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68 responses to “Bartlett to run for Brisbane”

  1. Ambigulous

    Good luck, Andrew Bartlett!

  2. Fran Barlow

    Yes, FWIW I wish him well too … Mind you, his personal prospects seem pretty poor in this eat. It’s clear that Arch Bevis is going to poll above Bartlett even if the ALP vote collapses and you can’t imagine many Gambaro voters giving Bartlett their second preference, even if he did finish up ahead of her. Most would prefer the ALP to the Greens because even if the Green got up it would only be to assist an overall ALP government to the left.

  3. Nickws

    At any rate, I’ll now be thinking about where to direct my first preference.

    Is there such a thing as a 1st preference? I thought it was primary vote, 2nd preference, 3rd preference, etc.

  4. wpd

    he’s unlikely to ever sit on the front bench again

    Probably the case and a parliamentary secretary seems unlikely also. Very much in Kim’s camp and his union background probably hasn’t helped. But he’s been a good local member and will be hard to displace. No scandals in his cupboard, one would think.

  5. Nickws

    Most would prefer the ALP to the Greens because even if the Green got up it would only be to assist an overall ALP government to the left.

    Do you know any conservative greeny haters, Fran?

    Trust me, they don’t hate the Greens because they’ve gamed out the effect that that party winning a seat will have on influencing the ALP.

  6. Mark

    I would very much think not, wpd. Pretty nice guy, actually.

  7. Mark

    @5 – Nickws, in the state by-election for Brisbane Central in 2006, the Libs didn’t run a candidate and The Greens hoped to pick up a lot of their vote, and campaigned accordingly. In actual fact, most of the Liberal voters stayed at home – the turnout was woeful.

    It may well be that there are some small l Liberal voters about who’d give The Greens a second preference, but I think a lot of Liberal voters really don’t like The Greens much. And most of this is likely to be irrelevant, anyway, as the Liberals will almost certainly outpoll Bartlett.

    Bartlett will poll better than The Greens did last time, but his preferences will almost certainly be distributed before the Libs’, and will elect Bevis.

  8. Mark

    I think it’s important to reinforce the point that Brisbane is *not* akin to some inner Sydney and Melbourne seats where The Greens poll quite well. Their primary in the 2007 election was only 11.8%.

    http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/guide/bris.htm

  9. Mark

    Note also that the Libs got just under 40% in 2007. If there’s either a local swing or a national swing working against them, I’d nevertheless be very surprised indeed if their vote dropped lower than 35%, and that’d be about the absolute floor, I suspect, which would still be enough to come second.

  10. Liam

    Also even in the inner city Sydney and Melbourne seats readers might be likely to compare Brisbane to there’s a relative hostility I’ve experienced amongst Greens activists to “celebrity” or parachuted candidates. They place a great premium on local cachet and depth of local identification in opposition to experienced Parties, and it works.
    I like Bartlett but there’s no way you could portray him as a political outsider.

  11. Anna Winter

    When I thought he was running for the Senate again I was very happy. It’s a brave move running for a marginal seat, but I would have preferred to see him actually win again.

  12. Ben Raue

    Hey Liam,

    You’re right about a resistance to parachuted candidates, but I would argue Bartlett won’t be considered a parachuted candidate. He’s a former MP who has lived in the seat for a long time (he ran there in 1996) whose political agenda in Parliament was very close to Greens policies. I think you’d find most Greens activists in inner-city Brisbane either have supported Bartlett in the past or at least had sympathy for his politics. Indeed, plenty of Greens were considering supporting Bartlett in 2007 before the Greens preselected Larissa.

    Also there’s a big difference in terms of a “celebrity” candidate between a local progressive politician from another party and someone like Peter Garrett or Ian Thorpe (who people outside the Greens have suggested to me for the seat of Sydney with a straight face).

  13. Liam

    whose political agenda in Parliament was very close to Greens policies

    HEH.
    You might not remember, but I certainly do.

  14. Mark

    @10, Liam – The Greens candidate last time ran on almost nothing else but being a local (which is kinda odd, because so is Bevis) and had a sort of anti-political theme on – Bevis has been there for ages, he’s a politician, etc. It was almost contentless stuff – she wasn’t very impressive. I don’t know anything about the dynamics of the local Greens branch, but I doubt this will be perceived as an imposition.

