring is monitored – the moment the company damages this ancient spring and aquifer it will be in the courts just like their number 1 customer General Atomic is.
Ethical Investment Australia pulled out of this only recently as well, thus the capital raising roadshow. People are waking up to the high death rates in the communities affected by the uranium mines and the illegalities of the Native Title system are being explored in the courts which will by necessity require the closing of many mines across Australia, and a well informed investor would know this anyway – in the long term, the market does correct – unfortunately people suffer through corruption and community division prior to that, but this is what we have seen over the course of history.
Robert, there was no proper process of approval or examination of the US ISL mine (Beverley) that Petratherm hinges its success. Its a hot can of worms and the issues pertaining to aquifer recovery and management of solution waste will be become a major issue for the local people and SA government. Has anyone sued the General? Answer, Yes, but do they have a bond lodged with SA for the reparation of the land and aquifer system? Answer – No? – which means at the end of the day it will be the people vs the state – which will be found negligent in its basic duty of care – and will therefore have to settle out of court with the General or drag the General into court using the evidence of many breaches of the Company Act and the Criminal Code of Law in this country.
Its no surprise ISL is banned in the US…they have plenty of locations fingered to conduct their dirty business, dirty bombs and dirty politics…the point is that any business pretending to be ‘clean’ should not as a matter of business success associate and ally with such ‘stinkers’.
Have to agree robert, did you see the Petratherm announce today, this industry has been and continues to be a disaster…
“The Company is unable to comment at this early stage on the significance of the inflows because the source and nature of the inflows will not be clear until after planned wire line logs have been completed and analyzed. The logs are planned to be conducted in the deeper part of the well, after the termination of drilling.”
This is a clear indication that this operation would do well to cease now. Given that the operation is adjacent to an operating ISL Uranium Mine….this lack of knowledge presents a dangerous situation for a/ the further contamination of ground water in the area and b/ potential irreversible damage to the Paralana underground water system feeding the Paralana spring.
Ethical Investment Australia was wise to withdraw from this shabby operation and any considered investors would do well to pull out as well, it appears this these cowboys are going to blow their own ( and others) money leaving the government to repair the damage which should never have been subsidized.
Robin Batterham gave a Press Club address today, where he was commenting on new technology. Wearing his “President of Academy of Science & Tech” hat over the top of his RioTinto chief scientist hat. Assuring us that he had internal chinese walls, so there was no conflicts of interest…!!!
Batterham didn’t specifically mention geothermal, or indeed any specific technologies without prompting from the audience. Second thoughts, he did give favourable mention to coal and nuclear power, which happen to use RioTinto commodities.
Nevertheless, Batterham did highlight a few questions, such as the world needing 50% extra of: food, water, and energy by 2050 to feed all the extra mouths. He pointed out that this could be difficult while simultaneously trying to reduce emissions.
The other noteworthy effort was likening investment in new technology to horse racing:
“Picking Winners is Worth a Go”
“Pick more than one, to improve your odds of winning”
“Governments don’t like picking winners…but they should, to reduce the risks for early investors!”
I can just see Rudd as a punter. Wot you reckon?!!!
‘Petratherm encountered indications of permeable zones at the Paralana 2 deep injector well and the presence of geothermal fluids flowing into the well..The company said it appears to have occurred at various zones between the depths of 3,690m and 3,864m. The mud weight to control the inflows and allow drilling to continue was progressively increased over a period of five days and is currently being conditioned prior to drilling..”
‘Indications of permable zones’? ‘geothermal fluids’? ‘Currently being conditioned’?
Is that all code for
“She’s breakin’ up Cap’n.. I can’t hold her together much longer”
Danny @31, I dunno Danny.
Maybe permeable zones can be used to pump fluid through the rock more easily, and thus generate steam? If they didn’t find any permeable zones to inject into, then they would have to fracture the rock (hydraulic fracturing) all the way from the injection well to the production well. That costs extra $$$.
Petroleum companies have to change their mud weight while drilling also.
Mud conditioning isn’t so bad either. One definition of mud conditioning: “(petroleum engineering) In a well drilling operation, the treatment and control of drilling mud to ensure proper gel strength, viscosity, density and so on.”
Petroleum companies also use wireline logs – quite a routine practice to work out various things about the rock properties and the flow of fluids from different parts of the well. You would be more worried if they weren’t doing these tests, because that might indicate cowboys who are just burning investors money without intention to create a real business.
I’d be more worried about sharesharks quote “ISL Uranium Mine….this lack of knowledge presents a dangerous situation for a/ the further contamination of ground water in the area and b/ potential irreversible damage to the Paralana underground water system feeding the Paralana spring.”
Then I’d be ceasing investment in the uranium mine rather than the geothermal operation. Leakage of uranium which might contaminate the groundwater. The geothermal operation would only be responsible for injection of cold water.
Unless of course Petratherm were using hydraulic fracturing, and fractured into the uranium resource. The uranium company would probably also have something to say, if that were the case.
Second thoughts on @30, Rudd has indeed been punting a huge chunk on “Clean Coal”/CCS.
And he hasn’t been “hedging his bets” by putting equal amounts into other technologies. Not a good punter then, by Batterham’s definition?
Betterham’s comments about the government “picking winners to reduce the risks for early investors” probably dovetails nicely with the reluctance of the coal lobby to put their own hard-earned into “Clean Coal”. Who pays Batterham’s salary again?
