Well, here it is – the government’s response to the 2020 summit, all 262 pages of it.
Judging from my quick perusal of the sustainability section, prepare to be underwhelmed. For instance, the fairly uncontroversial proposals on public transport on page 77 – essentially, that government investment should place greater emphasis on public transport and rail freight infrastructure and less on roads – received the ultimate in noncommital “we’ll think about it” responses. The things that the government has unambiguously agreed with seem almost all to be things that they were going to do anyway.
Hmmmmm
so those sceptics who thought the Govt might just pick up the recommendations which matched their likely intentions…… were correct? Who could be surprised?
Did Chairman Kewen promise “new thinking”? Did he cry out for a thousand flowers to bloom, and a multitude of schools of thought to contend? Did he expose the Five Wrongs and extol the Seven Rights?
At least now we can apply our 20-20 hindsight to that 20-20 vision. I must make an appointment with my optometrist – things seem murkier.
It was regarded with enormous skepticism at the time, but with grudging participation. I guess that it wasn’t really viable to completely ignore it, or for everybody to cynically refuse to participate. I didn’t participate, but it doesn’t feel good to be yelling ‘i told you so’ out at everybody else saying the exact same thing.
Perhaps it can be excused as the heady, emotive early steps of a new government, still promising big and and believing their own hype. Hopefully they will behave like a typical government from now on, and not pretend to be so open and consultative and blue sky. Would rather they were underwhelming but honest, instead of underwhelming but full of it.
I note the submissions page no longer gives access to the actual submissions, so the current spin can be validated. I wonder who got the contract for producing this meisterwurk of the technocratic disinformation black arts, Hollowmen Inc? Matrices’R'Us? I love the bit where the the
I don’t suppose anyone had the foresight to archive source files, so we can see where the best and brightest summiteers were out there advocating letting the really big polluters plunder, for their financial gain, any real environmental gains small players might make, meanwhile only aiming for an overall bee’s dick-sized emissions reduction? This is the most Orwellian of governments, there’s no mendacity too big or bold or slimy for these scripture-quoting devils.
Example: as this story is deployed to sucker the punters’ attention, Mar’n Fer’s'n is turning on the tap for yet another way of turning ancient black subterranean qld ( soon to be owned and managed by chinese state capital) into a nice little earner for a cashed up few ( a 12% lift in share price in one day, with more to follow, is money for jam if you have the bread, it’s been a great speculative play over the last 12 months) and vastly more amounts of atmospheric carbon for all of us. And they have the nerve to call it clean technology – now it makes sense why Qld Education Ministers, notably Bligh, spent a decade making sure Qld schoolkids are bottom of the national class in literacy and numeracy, so they’ll like putty.
Robber Baron capitalism is getting away with it under the smokescreen of media-friendly marginalia like 2020. Rudd/Swan, Withers/Bligh and Wilson/Robertson, and their so-called foreign investment review boards and climate offices, are turning a blind eye to China owning, and doing with whatever they like, huge slabs of qld coal tenements, just so a few good ole AWU and CFMEU union boys, yesterday’s men, miners, executives, and party apparatchooks, can have their jobs financed. In return for the favor, China demands, and gets, that we give ‘em as much uranium as they can dig up, and we get Mar’n and the inevitably flooded toxic tailings dams, not to mention the other quotidien environmental imposts of mining. Talk about Faustian bargains.
But we’re supposed to be being beguiled by 2020 nuggets aren’t we, not critiquing actual policy and action.
Almost reads like a script for The Hollowmen.
I can’t see how Rudd seems to think he can stage another one of these – he’s blown whatever credibility they had by producing such a wet response. They set a high expectations and failed to deliver on it. I suspect any future attempt to repeat with will be met with much less enthusiasm.
Of course the problem with this approach is that, no matter how good an idea might be, the fact it gets stewed over for 12+ months gives more than enough time for lobbyists and other apparatchik to move in and swat it out but no voice for those who championed it. Perhaps if there is to be a rerun of this, they need to commit to enact the changes immediately – but somehow I can’t see that happening.
What this also underscores (yet again) is the mismatch between the control freakery and “the Executive Roolz, OK” attitude of too many recent Third Wayish social democratic governments (Keating, Goss, Blair and now Rudd) and the reality that most of today’s most pressing policy problems require more, and more substantial, public participation in the form of deliberative democratic governance and networking.
Kevin is only human. Sometimes he makes mistakes, he freely admits that. Can he question himself on it? Yes. Will he think about it the brief glare of media interest? Yes. Will he create an artificial trinity of questions that he can end with ‘you bet’? You bet.