    One of the other differences with Sydney and Melbs is the lack of local councils where Greens activists can gain experience and build a local profile, and local branches.

    I think one of the silliest things The Greens have ever done in Qld was to fail to negotiate pr for Brisbane City Council elections, preferring to go for preferences from state Labor for the doomed ALP defector Ronan Lee, who incidentally I am glad to see is *not* The Greens’ candidate for the Senate.

    Larissa will be fine, and I suspect that the absence of Bartlett on the Senate ticket represents exactly how much emotion and manoeuvring has gone in to that particular gig for the last few years. Having said that, I agree with Anna @12. I’d like to see him elected to the Senate again, where he would almost certainly win, and where his experience and community connections would give us more value than we’ll get from a newbie. In the extremely unlikely event that he wins Brisbane, there’s not much a Greens lower house MP can actually do, unless there’s a hung parliament – also pretty unlikely.

    But I do think there’ll be significant public benefit from Andrew’s advocacy on a range of issues – many of which are local issues with a broader significance which he understands well.

  15. Mark

    Crossed with Ben @ 13 – I think he’s probably right about the sentiments of Greens activists. And I’d also point out that Bartlett is far more of a local than bloody Teresa Gambaro.

  16. Lefty E

    Yeah, good on him for going lower house – and if he’s doing that in SEQ, then the seat of Brisbane was the obvious choice – pretty sure it got the highest green vote in the state in 07.

    I suspect he might be working up some credit to go for the Senate in 2013 – and fair enough too. Then he wont be parachuting.

    Only a matter of time till there’s a QLD Greens senator.

  17. Mark

    @16 –

    Brisbane was the obvious choice – pretty sure it got the highest green vote in the state in 07.

    Yep, Lefty E, but as I noted above it was just 11.8% – the only Queensland seat where The Greens cracked more than 10% in 07, if I remember correctly – it’s not a strong base to build on.

    You may be right about a Senate run next time around – picking up a bit of cred in the meantime. I hope so!

  18. Lefty E

    For sure Mark, I doubt anyone in the QLD Greens would be seriously thinking he’ll win. But dont be surprised to see him double the vote.

    Who know, the Senate onflow from his personal following might get the Green Senator elected in 2010. Lors knows it gone close enough for the QLD Greens in the last two digs. Then he’d have an excellent case to go pole position in 2013.

  19. Mark

    Makes sense, Lefty E.

  20. Darryl Rosin

    “I think one of the silliest things The Greens have ever done in Qld was to fail to negotiate pr for Brisbane City Council elections, preferring to go for preferences from state Labor for the doomed ALP defector Ronan Lee, who incidentally I am glad to see is *not* The Greens’ candidate for the Senate.”

    You might very well say that. I couldn’t possibly comment.

    d

  21. Mark

    Hehe. Just been revisiting FU and the House of Cards trilogy on dvd as it happens!

  22. danny

    Mark: Lefty @16 ‘the highest green vote in the state in 07′ might have been referring to the Brisbane Central (state) by-election when Pete petered off, catching the Libs with their candidate pants down (their usual bloke was already standing against Kev in Griffith, Fed 07), as you say @7: Annie B got to 42.15% 2pp, which would be far and away ‘the highest green vote in the state in 07′ – or any other time.

    Agreed, @7, ‘Bartlett will poll better than The Greens did last time, but his preferences will almost certainly be distributed before the Libs’, and will elect Bevis’, as always.

    When you say (BrisCentral07 )’the lib voters stayed at home- the turnout was woeful.’ you ain’t just whsitlin’ dixie – only 67% of the roll was counted. Given the antipathy within the branch at G.G.’s forced ‘preselection as well as the party’s decision to force them under threat of legal action to hand over $53,000 they had raised.’, if the Greens could have talked sense into the tories, Brisbane Central should have been a Fremantle result.

    Is there a chance the Qld tories will ever learn the lesson of Fremantle, that in labor seats where there is a high green vote, the tories will never get in, because of the watermelon green preferences, and the only way to dislodge labor will be via a Fremantle strategy, and just not stand a tory candidate? They would have had Fraser on toast if it was just Larissa vs him.