Danny/Elise
“She’s breakin’ up Cap’n.. I can’t hold her together much longer” ( not far off!)
This Petratherm mob is a startup, stringing out money from whoever they can.
The last desperate ditch was CITI, who are on shaky grounds themselves.
Ferguson of course has handed over cash as well under ‘renewables’, only problem is damaged and poisoned land is not renewable, as we know from the ISL class actions in the US, the after effects last decades and the last is rendered barren,
Its an oil rig operated by more cowboys, Beach Petroleum.
This project is doomed financially because the 4 Mile Creek and Beverley mines are built on an illegal and shaky house of cards which are still before the courts…the modern share trader should be a bit more savvy and do their homework like Ethical Australia did. History will record the mining ops in that zone as grave errors, not least because they are sacred grounds ( and no not of the Adnyamathana – they are a recent amalgamation) and note Geothermal does not fit the criteria of mining so is even exempt from the corrupt processes of Native Title)
Bad government is what Australia is experiencing, future costs have been set aside because governance has gone out the window, and the likes of Neil Blue ( General Atomic) are no doubt part of this process of corrupting what is after all a government which has no recorded legitimate rights over these lands.
Spin the time wheel ahead 10 years and NOTHING will come of this dodgy operation – except a deep hole in the ground, but in the meanwhile a lot of energy and public funds are wasted because of the PR rhetoric coming from Canberra and SA INC.
And in terms of the mysterious influx of fluid…another reason to be VERY concerned is that these operations depend on high pressure water being pumped back in to the well ( fracking) to create the fracturing, that enables the heat exchange to occur. So, given the lack of knowledge/science, if these crazy heads proceeded with fracking, the pressure will force the fracking liquid from whence the incursion originated, and as I said this is adjacent to an ISL mine which is a poison pit of radioactive fluid, so I guess one does not need to be Einstein to understand why this ‘mine’ should never have been approved – its MADNESS! And no I don’t actually work for the company and I am not a disgruntled employeee but I have spoken to Industry insiders about these very real dangers.
This sorry tale highlights the risks of any process that depends on pumping high pressure gases or liquids down a deep hole without significant leaking out or into the hole on the way down. It also highlights the risks associated with predicting how the target zone will behave. Both these issues are risks for both geothermal and and CO2 sequestration.
The first time I heard of hot rock geothermal they were talking about the Hunter Valley. The project risks would be a lot lower if it were located close to the existing power grid instead of requiring a major new power line to get the power used. Perhaps some effort should have been made first to find a more practical location.
The other problem with geothermal is that, like CO2 sequestration,the process depends on knowing
Correct John, and Petratherm don’t KNOW and are using federal and state funds on a random punt which in this case will fail…its a poor business model and we still don’t know who will pay for the post punt clean up…the companies and shareholders that lose out on this Petratherm deal will learn a valuable lesson..one hopes!
Bugger! Does that mean I might as well kiss my $500 goodbye, shareshark?
It’s lucky I didn’t take “advantage” of their recent share offer to existing shareholders, then.
Petratherm and geodynmics have both been blessed by martin ferguson
“4 projects have been awarded funding totalling $235 million through the Federal Government’s Renewable Energy Demonstration Program (REDP).
The four projects will deliver almost 80 MW of new renewable generation from wave technology, geothermal sources, and an integrated mini-grid project involving wind, solar, biodiesel and storage technologies.
The four successful companies are MNGI Pty Ltd (Petratherm), Geodynamics Pty Ltd, Victorian Wave Partners Pty Ltd and the Hydro-Electric Corporation (Hydro Tasmania).”
Is a blessing by M Ferguson necessarily a gift from God?
When Petratherm is supported by major cashed up consortia is this wise use of government expenditure?
Will Ferguson be equally generous in assisting the clean up of the poisoned aquifers and land. Will this be Ferguson’s downfall, when the project fails and the penny hits the ground?
And David above, money is not everything is you probably know. If you care to study the history of the Adnyamathana people and examine the mortality rate of this clan in recent years – Beverley royalties provides grog money but not much more – you will be relieved you let that one go through to the keeper.
If you examine the proposals you will also find the project supports transmission lines through the Flinders Ranges, the most beautiful and ancient part of Australia, is spoiling this great land worth the effort, to provide electricity to consumers addicted to nonsense consumerism, the plasma screen TV.
Its all fine, its part of the program, its not right or wrong, but when the project is connected to the toxic nuclear industry and is wasteful of scarce water in arid lands, it excites me not.
Its a powerful area, homeland originally of some very canny and powerful clans who bore witness to time shifting events – ( please ignore the ranges signs and interpretations at Chambers gorge and just BE there and you will see) this project must hold some purpose in the unraveling of our psychic obsession with energy, but as the ancestors recorded, it will all soon turn to dust, and those that are disrespecting the area may not be so prepared for the higher levels of consciousness that cyclically revisit spaceship earth, and the Fergusons and Petratherms of the world will no longer matter, and lessons will be learned.
shareshark @ 40:
Ah, yes – the good old higher levels of consciousness!
Spoken like a true leftist nutter.
“Spoken like a true leftist nutter.”
Peter you are a prime specimen of larval slime…when you catch up with the rest of humanity we should chat about the wheel and its many uses!
Actually, shareshark, I heard someone claiming to be Marn Fersn on the radio the other day, I think talking about the recent oil leak. I understood nearly every word, and some of it actually made sense, so my question to the ALP is, “Who was that, and what have you done with the real Marn?”