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13 responses to “Wilkins ice bridge shatters”

  1. Jack Strocchi

    I pointed this out on Deltoid about nine months ago. What took you so long?

    Not so long ago I did a google search on polar melting. This BBC article dated Thursday, 27 December, 2001, 20:16 GMT came up with the following reassuring heading: Low probability of ice collapse:

    Scientists think there is just a one in 20 chance that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) will collapse in the next 200 years…The 5% probability of disintegration has been worked out by researchers commissioned by the British Government.

    Compare that rosy scenario to the March 2008 video of the collapsing Wilkins ice shelf, located in West Antactica.

  2. Roger Jones

    Excellent post and update Brian. Thanks for your great job with the graphics.

    Meanwhile, I notice Crikey has joined the Opposition Organ’s War on Science. This is a dog whistle – the situation of higher visible risks and inaction are both true, not either/or. Some of the phrasing in Sandilands article, suggesting that Wilkins does not set another precedent, is very similar to the OO’s mutterings over the weekend (Covered at Deltoid)

  3. Danny

    Bracket this one with the methane release from the tundra.

    … Yes, but what’s really happening, as in the Boltoid version of reality? I’m noy going their

    What will it take for the iceshelf of denial in their minds to crack and get with the program? Or is it that an exposed landmass of Antarctica would be a plus for them, just another seaside property speculation opportunity: the Estate Development at the End of the Planet, for those who’ve had everything else, spectacular views of iceburgs forming as the glaciers slip into the sea, and f–k you air conditioning to take the nip out of the air in the bars and spas and viewing terraces.
    Imagine if the super rich decided they could get off on being a force for good, and got competitive about it. Clive Palmer reckons he’s got 6.5 billion: He could probably finance enough renewable energy capacity to power the nation’s hospitals and essential services at least. 3 billion would get a gigawatt up with Ausra steam and mirrors technology, a 40th of the national energy drain, and he’d still have his glass more than half full. But philanthropy doesn’t stroke the ego like owning a footie team

  4. Peter Kemp

    Well done Brian, I am in awe at your merticulous dedication to matters in relation to global warming. In my field, arguments approaching proof “beyond reasonable doubt” :-)

  5. Brian

    Peter, there’s a lot I don’t know and I sometimes stuff up. But thanks.

    Roger, thanks too, I value your opinion so please straighten us out as required. The graphics take time, but I think they help our understanding a lot. Most of them have to be resized, to be made smaller than the originals that download. But I like to post them larger than some people so we can see the detail.

    The Sandilands thing at Crikey is curious. Reading through the comments he says he is on board with AGW but sees the Wilkins thing as perfectly natural, definitely no AGW involved, (a very brave call!) and a distraction. Some of the scientists he said were “prostituting themselves” showed up in comments to indicate that they were not amused.

    The SMH article he complained about did quite a good job, I thought.

  6. Brian

    To be honest Danny @ 3, I suspect that bracketing the Wilkins ice bridge collapse as such with methane release from the tundra is overcooking the event a bit. But certainly it is not a random event in the normal course of affairs in that part of the world as claimed at Crikey. It’s one step along the way. Prof Naish in the Dominion Post put it nicely:

    Our deep time records tell us that these ice shelves are the early warning signals; when they go, then we see quite dramatic and unstable changes in the ice sheets and glaciers feeding them.”

    So it’s the whole sequence of collapses that is the warning signal.

  7. grace pettigrew

    What strikes me visually is the lack of balance in the ice across the south pole. If the west melts, and the east increases, and the ice on the north pole all goes, then do we get an axis tilt or wobble? I know, probably a silly question…

  8. Brian

    grace, I really wouldn’t know, but I suspect that it would be negligible. The average depth of the ocean is 3.6 km I think and that in relation to the earth’s diametre at about 12,700 km is quite small. A sea level change of 5 meters for the WAIS and 7 meters for Greenland is not going to matter much I suspect.

  9. David Irving (no relation)

    Actually grace and Brian, I recently read something (which I’m too lazy to chase up) by, I think, some French geodesists claiming that if the Greenland or Antarctic icecaps melted it would cause small but measurable changes to the earth’s orbit.

  10. chrisl

    Brian: If you did an experiment where you put a large block of ice into a container of water and raised the temperature of the water by between 0.7 and 2 degrees would the ice a) split along a straight line or b) melt around the edges?

    They actually did this experiment on a documentary about the iceberg that sank the titanic.The iceberg started it’s journey 15,000 years ago as snow and slowly made its way to the sea. At about the time the first steel structure was being put together for the Titanic, the iceberg broke free in the fiord in Greenland. They collided 3 years later and within 2-3 months the ice berg was gone completely.

  11. Brian

    chrisl, I only did science at school so I’ll leave the experiments to the scientists.

    David, presumably we were not to be alarmed or you would remember it perfectly.

  12. Brian

    Jack S @ 1, what took me so long was that it was the Wilkins ice bridge that collapsed on 5 April, 2009. Still the video you link to has the same footage shown recently, but better quality, I think, showing that I was right in thinking that the close-up video footage used to illustrate the ice bridge collapse was in fact old.

  13. John

    The comment that the East Antarctic Ice Shelves are not yet in play is not strictly true, as there were major decreases in area (>50%) in at least the West and Shackleton Ice Shelves in the decades up to the 1960s. The information is not so easy to show (no satellites then, ie no pretty pictures), and is largely hidden away in Russian literature.