    What would happen if Ms Gambaro threw in the towel, and announced they were looking for a Fremantle result? Andrew’s a known quantity, and won’t terrify Tory voters. Labor going dirty on Andrew would be a bad look, I reckon it’d be dead set interesting.

  23. Mark

    Danny, I’m sure Lefty E knew what he meant! The thing with The Greens’ good vote in just three state electorates is that it’s highly concentrated in quite small pockets, which get swamped in the bigger federal electorates. It’s a real problem for them, and hopefully one that Andrew Bartlett will assist in rectifying. It’s another reason why it’s a pity that he’s not running for the Senate. He has connections with a lot of communities outside The Greens’ usual catchments, as it were.

  24. Lefty E

    Yes, I meant best Fed result in QLD.

    Interesting scenario Danny – who knows? If the Libs dont stand Bevis will be in real fight.

    Outside chance (but improving): the Libs suck SO BAD by this time next year their vote completely collapses, come third, and Bartlett squeaks over the line. :)

  25. Mark

    The Libs really don’t have any incentive not to stand – it would be hard to justify tactically, because Bevis would probably still win. And again, you have to remember that if it didn’t work as a strategy in the smaller and more inner city area covered by Brisbane Central, it would have even less chance in the larger and more suburban federal division of Brisbane. Not to mention the fact that Anne Boccabella in large part ran against Labor’s Grace Grace from the right (small business, anti-union rhetoric) and that still didn’t hoover up Lib support. I know Bartlett wouldn’t take that tack.

    Additionally, it’s very dangerous for the majors not to contest seats in general elections rather than by-elections, because it means their overall national vote is lower, which in a close contest, is important in the legitimacy stakes.

    And, anyway, I think the Libs probably think they’re in with a chance. Gambaro wouldn’t be regarded as just a flag flyer or a sacrifical lamb.

    It comes back to what Antony was saying. It’s next to impossible for a minor party candidate to win a seat marginal between the two majors. It is the best bet federally in Queensland, because there are no safe Labor seats with any sort of significant Greens base. In a lot of them, The Greens are lucky to top 5% in a good year.

    I think it’s much more likely to be a long term play. The Greens are not strong in Queensland – for a variety of reasons – some structural (ie BCC, no upper house) but some not structural. They really need to be thinking creatively about party building over the longer term, not chasing non-achievable short term wins.

  26. Bernice

    Given there were tweets about this last night, LP posted it – what 5 hours ago? can someone explain why the ABC Just In newspage has just posted this?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737891.htm?section=justin

    Obviously Just In does not mean up to date.

  27. daggett

    I have been meaning for some time to announce that I will be standing as a candidate for the seat of Brisbane myself. I will probably stand as an Independent, bu there’s an outside chance I will stand for the New Australia Party if they want me to.

    The reason I have stood as an under-resourced and relatively unknown candidate in two elections (Brisbane City Council and state elections) so far, is that simply no-one elae in this region has stood for election on the kind of policies which are likely to make a real difference and which are also (mostly) likely to be popular.

    I had tried since 2003, when I was briefly a member of the ACT Greens, to get the Greens to stand on decent policies, other than motherehood policies, but with no luck.

    My latest of many attempts was when I approached Bob Brown and Ronan Lee after the Greens Press conference on 22 March, the day before Bligh announced her blitzkrieg elections, to put to him, amongst other ideas, that they campaign against privatisation.

    Bob Brown responded by telling me that if they did so, they would be ignored by the newsmedia.

    As it turned out the Greens were largely ingnored anyway.

    It seems to me that if they had campaigned on that one issue, then Bligh could not possibly have gotten away, to the extent she has with privatisation.

    Either she would have had to have given a firm and explicit commitment against privatisation or risk losing he election. If the LNP also failed to come out against privatisation, then the Greens would have performed considerably better, and maybe Ronan Lee and Larisa Waters would be sitting members of the Queensland Parliamement today.

    But, instead they through that chance away amd remained completely silent on privatisation, leaving me as the one candidate throughout all Queensland, who tried to campaign against privatisation.