Obviously Kevin’s Mob can do better. Cate Blanchett will be appointed to the Review of Big Conferences. The Review will report to the government in 24 months after 18 months of travelling public fora. Perhaps there will be a big conference at the start to gather, from the usual suspects, the usual ideas.
The buck stops with Kevin. Except when he’s only human.
Essay for this week:
Discuss how the Government Response to the 2020 summit should be viewed in light of the opinions expressed on this thread. Should the people of Australia be more or less cynical of their government as a result?
5000 words or less – unless you are prepared to do a full examination of all the points, in which case look to making it 262 pages long and pick up your PhD on the way out.
Steve,
Let’s do a “Compare and Contrast” with a previous ALP Govt. PM Hawke held a National Economic Summit ar Parlt House early in his first term, with a (relatively) small number of invited business, union and govt participants.
Did this set the scene for a “coporatist model” running as a golden thread through the Hawke years? Did it come up with proosals unwelcome to the Govt? If so, what then happened?
Dit it show Mr Hawke (as Nabakov claims on the “Accent, affectation…” thread) “a true collegiate leader of probably the most effective Australian Government ever” ??
Jacques: too shay !!
Ambi #8, I discussed the National Economic Summit on p.158 of my Ph.D. thesis.
Other than in the Forward, reference to the ideas from local summits and other mini-summits seems to be absent. I don’t normally attend conferences, but my sense of the take home value of the Illawarra Ideas Summit that there were local people with useful and valuable ideas, and that we could learn from experience to improve the process. Maybe the recommendations should be presented to the Parliament, not the Government as such, but such a presumption of democracy may be too much of a stretch.
For some comments on the response to the Governance Chapter see http://foi-privacy.blogspot.com/search?q=2020+vision+suffers+from+near-sightedness
Well the nine ideas that did come out of it seem to be worthwhile. I am wondering on what basis the claim is made that they “seem almost all to be things they were going to do anyway”?
If we gain nine useful ideas that are actually implemented that would otherwise not have been considered then it was a useful exercise.
I’m with Paul Norton on this. The point surely of the 2020 was not so much if there was a good idea or 9 or 900 but how processes to work with people that elicit ideas can be put into practice. I can’t believe that we all fall for the idea (not LP’ers of course) that the thing that will save us (or make things better) are the ideas rather than the processes. Any two bit know it all can have a great idea (just ask me- I’ve got hundreds), but until we know how to work together to identify that it is a good idea, and how we then make it happen, then it is basically useless.
We live at an interesting interscetion of time where command and control going (gone) mad government meets information rich citizens wanting to have a say in the decisions that affect their lives. Where will it all end up?
Why should this understandably belated response to the 2020 summit blow Rudd’s credibility out of the water? What’s all this stuff about it being a typically “hollow man” response? If I understand Andrew Reynolds correctly we should read these LP comments as merely projections of our own expectations, as were the criticisms of the 2020 summit at the time of its assembly.
Political cynicism has been rampant in Australia this past decade, and I’m not talking about the perennial national pride in recognising bullshit, particularly when efforts are made to disguise the smell. And most of that cynicism, perhaps understandably came from the left. It’s become an entrenched state of mind. That needs to change if we are going to grow up into the 21st century with a healthy democracy.
Rudd’s 2007 “me too” tactic worked and brought about a new government which had sufficiently differentiated itself on matters of principle to lead to a genuine renewal of our body politic. I think the calling of the 2020 Summit was no exercise in political cynicism, but a genuine attempt to encourage some new thinking for the country. It doesn’t follow that because so few ideas were implemented by government the rest are now cremated and their ashes interred, rather they are now scattered to the winds for us follow. Was there ever a promise that all, most or any ideas floated at the summit would become Labour government policy within a year? How realistic would that have been? Think of the cynical response that sort of commitment would elicit.
As for the Republic – what was new about that? Most of the summiteers, like most on the Left, were long committed to that. I imagine that Rudd is holding the Republic card close to his chest and he will play it, and play it skilfully, when the time is ripe/right….? I think we’ll have it long before 2020.
Cost aside do ideas die once they float into the national psyche just because they aren’t immediately government funded? Reminds me of the sort of petty pouting in the arts community now that funding features so strongly in their world.
Where do I go to volunteer for the Golden Oldies? Believe me, the current generation of young parents will bless the new children’s channel and this government. As will the future recipients of bionic eyes world wide.