    Anyway, I intend to see that a proper debate is held between all the candidates, unlike that inadeaquate “Meet The Canididates” night which allowed Andrew Fraser to avoid having to defend privatisation.

    I also intend to get all the candidates for Brisbane engage in online discussions between now and election time.

  28. Ambigulous

    Dear Mr daggett,

    Will you be proposing a world-wide ban on nano-thermite? Including a strong UN sanctions regime?

    Come to think of it, is Queemsland a signatory to the NNPT (Nano-thermite Nonproliferation Treaty)?

    yours democratically,
    Ambigulous

  29. David Irving (no relation)

    That’s mischeivous, Ambigulous.

    I’m sure you’d rather speculations of a certain type sere confined to their proper thread.

  30. Ambigulous

    Indeed, DI(nr).

    But where daggett wanders, we follow.
    We dog the daggett’s steps. Dagg, dagg, dagg!!!

  31. daggett

    The link in my previous post was wrong. My apologies. The link to pages about my election campaign is candobetter.org/QldElections.

    Some of the policies I tend to put — and these are only being retrieved from my mind as I type. I haven’t formalised them yet — are:

    Moneteary reform. The Government, and not private banks, to create all currency necessary for the exchange of goods and services. For more information, see Online Opinion article “Money from nothing: supplying money should be a public service” and related forum discussion.

    A comprehensive national no-fault insurance policy against injuries. The Whitlam Government attempted to implement this but lost office before it was implemented. It would be funded from general revenues ans would guarantee that, anyone who was disabled, would be supported for life on an adequate income. This would not prevent people from litigating for additional compensation where their injuries were the result of gross negligience or malice.

    End the superannuation racket. Reverse the Hawke/Keating privatisation of retierment income that was modeled on the Chilean junta’s privatisation of retirement income in the 1970′s.

    Re-nationalise Telstra. The privatisation of Telstra was legislated in 2005 against the wishes of 70% of the Australian public. In the 2004 elections the coalition dodged the issue during the election. As one example, the then Telecommunications Minister Helen Coonan once claimed on Radio Noational that the 2004 elections were not a referendum on privatisation.

    Comprehensively wind back the neo-liberal ‘free market’ Friedmanite counter-revolution. This counter-revolution, arguably, began even in the late years of the Whitlam Government. The first step should be the shredding of Professor Fred Hilmer’s National Competition Policy.

    Adoption of open software standards. Comprehensively adopt open source software, including the Linux (or OpenBSD, etc.) operating system, throughout all Government departments and agencies. Stop wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on inferior, insecure and buggy Microsoft products.

    No “commercial in confidence”: clauses in Government contracts. Except in exceedingly rare cases, all contracts entered into between the Government and the private sector must be available for scrutiny by the public.

    Comprehensive freedom of information laws. At least the order of 90% of information held by Governments should be accessible in minutes, at most, to anyone with internet connections (and within days, at most, to those without). The exception to this would be information that invades the reasonable privacy of other citizens.

    Rebuild Australia’s manufacturing base. Adopt protectionism and whatever other means are necessary to keep skills and jobs in this country, rather than allow them to continue to be exported to slave wage economies.

    Government to provide secure well-paid and socially useful employment to all. Adoption of University of Newcastle CoFFEE program, fully costed at a maximum of $9billion per year.

    Guarantees of free expression on the Internet. Bury Mandatory Internet Filtering (curiously largely brought onto the national agenda, behind the scenes, by a current Greens candidate, Clive Hamilton, in spite of the Parliamentary Greens’ current active opposition to it). Introduce legislative guarantees for freedom on Internet 2.

    End land speculation scam. Governments to take urgent action to reverse impoverishment of recent years of many Australians, including pensioners, low wage earners and social welfare recipients, often at the hands of ruthless, unconscionable landlords.

    Population stability. End high immigration program now. Government goal to be immigration on an approximately one-in-one-out basis. Only resume immigration, aimed at increasing our population, if and when it is shown that further population growth won’t destroy our natural habitat and threaten, as an example, South East Queensland’s Koala, with extinction, and if and when adequate infrastracture can be built without the claimed necessity of selling off billions of dollars in publicly owned assets.

    Urgent action to fix environmet. This is to include the systematic adoption of Peter Andrews’ Natural Sequence Farming proposals. End the private water market scam that is destroying the Murray Darling basin.

    There are many more policies I intend to add. I hope to hear soon from Andrew Bartlett that, this time, for a change, the Greens will also be putting such policies to the Australian electorate.

  32. Mark

    @29 – I’m with David. Let’s keep this thread on topic, please.

  33. FDB

    “Moneteary reform. The Government, and not private banks, to create all currency necessary for the exchange of goods and services. For more information, see Online Opinion article “Money from nothing: supplying money should be a public service” and related forum discussion.”

    :::FRACTIONAL RESERVE FORUM DISCUSSION ALERT:::

    :::PAGING AGENT TERWILLEGER:::

  34. FDB

    Entschuldigen Sie bitte, Herr Bahnisch.

    Nun ist alles in ordnung.

  35. Chastened 'r' Us

    Sorry Mark,
    Ambigulous

    Most impressive, that Deutsch, FDB. Are you celebrating the Fall of the Wall?

  36. Scheisse spricht der Mund und ich lächle dahinter

    I have come over a bit misty actually. Close family were living in West Germany through the late 80s – a good time to be an idealistic young thing.

  37. Ambigulous

    That Fall was one of the very best. At the fulcrum of the Cold War, in the heart of WW2 darkness, Hitlerstod und so weiter; in the heart of Cold War blood and steel; spies, bomnbers, missiles, threats, feints….

    and out of that, the beautiful flower of street protests spilling out of churches {would you like to repeat your contemtuous question “How many divisions does the Pope have?” Mr Josef Djugashvili?)

    the flower of solidarity springing up in cold, dark soil

    the seizing of the hour and the day

    no need to demolish the wall immediately, simply walk through the gates; the guards will not shoot; they whose job had been to shoot and hunt down for decades….

    IMO “misty” is an inadequte response, FDB: for crying out loud, cry freedom and cry it in your music

    alles besten, mein Freund!

    *************

    sorry, Mark

  38. daggett

    Another plank of my platform will be to ditche the so-called “three strikes and you’re out” laws which may require ISPs to disconnect any usere deemed guilty three times of having downloaded supposedly illegal copyrighted material.

    These are now being negotiated secretly behind our back by the Federaal Government according to Internet User advocate Peter Coronios (as reported just now on the ABC’s The World Today.)

    These and all other laws, adopted in recent years, which criminalise people for copying intellectual property should be scrapped.

    James Sinnamon

    Brisbane Independent candidate for
    truth, democracy and economic justice,
    Australian Federal elections, 2010

    If providers of intellectual property then find themselves unable to earn a living, then we need to come up with other, most likely, publicly-funded business models that will properly remunerated creaters of Intellectual Property.

    An excellent resource about this is the trannscript of the Background Briefing Program “Internet Piracy” of Sunday 1 November.

  39. Andrew Reynolds

    Ach, schiße FDB. Daggett ist ein großer Vogel wie GMB?

  40. daggett

    Whopps!

    Clearly ‘daggett’s’ signature was pasted into the wrong part of his previous post. It should have been pasted in thus:

    James Sinnamon

    Brisbane Independent candidate for
    truth, democracy and economic justice,
    Australian Federal elections, 2010

  41. Graf Fyodor von Bazarov und zu Lolzberg

    :::FRACTIONAL RESERVE FORUM DISCUSSION ALERT:::

    Düde, ich weiß!

    As you know, I get all misty over “moneteary” economics, aber Herr Bahnisch hat gesprochen.

  42. FDB

    [Pssst! Daggett!]

    See #32 above.

  43. FDB

    See you at the open forum then Sideshow?

  44. David Irving (no relation)

    Now look what you’ve done, Ambigulous! I hope you’re proud of yourself. /snit

  45. Ambigulous

    ‘umblest apologies Mister Irving, your Lordship; won’t ‘appen agen, {sniff}

  46. Cliff

    I have a question… I’m still enrolled in Ryan, yet, being in Canada, I have no fixed abode anywhere in Australia. My mail goes to my dad, but I haven’t lived in Page for 7 years. So does that mean I can register anywhere? ;) Wouldn’t mind casting a vote for Bartlett… I’m sure I could convince the AEC that if I ever move back I’ll get a place in the City, right?