And if your favourite hobby horse didn’t get government funding what’s wrong with your mounting it and pushing its cause?
“The point surely of the 2020 was not so much if there was a good idea or 9 or 900 but how processes to work with people that elicit ideas can be put into practice.”
The point ….. of the 2020 was ……. how processes to work with people that elicit ideas can be put into practice?????
OK. So since no new ideas were elicited, it was a hollow failure?
Colour me surprised.
Well said, Patricia. The combination of knee-jerk cynisism and what’s this government ever done for us whingeing is well…tiresome.
crikey, Paul Norton. My cup runneth over
“Rudd’s 2007 “me too” tactic worked and brought about a new government which had sufficiently differentiated itself on matters of principle to lead to a genuine renewal of our body politic.”
Matters of principle like what exactly? Workchoices? Excision of offshore islands? The republic? Paid parental leave? Increased pensions?
Is there anything you can point to other than hollow symbolic gestures?
I think the problem is that to you, matters of principle are by their very definition, ‘hollow symbolic gestures’, PeterTB.
But please correct me if I’m wrong.
Rudd’s CPRS: 5% reduction by 2020. That’s aiming low.
Rud’s 2020 summit: 1% take up by god knows when. That’s aiming even lower.
(1%? 900 suggestions, 9 adopted.)
Peter TB, yes a bit of a hollow failure, but not because of the ideas (whether they be good, bad or indifferent) but the process. Bringing people together to discuss things in something like the 2020 seemed to me to be a good thing, of course there was cynicism, but changing the way that government and the people can talk to each other should be regarded as a good thing. However it appears that the 2020 as a way of bringing people together to talk about things (especially in regard to what we do next) has been overlooked as the media (and many Australians presumably) obsess about the ideas. If all they wanted was ideas why didn’t they just give us an email address?
It seems they thought the idea of bringing people together was a good idea, and then realised that to take it all seriously ,it meant that they might have to do things differently, and beat a strategic retreat. Now the government, abetted by a media obsessed with things rather than proceses (how does one find a good angle to report on a process?) focus on the the ideas, allowing them to let the processes of governments and people working toghether more democratically slide soundlessly into the background. Command and control achieved, but with the illusion of “doing things differently”
Steve@2 – did you choose not to participate? Or were you never invited?
Where is the very fast train linking Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra (phase 1) then Brisbane (Phase 2) and Adelaide (Phase 3)?
They are spending 75% of the 42b stimulus package on handouts (more plasma teles, or it is just banked) and about 25% on small scale infrastructure.
Where is the vision and the leadership to transition to a vibrant jobs rich low carbon economy?
“Where is the vision and the leadership to transition to a vibrant jobs rich low carbon economy?” Washington, Beijing, Berlin, Copenhagen, just about anywhere
except here. Read guy pearse on how even the energy intensive industries have plans well in place for bailing from australia when the low carbon flag finally f=g
Barry Owen Jones and Ian Lowe, commission of the future, 1980′s, scuttled by Hawke, Walsh, and Button?
Speaking about 1984, as now ” An obstacle to tackling climate change was vested interests such as the coal industry and unions, Dr Jones said.
Danny,
so much time has been wasted. Early 1960s: CSIRO had a good (for its time), crude, solar hot water set-up for domestic use. When the “oil shock” circa 1974 hit, there was a flurry of interest in non-petroleum power, domestic energy savings, changes in industry & transport, use of solar energy. But Rex Connor was Minister for Minerals & Energy and he was a Coal Man (they said).
Late 1970s, the Victorian SECV (State Electricity) started promoting electricity-saving appliances, etc. Yes: to LOWER domestic consumption.
Many small initiatives, over the years. But piecemeal, slow, not part of a national plan. Sad. The Frog in the Saucepan.
Froggy: yes, well according to the Paul Norton’s PhD thesis (linked @10) ( P: what purpose does it serve to make your work so hard to cut and paste from, it’s a dis-incentive to citation?)
Sounds right to me. I pity Jonesy having to deal with those troglodytes. The irony is, his ultra-safe seat was given to chief troglodette Gillard.
I’m with Paul Norton on this. The point surely of the 2020 was not so much if there was a good idea or 9 or 900 but how processes to work with people that elicit ideas can be put into practice.
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Indeed and the Jabberfest of the Chosen Kilo illustrates well that great ideas always come out of huge meetings of heaps of people.
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If those ideas are in furtherance of clearing a lot of forest that is. Does the production of mountains of reports and white papers and minutes etc reduce carbon?
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