  47. AdamTucker

    This is great news …

  48. Razor

    Brilliant news – the Democrats were on the top of my list for electoral anihilation. Jobs done. The Greens are next and it is wonderful to know somebody with experience is stepping up to the plate. Carry on.

  49. danny

    The NSW Government has adopted a gross feed-in tariff system for solar energy ..households with solar panels can expect to receive about $1,500 a year for the electricity they generate.

    I’d imagine Andrew and other Greens will be using their candidature to be drawing lots of attention to this, and making the labor party, via the rest of their state government examplars, look very backwards on the green economy.

    So much so they will have to step up too.

  50. Helen

    Bernice @26 – Justin’s their work experience kid.

  51. daggett

    I presume FDB is meaning to imply that my posts (@ 27, 31 and 38) are off-topic.

    FDB, why is it off-topic for another candidate standing for the seat of Brisbane to try to find out where Andrew Bartlett and the Greens on what policies they intend to stand for?

    Another issue I will be standing for is Citizens Initiated Referenda (see http://www.cir-australia.net) and, again, I would be interested to know the Greens stance on this issue. As almost no politicians and no Greens responded at all to a survey by CIR Australia, I fear the answer will be that they oppose the right of citizens to initiate referenda.

    We also need constitutional guarantees for citizens to be able to remove politicians who have blatantly betrayed the trust of the people who elected them as is the case of the Queensland Bligh Labor Government at the moment, largely as a result of its fire sale plans, opposed by at least 84% of the public.

    It should be possible if, say 5% of voters sign a petition to recall an elected representative fora new election to be called.

    On a statewide basis, the threshold should be lower, say 3% to force the calling of a new election.

  52. daggett

    The secomd sentence in my previous post should have read:

    FDB, why is it off-topic for another candidate standing for the seat of Brisbane to try to find out what policies Andrew Bartlett and the Greens intend to stand for?

  53. Nick

    “It should be possible if, say 5% of voters sign a petition to recall an elected representative fora new election to be called.

    On a statewide basis, the threshold should be lower, say 3% to force the calling of a new election.”

    daggett, since it goes without saying at least 3-5% of voters strongly did not want so-and-so elected in the first place, wouldn’t the only conceivable outcome of your policy be a new election called after every single election, ad infinitum.

  54. daggett

    Nick,

    I accept that there needs to be some threshold of effort that would prevent mischievous and disruptive opponents of the Government from forcing new elections all the time. I would suggest that for one seat the requirment of requiring roughly 1500 signatures or (very roughly) 76,000 statewide would be a that threshold.

    I think it would be very hard to find 1500, even amongst people who voted against their local member, who woud be prepared to sign a petition, and a suffiecient number of people prepared to make the effort to collect the signatures, if there was not very good reason for doing so (and currently there is not just a very good reason for callng for new elections in Queensland, but I, believe, a necessity). The same would apply to the necessary effort to collect 72,000 signatures statewide (or 96,000 if it were to make it 4%).

    If it were possible to do that there is no way that Fraser or Bligh would have even contemplated their fire sale at all, let alone, so soon after their re-election. There is no way that all but two members of the Parliamentary Labor Cauus would have voted in caucus, let along on the floor of Parliament for a policy that was both against the Labor Party’s own platform as well as Queensland public opinion and the public interest.

    In the unlikely event that this led to a large number of new elections with no changed outcome, then the required number of signatures could be made higher. Such a proposal to raise or lower the threshold, could even be put to a citizens initiated referendum.

  55. furious balancing

    “FDB, why is it off-topic for another candidate standing for the seat of Brisbane to try to find out what policies Andrew Bartlett and the Greens intend to stand for?”

    You didn’t, and on top of that Andrew Bartlett is not participating in this thread to answer such questions. If you plan to use this blog to electioneer for the next however long, please say so now, and I’ll remove this site from my bookmarks.

  56. Ambigulous

    furious

    the evidence “from another place” suggests that Mr daggett may be ‘in for the long haul’.

    Personally, I think the candidature of a former Senator and thoughtful contributor to LP is of more interest.

    I note that the idea of Citizen Initiated Referenda was a key plank of the old “League of Rights” (in the 1960s? 1970s?). I think they set up “front” organisations too: Citizen’s Electoral…{something}.

    The League of Rights was a tiny anti-semitic grouping which contributed vitriol and hate to Australian politics, albeit from the fringes. I trust Mr daggett is not an adherent or a political descendant of those shockers.

    Oswald Moseley was similar.

  57. daggett

    furious balancing,

    I think it is unlikely that Andrew Bartlett is not reading this forum or at least not now aware of its content. I think the questions are reasonable, and he could choose to answer or not answer as many of my questions as he wishes.

    If you had carefully read my posts, you would know that they were not just electioneering on my own behalf. They were a genuine attempt to get a candidate standing for a party that many see as the most obvious alternative to the two party system to adopt policies that are both in the public interest and which would help him get elected.

    If Andrew Bartlett was to adopt the most important policies I intend to stand for, I would gladly withdraw my own nomination (or more, correctly my own stated intention to nominate) and campaign on his behalf in the forthcoming national elections.

    In any case, where else is an appropriate place to discuss what policies a given candidate will stand upon than on a forum to discuss his candidacy?

  58. FDB

    “FDB, why is it off-topic for another candidate standing for the seat of Brisbane to try to find out what policies Andrew Bartlett and the Greens intend to stand for?”

    Methodology fail. Even if here was the right place – and you never know, Andrew might pop in – you are clearly just spruiking your own agenda.

    The way to find answers to questions might involve asking those questions of those whose answers you would have to them.

  59. daggett

    That’s most logical, Ambigulous.

    Because an anti-semetic organisation once had CIR’s on it’s platform, CIR’s are inherently a bad idea.

    Presumably Ambigulous would also be against the standardisation of German manufacturing standards, legislated by Hitler, that remain in place to this very day.

  60. Ambigulous

    Mark

    Has Andrew Bartlett been hitting the airwaves in the last few days? Press coverage?

  61. Paul Norton

    Haven’t had the chance to say so yet, but what Ambigulous said at #1 and what Anna said at #11.

    Now back to the funny money…

  62. Eric Sykes

    the dagsterman runs for public office (again…

    James Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then ‘whoop’) Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat (laughs) (squeaker) Gilbert (sings) ‘We’ll keep a welcome in the’ (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) ‘Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head’ Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat (sings) ‘Don’t Sleep In The Subway’ Barton Mainwaring (hoot, ‘whoop’) Smith Sinnamon….

    Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party (Independent)

  63. Mark

    @60 – Ambi, not that I’ve noticed. But I’ve been looking after a friend who’s just out of hospital, so not paying much attention!

  64. Ronan hater

    @20…Darryl…you’re too funny mate. Sounds like Ronan doesn’t have too many friends left in the Greens. Good.

  65. Ambigulous

    Cheers Mark,

    I hope your friend is doing well.

  66. Mark

    Thanks, Ambi – greatly improved!

  67. daggett

    The “other place” referred to above by Ambigulous above, is the long-running debate on the 9/11 controversy (which currently faces near total censorship in the Main Stream Media).

    The forum has currently 1313 entries. (It has been, in my view, needlessly bloated with trivia as well as the transparent efforts of others to simply overwhelm the informative content with spam. Still I have tried to help people navigate past the spam, by providing links to what I consider useful posts (obviously includint my own and those who agree with me) and to posts which I am arguing against.)

    In January and February this year, there was a brief discussion on 9/11 on Andrew Bartlett’s own blog, and for allowing this topic to be discussed, Andrew Bartlett should be commended.

    Unlike on LP, the discussion was calm, civil and relatively brief.

    I hope, as a result, Andrew Bartlett will begin to take a good look at 9/11 which remains the principle jusrtification for the war in Afganistan and the rmoval of guarantees of democratic freedoms in recent years.

    Andrew Bartlett, as the Greens candidate for Brisbane, you would be more than welcome to attend the meeting featuring Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to be held in Brisbane at the Clayfield Bowls club next Thursday 19 November from 7 PM.

  68. David Irving (no relation)

    Don’t get too bent out of shape, daggett. They’re just taking the piss.